Thread: A TD social hallucinogenic experiment

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Did you meet the lizard people who claimed to be the lords of the universe ?

They're always saying that....they're really only the lords of the outer dark...

Thegent may have met the Doorman at the mouth of the Rabbit Hole...Nasty trip, that...

Originally Posted by Latindancer

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Did you meet the lizard people who claimed to be the lords of the universe ?

They're always saying that....they're really only the lords of the outer dark...

Yes, and we sat and had tea.

Though they weren't claiming to be lords of the universe, they just lived outside what we see as 'space and time'.

Space and time are simply constructs of gravity.

Get to the point, Earl, did you drink piss with them?

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I think the medical explanation......

Human science is self limiting since it relies on finite 'normal' sensory perception.

The bottom line is we can't really be sure until we actually go there and see for ourselves.

Sadly modern science and consumerist culture doesn't make many allowances for the spiritual explorations.
They prefer you take your aspirin/cancer medicine/Librium, and make the payments of your new 4dr Vigo.

People who stray from that model are considered insane.

Are you and Jeff sharing trees now?

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Are you and Jeff sharing trees now?

Nope, but I am fixing to buy a hammock and go live with the trees in northern California for a spell.

Doc Dapper, what do I need to do to come down, after all these years?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Human science is self limiting since it relies on finite 'normal' sensory perception.

The bottom line is we can't really be sure until we actually go there and see for ourselves.

Science is not limited by sensory perception.

If it were then we would not have proven theories of the space-time continuum model of the universe and proven theories of particle physics.

Both of these realms are far outside the grasp of human senses or even common sense understanding yet we know them to be true by sober scientific experiment.

You claim that you can 'explore' these realms when you are on a 'trip' but you only know about these realms because they have been proven by science already and you read about them in books and magazines while you were not on a trip and then imagined them when you were on a trip. But without the science to start with you would not have been able to imagine them when tripping because you would never have read about their reality in books and magazines.

You are not 'sure' because you 'went there on trip' (does that idea sound familiar - yes it does because that is what religious people say to 'know' there is a god!). You are sure because you read it in a magazine and you then imagined it on a trip.

Originally Posted by Looper

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Human science is self limiting since it relies on finite 'normal' sensory perception.

The bottom line is we can't really be sure until we actually go there and see for ourselves.

Science is not limited by sensory perception.

If it were then we would not have proven theories of the space-time continuum model of the universe and proven theories of particle physics.

Both of these realms are far outside the grasp of human senses or even common sense understanding yet we know them to be true by sober scientific experiment.

You claim that you can 'explore' these realms when you are on a 'trip' but you only know about these realms because they have been proven by science already and you read about them in books and magazines while you were not on a trip and then imagined them when you were on a trip. But without the science to start with you would not have been able to imagine them when tripping because you would never have read about their reality in books and magazines.

You are not 'sure' because you 'went there on trip' (does that idea sound familiar - yes it does because that is what religious people say to 'know' there is a god!). You are sure because you read it in a magazine and you then imagined it on a trip.

So it's seems you are saying, in a rather circuitous manner, that spirit doesn't exist because it has yet to be measured by earthly science...

That be fine...whatever floats your canoe...
Blind faith in something is preferable for some, rather than the somewhat nebulous and sometimes frightening exploration of the truly unknown.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

So it's seems you are saying, in a rather circuitous manner, that spirit doesn't exist because it has yet to be measured by earthly science...

What do you mean by 'human spirit'?

Human conciousness is an emergent property of the human brain's massively parallel processing algorithm. It feels intangible and strange from the inside but it is less mysterious than you think.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

That be fine...whatever floats your canoe... Blind faith in something is preferable for some, rather than the somewhat nebulous and sometimes frightening exploration of the truly unknown.

When you say exploration what do you mean?

Science is true exploration because visionary scientists like Einstein and Bohr and Dirac dream up strange but plausible theories on how the universe might work. Other scientists then test and prove or disprove those theories.

Going on a trip is not exploration in any objective sense, it is just altering the subjective sensation of your consciousness for kicks. You do not discover anything.

Nonsense, Einstein & Bohr didn't "dream up" any theories, perhaps you are not familiar with what a scientific theory entails?
They had intuitions as to where to direct their efforts, compiling a theory is a lot of work with little to no dreaming up.

If you don't like the phrase 'dreaming up' then choose whatever phrase you like but devising an elaborate theory to explain a complex phenomenon, where that theory seems far fetched at first but turns out to be true when tested scientifically, I would argue, involves some 'imagination'.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Human science is self limiting since it relies on finite 'normal' sensory perception

Nonsense, the opposite is true.

Having sampled the posting habits of certain individuals I can state categorically that some of them were definitely raised on something other than milk and orange juice.
The entire TD experience is hallucinogenic.

Originally Posted by Looper

What do you mean by 'human spirit'?

I never mentioned 'human'.
Have you considered that perhaps, there is spirit in the energy components which make up atoms, which in turn make up molecules, which in turn.....well I could go on and on and convince you of nothing. If nothing is what you already believe.

I, on the other hand believe in everything and in simultaneity.

Like I already said whatever floats your canoe. If you know it all, then you know it all.
If you don't know it all then you explore, discover, and live a life of excitement and danger.

You do not discover anything.

Seems a rather subjective opinion to me.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Human science is self limiting since it relies on finite 'normal' sensory perception

Nonsense, the opposite is true.

Thank you Charles for sharing one of the everlasting truisms of the closed mind, and 'know it all' human science.
It wasn't that long ago when people with closed minds who 'knew it all' thought Copernicus was insane.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

I never mentioned 'human'. Have you considered that perhaps, there is spirit in the energy components which make up atoms, which in turn make up molecules, which in turn.....well I could go on and on and convince you of nothing. If nothing is what you already believe.

I don't believe in nothing. I believe that there is a rational explanation for what we experience as reflectively self-aware consciousness. I believe that you can subjectively warp that experience through the use of hallucinogenic drugs. I do not believe that there is anything mystical about consciousness. I believe that the human brain is susceptible to believing in mysticism. I believe that this susceptibility is what gives strength to the nonsense of religion. I believe that this susceptibility may be an evolved feature of the human psyche.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Thank you Charles for sharing one of the everlasting truisms of the closed mind, and 'know it all' human science. It wasn't that long ago when people with closed minds who 'knew it all' thought Copernicus was insane.

But Copernicus was not on LSD. He was just a very clever man who could imagine a model of the solar system that nobody else could imagine at that time. As it turned out from further experimentation his model was true and it was one of the revolutions in the way that humans understand their environment.

That was pure science and the scientific method at work. Nothing to do with hallucinogenic drugs, which may be fun but have never, to my knowledge, contributed anything to man's insight into the universe.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Human science is self limiting since it relies on finite 'normal' sensory perception

Hubble Space Telescope

It uses infrared, ultraviolet and spectrographic sensors and magnification to capture images that could never be observed with our finite sensory perception.

Originally Posted by Looper

But Copernicus was not on LSD. He was just a very clever man who could imagine a model of the solar system that nobody else could imagine at that time. As it turned out from further experimentation his model was true and it was one of the revolutions in the way that humans understand their environment.

That was pure science and the scientific method at work. Nothing to do with hallucinogenic drugs, which may be fun but have never, to my knowledge, contributed anything to man's insight into the universe.

I'm not out to convince you of anything, amigo.
You on the other hand seem desperate to convince yourself that whatever people like myself experience whilst taking psychedelic medicine is not real, and belong same bag as religious nutjobs.

Have you ever asked yourself why you are afraid?

Why would you tender an opinion about something you apparently have zero experience or actual knowledge?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Thank you Charles for sharing one of the everlasting truisms of the closed mind, and 'know it all' human science. It wasn't that long ago when people with closed minds who 'knew it all' thought Copernicus was insane.

More nonsense. Human science is the opposite of self limiting. It is a continuous and infinite journey of exploration and understanding. If it wasn't we would have stopped after discovering gravity, you self obsessed nincompoop.

Originally Posted by Neo

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Human science is self limiting since it relies on finite 'normal' sensory perception

Hubble Space Telescope

It uses infrared, ultraviolet and spectrographic sensors and magnification to capture images that could never be observed with our finite sensory perception.

Yes, and who built it? Little martian gnome creatures perhaps?

Has it perhaps occurred to you there may be more to be seen or experienced beyond the contraptions made by humans?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Yes, and who built it? Little martian gnome creatures perhaps?

Well you're only reinforcing how wrong you are with that statement Earl.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl
Human science is self limiting since it relies on finite 'normal' sensory perception

The concept of Hubble itself shows that man is capable of utilising science to see beyond his own limitations.