Thread: Why Is it Wrong ?

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Just another Donkey who simply refuses to read the articles I have produced

You have not 'produced' anything. You are just a C&P merchant.
Google is only your friend if you know what you are doing. You obviously have no idea.

Koojo Here is another article out of a virtual raft of them that says the "rat claim" was completely false and was withdrawn GMO Corn Study To Be Retracted By Journal Following Storm Of Scientific Criticism of course the scientists who condemned the article have no idea what they are talking about .

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Yeah thanks for bringing the claim about the rats ,which was found under further scrutiny to be quite false and was withdrawn , here is just one of many articles to substantiate this ,its also in another link in fine print some were but I just can't be bothered scanning all of them ,just Googled this one up , the simple fact remains is according to the articles in my posts 168 and 169 the EU regards 47 kinds of GM foods/crops as safe since April 2012 and are allowing there importation .Study Linking GM Maize To Rat Tumors Is Retracted - Slashdot

Possibly not the best link to provide in order to refute the claim:

The paper, from a research group led by Gilles-Eric Séralini, a molecular biologist at the University of Caen, France, and published in 2012, showed 'no evidence of fraud or intentional misrepresentation of the data,' said a statement from Elsevier, which publishes the journal. But the small number and type of animals used in the study means that 'no definitive conclusions can be reached.'

Hardly a retraction due to false facts but more under pressure from those with money and influence.

You should print out your facts, take them to the smallest room in your house and put them before you. Following this they should be swiftly put behind you before flushing.

Coffee meets keyboard via nose. A real laugh (gurgle) out loud moment
The GF thinks I am having a seizure.

Glad you enjoyed that one chaz.

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by piwanoi

nice bit of cherry picking there , are the articles in my post 168 and 169 a load of bollocks too?

No they are not bollocks. However the "headlines" are carefully worded, in a similar way to the ones before, in order to attract the gullible and stupid aka piwanoi et al. (thank-you chassamui for the words)

Firstly, one can see straight away from the spelling that there is US involvement. A quick look at Wiki and we see that EuropaBio is a biotech industry group whose members include Monsanto. So much for a different perspective or a more European POV.

Now lets turn to how many crops are actually grown in the EU. A simple look at the FAQ on the link you provided reveals:

As of 2012, just two GM crops have been approved for cultivation in Europe.

The more widely grown of the two, MON810, is a type of maize that helps fight off pests, such as the European corn borer.
The second approved product is a potato for industrial use called Amflora, approved in 2010. Its waxy starch content is useful for making paper, for example.
Several member states have issued (legally questionable) bans on cultivation of one or both of these crops approved at EU level.

That would make the average person wonder why are the EU being NIMBY's over GM crops. Now let's look at the imported GM foods:

Europe imports a substantial portion of its animal feed, and a large part of the world’s supply is GM.

Around 30 million tons of grain are imported per year from third countries, including 13 million tons of soybeans, 22 million tons of soymeal, 2,5 million tons of maize, 2 million tons of oilseed rape and 0.1 million tons of cotton.

European animal farmers rely on soybeans imports for animal feed. Europe imports most of the soybeans it uses, and those imports are mostly GM from North and South America.

See our factsheet for more information on the global grain trade and GM crops' role.

hmm this is getting interesting. Most GM food is going into the animal food chain so how does that headline about millions of people eating GM food get into the fact sheet:

Labelling is mandatory within the EU for all food and feed products consisting of, containing, or obtained from GM plants when this is above 0.9% of that ingredient.

GM crops are very often used for animal feed.

Animal derived products such as meat, eggs or milk do not have to be labeled.

And there you have it. Another one of your irrefutable facts unceremoniously debunked.

Now what is that Europeans think about GM Crops....Let's see EuropaBio's FAQ:

Anti-GMO groups claim that Europeans are overwhelmingly opposed to GM food and crops. But often they base these claims on incorrect readings of public opinion polls. What do surveys actually say about the current state of public opinion? Some polling results and questions are misleading. For example, some polls asked people to rank their levels of concern and asked them to agree or disagree with statements like “GM food is unnatural”, “makes you feel uneasy” or “GM food is not good for you.”


Questions that ask people to quantify “how worried they are” obviously record high levels of concern. Reliable public opinion pollsters don’t use such methods; instead, they ask people to rank their concerns instead of prompting them with suggestions of what those concerns might be. Eurobarometer did this in 2010, asking 16,000 Europeans: “… in your own words, what are all the things that come to your mind when thinking about possible problems or risks associated with food and eating? Just say out loud whatever comes to mind and I will write it down.”

According to Eurobarometer 2010 on food related risks, only 8% of Europeans spontaneously say they are worried about GM in food. People are more worried about: 1) chemical products, 2) food poisoning, 3) diet-related diseases, 4) obesity, 5) lack of freshness, and 6) food additives, colours and preservatives.

Although there is concern about GM and biotechnology, consumers report a low level of knowledge about GM food. When a consumer has no direct experience or verifiable evidence to support concerns, he or she takes a much more cautious approach. In one recent survey, 34% of Europeans found a clear deficit of information on GMOs; as a result, many have yet to form their final opinion on the subject.

The EU Research Project CONSUMERCHOICE looked at the actual purchasing behaviour of consumers when given the opportunity to choose between GM and non-GM foods. The project found that responses given by consumers when prompted by questionnaires about GM-food are not a reliable guide to what they do when shopping in grocery stores. Furthermore, the study concluded that Europeans do buy GM-foods when they are physically present and labelled on the shelves. Still, even now a large percentage of people recognise that there are benefits. According to another Eurobarometer, 77% of Europeans said that they agreed that the European Union should encourage its farmers to take advantage of biotechnology in agriculture.

An attempt at trying to spin things round but it seems it isn't doing a great deal of good for this industrial giant.

May I suggest that you read through the EU policy on GM crops and then explain how all those wonderfully intelligent scientists have decided that GM crops are safe and allowing their unrestricted use within the European Union.

BTW you may also want to look up the etymology of Luddite. I noticed its use on the EuropaBio site so I can see where you got the word from but do you really think it applies?

Incidentally Toytskyland is a memorial to GiT, another deranged manic, although he could at least string a coherent sentence together.

I'm not really Troy, the puppet from Stingray, it's just an avatar.

I just wonder how many of the untold millions of Cattle ,pigs and Poultry have contracted tumors through eating the Millions of tonnes of GM crops imported every year into the UK?

A link for you to read piwanoi:

http://www.soilassociation.org/LinkC...%3D&tabid=1326

A dynamic entrepreneur in Thailand might pick up on the concerns of the EU with its ever dwindling supply of non-GM soya produce. It would be an excellent second crop in many parts of Thailand that would help replenish the soil and a willing importer to boot.

I must have a quick chat to Dr T when I next see him.....

Originally Posted by Troy

A link for you to read piwanoi:

http://www.soilassociation.org/LinkC...%3D&tabid=1326

A dynamic entrepreneur in Thailand might pick up on the concerns of the EU with its ever dwindling supply of non-GM soya produce. It would be an excellent second crop in many parts of Thailand that would help replenish the soil and a willing importer to boot.

I must have a quick chat to Dr T when I next see him.....

Yeah no doubt he will give you his expert advice and opinion on all things agricultural ,after all we have all seen what a roaring success his Rice scheme was haven't we

Reading this quite alarming article in "T

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Reading this quite alarming article in "T

Hit the wrong key!!, Reading this quite alarming article in "The Guardian" yep I read it every day!, it would seem that the UK food industry has major problems which does not concern GM ,first the Horse meat scandal and now this , Fake-food scandal revealed as tests show third of products mislabelled | World news | theguardian.com

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Koojo Here is another article out of a virtual raft of them that says the "rat claim" was completely false and was withdrawn GMO Corn Study To Be Retracted By Journal Following Storm Of Scientific Criticism of course the scientists who condemned the article have no idea what they are talking about .

hey Koojo I do hope you have read this article in its entirety , I would have thought you would have "smelled a rat" (forgive the pun, when Millions of tonnes are being imported into Europe quite legally every year to feed livestock worth hundreds of billions never mind a few laboratory Rats , of course the "scaremongers" will persist with their little conspiracies , but the simple irrefutable fact is GM Crops and the farmers world wide that grow them are increasing inexorably year in year out ,of course any luddite member who disputes this let them post firm evidence to the contrary its that simple .

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Koojo Here is another article out of a virtual raft of them that says the "rat claim" was completely false and was withdrawn GMO Corn Study To Be Retracted By Journal Following Storm Of Scientific Criticism of course the scientists who condemned the article have no idea what they are talking about .

hey Koojo I do hope you have read this article in its entirety , I would have thought you would have "smelled a rat" (forgive the pun, when Millions of tonnes are being imported into Europe quite legally every year to feed livestock worth hundreds of billions never mind a few laboratory Rats , of course the "scaremongers" will persist with their little conspiracies , but the simple irrefutable fact is GM Crops and the farmers world wide that grow them are increasing inexorably year in year out ,of course any luddite member who disputes this let them post firm evidence to the contrary its that simple .

Oh my Buddha I almost forgot, as per usual I await the usual personal left wing insults so indicative of certain members on these boards , for me they are like a breath of fresh air and sooooo amusing

Originally Posted by piwanoi

of course any luddite member who disputes this let them post firm evidence to the contrary its that simple .

They already have you fucking ignorant numbskull. Three different posters have now proven your links to be nonsense and you carry on with your breathtaking arrogance, using terms like 'irrefutable fact' when your entire credibility has been shredded.
FFS get a grip man. You and your silly posturing are sunk.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Reading this quite alarming article in "T

So its finally out! You are a closet tea leaf reader! A manic that gets his facts from bloody tea leaves!!

Did you get this prediction for next Friday?

Here is the latest not so surprising news regarding the GM food debate.

http://www.gmresearch.org/new research shows that...

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Reading this quite alarming article in "T

So its finally out! You are a closet tea leaf reader! A manic that gets his facts from bloody tea leaves!!

Did you get this prediction for next Friday?

I just hit the wrong key on my keyboard and the message went , I corrected it in my next post ,I suppose being such a perfectionist you have never made a simple mistake in your entire life eh !

Play the game and stop being such a nebbish wuss...

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Don't you get an edit button any more? I wonder why....

[quote=piwanoi;2695589][quote=HermantheGerman;2695536]

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Of course the Answer is quite easy for all you luddites out there who condemn root and branch without any real knowledge whatsoever ,just how are we going to feed the Worlds ever increasing population with the same amount of arable land?, I await your answers

How are you going to water all your GM crops when there is'nt even enough water to go arround ?
Have you tried fruits and vegies made in America ? Taste like shit or should I say nothing at all.
The soil can not support your crops made by "Frankenstein Corp." Already now our soil is being over fertilized by chemicals. These super crops will need even more chemicals because they are growing stronger and better. And our drinking water will be polluted even more.
How are you going to still the thirst of the Worlds ever increasing population should be the right question. Why feed the Worlds ever increasing population ? Because of now there is more money to be made with fat people then drinking water. Not because of some poor kid dying of hunger in Africa or else.

Hey Brain dead if there's no water for GM crops the same goes for conventional grown ones too, so whats the difference?

What are you, some kind of Monsanto martyr ?
You GM brain could'nt comprehend what I was trying to tell you.
We don't need rats to prove what GM can do to a person...we have you.

[QUOTE=HermantheGerman;2697626][quote=piwanoi;2695589]

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Troy

How are you going to water all your GM crops when there is'nt even enough water to go arround ?
Have you tried fruits and vegies made in America ? Taste like shit or should I say nothing at all.
The soil can not support your crops made by "Frankenstein Corp." Already now our soil is being over fertilized by chemicals. These super crops will need even more chemicals because they are growing stronger and better. And our drinking water will be polluted even more.
How are you going to still the thirst of the Worlds ever increasing population should be the right question. Why feed the Worlds ever increasing population ? Because of now there is more money to be made with fat people then drinking water. Not because of some poor kid dying of hunger in Africa or else.

Hey Brain dead if there's no water for GM crops the same goes for conventional grown ones too, so whats the difference?

What are you, some kind of Monsanto martyr ?
You GM brain could'nt comprehend what I was trying to tell you.
We don't need rats to prove what GM can do to a person...we have you.

Hey Herman , The wild claim about the rats was quite erroneous (a lie) ) the article is in my post 202 , but of course FFS don't lets simple facts get in the way of your ranting ,its so amusing ,even for me

[QUOTE=piwanoi;2697664][QUOTE=HermantheGerman;2697626]

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Hey Brain dead if there's no water for GM crops the same goes for conventional grown ones too, so whats the difference?

What are you, some kind of Monsanto martyr ?
You GM brain could'nt comprehend what I was trying to tell you.
We don't need rats to prove what GM can do to a person...we have you.

Hey Herman , The wild claim about the rats was quite erroneous (a lie) ) the article is in my post 202 , but of course FFS don't lets simple facts get in the way of your ranting ,its so amusing ,even for me

BTW I was not aware Troy wrote the total nonsense above my answer ,But hey never mind you get everything else wrong .

Originally Posted by piwanoi

I was not aware

That much is obvious. Completely lost the plot you irritating little man.

[QUOTE=piwanoi;2697667][QUOTE=piwanoi;2697664]

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

What are you, some kind of Monsanto martyr ?
You GM brain could'nt comprehend what I was trying to tell you.
We don't need rats to prove what GM can do to a person...we have you.

Hey Herman , The wild claim about the rats was quite erroneous (a lie) ) the article is in my post 202 , but of course FFS don't lets simple facts get in the way of your ranting ,its so amusing ,even for me

BTW I was not aware Troy wrote the total nonsense above my answer ,But hey never mind you get everything else wrong .

In fact the post which was attributed to Troy ,was made by yourself in your post 163 ,you are getting your undies in a twist ,get a grip FFS

Originally Posted by chassamui

This is a really great way to debate. Just ignore anyone who proves you wrong or expects a greater burden of proof than some blooger ripped off a google search.

Boon Mee and Piwi have the same MO. Laughable to say the least.

Originally Posted by chassamui

BTW I was not aware Troy wrote the total nonsense above my answer ,But hey never mind you get everything else wrong .

Deary me piwanoi, it was your error on post #166.

BTW why do you need to quote the post you refer to, even if it is the one directly above? A very annoying trait of yours (amongst others).

Have you considered replying to my rebuttals of your "irrefutable facts" or do you lack the necessary skills to do so?

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It's a trick question Piwi...we all know the answer...

It is clear you intend to totally ignore the fact that 3 posters have unraveled your flawed GM nonsense. I will continue to remind everyone until you apologise and withdraw, or stop posting on this thread.
I will do it every time you use the word fact in relation to this thread.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by chassamui

This is a really great way to debate. Just ignore anyone who proves you wrong or expects a greater burden of proof than some blooger ripped off a google search.

Boon Mee and Piwi have the same MO. Laughable to say the least.

Stalking time again I see