Thread: A TD social hallucinogenic experiment

Originally Posted by chassamui

you self obsessed nincompoop.

Oh thank you Charles, why I think we were all just holding our breath for the, old reliable: "If you don't agree with me, then you're stupid", argument.
It never fails to work, does it!

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Science [sic] belief systems very similar to religion. I'm not saying that these conventions are not useful, but they certainly are not facts and they are not universal.

Er... either Science isn't your strong point, or your third eye is somewhat obscured.

Originally Posted by Neo

The concept of Hubble itself shows that man is capable of utilising science to see beyond his own limitations.

Ok, but that is still theorizing and having faith, which may or may not be correct.

The uses and experiences of psychoactive medicines aren't subjective theories.
It is quite real, though clearly some of our resident keyboard warriors, disagree. Which is fine.
They should simply know, their opinions are borne out of ignorance and not knowledge borne from experience.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Have you ever asked yourself why you are afraid?

Why do you think I am afraid?

Studying the many theories on the nature of human consciousness has been one of my lifelong pastimes. It is an interesting subject (I think).

I have come to the conclusion that there is nothing mystical about human consciousness. It does not come from god or from a connected pool of conciousness or from quantum activity inside atoms. The subjective experience of consciousness is simply an emergent property of the natural process of operation of the human brain.

The simplest explanation is usually the best explanation.

Any animal that evolves mentally to a sufficient degree will eventually experience something similar as part of their experience of being alive.

I am not trying to belittle the use of hallucinogenic drugs. It is your conciousness to do with what you will and warping it for your own entertainment is as good a way to pass the time as any.

I think the evolved weakness of the human mind for mystical explanations behind things is something that hallucinogenic drug use taps into when users start to say that they have 'experienced' something profound when they trip.

I am happy for you to say that LSD is fun. I think you are deluding yourself when you start to say that it gives you insight into something profound about the nature of the universe or anything that matters in the real objective world outside your head.

^ That's a very materialistic worldview, Looper.
Ecstatic experiences are profound, not "fun" or "entertainment", whether triggered by drugs or other circumstances which trigger an extraordinary state of mind. Peak experiences.
It's the landscape of the inner world which converges with outer reality, as mapped by shamans, seers, certain philosophers and psychiatrists throughout the ages.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by Neo

The concept of Hubble itself shows that man is capable of utilising science to see beyond his own limitations.

Ok, but that is still theorizing and having faith, which may or may not be correct.

The uses and experiences of psychoactive medicines aren't subjective theories.
It is quite real, though clearly some of our resident keyboard warriors, disagree. Which is fine.
They should simply know, their opinions are borne out of ignorance and not knowledge borne from experience.

Somebody buy this fucker a drink

Originally Posted by Looper

You claim that you can 'explore' these realms when you are on a 'trip' but you only know about these realms because they have been proven by science already and you read about them in books and magazines while you were not on a trip and then imagined them when you were on a trip. But without the science to start with you would not have been able to imagine them when tripping because you would never have read about their reality in books and magazines.

No Trip

if you get drunk and see double is your 3rd eye opened and are you seeing 2 universes

Originally Posted by stroller

Doc Dapper, what do I need to do to come down, after all these years?

Try some double uoglobe, a fine bottle of brandy and a lithe, twinkly-eyed issan girl.
Works a treat

Originally Posted by blue

if you get drunk and see double is your 3rd eye opened and are you seeing 2 universes

No & no.
Easy remedy: close one eye.

Albert you dont know shit so STFU! The thread is cool but you are a dick!

Originally Posted by stroller

Ecstatic experiences are profound, not "fun" or "entertainment", whether triggered by drugs or other circumstances which trigger an extraordinary state of mind.

Ecstatic experiences are brought on by many types of stimuli. Religious rapture is one of the well known ways to experience a sense of ecstasy. You see it in the way an evangelist minister can hypnotise individuals to a point of fainting with tales of god. But they are essentially subjective experiences that happen entirely inside your skull and have no bearing or connection with anything real or objective outside your skull.

Originally Posted by blue

if you get drunk and see double is your 3rd eye opened

If your 3rd eye is open for more than 15 minutes it was probably just some sediment in a bad pint.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Albert you dont know shit so STFU! The thread is cool but you are a dick!

Peace brother

^^^All experiences are subjective, that's the nature of experience.
Most are shared and form part of the consensus about 'reality', others are not, some of which are extraordinary or peak experiences, for which again, a certain consensus is established.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Modern science is a conventional belief system, not a set of laws as it claims. It is a useful conventional belief system, but it should be stated correctly: conventions.

...and highly protected from threatening curiosities, possibilities, or alternatives.


Or, sciences are not the inventions, discoveries and acquisitions of humankind -
Items of a scientific manner just are as the natural cycles allows to be.

Originally Posted by Looper

I think you are deluding yourself when you start to say that it gives you insight into something profound about the nature of the universe or anything that matters in the real objective world outside your head.

How could you possibly know if you aren't inclined to experiment.

Like saying:
"Oh yeah! I'm interested in the water, the ocean, rivers, natural hot springs, but oh no!
I'm not getting my feet wet!"

Well Loopy, getting wet is what it's all about, and sometimes it is indeed messy.

I think you're afraid to get wet. You're afraid to learn some wisdom of ancient earth.
You're afraid to find out modern western science and education doesn't have all the answers.

Perhaps you are afraid to think for yourself.

Mind ya native psychoactive medicines aren't the only way to a heightened awareness of existence; meditation, and various yoga and Tai Chi, can get you there too, just slower.

Our brief flicker of conciousness is a privilege. We are each of us lucky to be at the helm of our individual identity for our brief span.

I find the reality of the universe to be sufficient marvel to awaken a sense of awe and wonder inside my skull.

If you want to use hallucinogenic drugs to get a sense of awe and wonder then go for your life.

The only thing I will take issue with is any claim on your part that what you experience is anything other then a distorted vision of your own private subjective conciousness.

There is no mystical higher truth to the nature of human conciousness.

We are just monkeys with a highly evolved mental faculty that includes recently evolved reflective self awareness.

You can play games with your conciousness using hallucinogens but there is nothing profound to be examined in these experiments or experiences. It is mental masturbation. There is nothing wrong with ontological onanism but don't start telling people that your addled experiences reveal something about the nature of the universe outside your skull.

They are just the mental equivalent of lighting your brain-farts with a box of matches.

Originally Posted by chassamui

It is a continuous and infinite journey of exploration and understanding

It's a simple enough sentence Earl. Which part of it is too difficult for you to understand?

Science changes and develops with each new discovery. You cannot discuss earth science using your twisted hallucinations while taking mind altering drugs. Your experience is irrelevant to peer reviewed scientific knowledge and understanding. Thankfully.
The mind is a beautiful and complex piece of machinery and you believe your personal intervention with chemicals is more important than reality.
Please spare us any more of your complete nonsense.

Originally Posted by Looper

We are just monkeys with a highly evolved mental faculty that includes recently evolved reflective self awareness.

Speak for yourself mate, most of us have moved on

^Well OK so what do you think is happening when you take hallucinogens?

Do you think it just affects your perceptions and thoughts and subjective experience or do you think that something mystical is happening that involves something outside your skull?

Serious question as I am not sure that everybody on this thread is talking about the same thing.

Well, if it concerns perception, then surely it involves something outside your skull?

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I want

Originally Posted by chassamui

It's a simple enough sentence Earl. Which part of it is too difficult for you to understand? .

Oh gee, Chass, you still think you're part of the discussion!

Sorry, but you cancelled yourself out of the discussion when you started with the name calling.

Your discussion is better suited for Romper-Room.com, maybe Cpt Kangaroo or Mr Rogers would help you.
Or I suppose you could start another thread here titled; "Nitpicker Twaddle".
I'm quite sure that would fly!

If you have some experience pertaining to the topic, then please chime in.
I suspect you don't, so I choose not to engage your trolling twaddle.


Don't forget; kinako nagata [ romper-room ]

Originally Posted by stroller

Well, if it concerns perception, then surely it involves something outside your skull?

Well it involves a distortion of your subjective perception of something outside your skull which is fair enough and cannot be argued with.

But some people seem to think that there is an alternative objective pre-existing reality which is revealed through hallucinogens and could be discovered by science if we had the method and understanding.

Similar to religious euphoria and the belief it engenders in the absolute truth of the existence of supernatural forces.

This is a different position entirely I would say, and the definition of hallucinogenic delusion.