Thread: Why Is it Wrong ?

We often read the word "frankenfood", but for decades or even Century's crops or Animals have been Improved on and modified to achieve better results to feed an ever increasing World population , is this some how a crime?, to some quite obviously it is ,the days are long gone were the "traditional" farmer can some how feed the World ,This new line of thinking IMHO should be encouraged and not be dismissed out of hand by people or Governments who simply refuse to believe that the Earths resources as they are now are unlimited ,for me thinking ahead just has to be paramount in all all our thoughts .BBC News - Genetically-modified purple tomatoes heading for shops

Why it's wrong is they are altering plants and animals in ways that would never occur in nature with little understanding of the consequences should the frankengenes mutate or spread beyond the original host.
Additionally, the frankenplants are patented, once the franken plants have displaced current crops the corporations will "own" the food sources.

Plants and Animals have been genetically altered for generations ,one only has to look at poultry, a Hen used to lay a clutch of eggs and then brood them ,now thanks to selective breeding that same hen lays over 300 eggs a year,the question is quite simple are you in favour of selective breeding be it plant or Animal to feed the World? or is it just the thoughts of Companys such as Monsanto who employ thousands in their research to feed the World could well make money out of it ? I would suggest you read the link in my OP and of course this one too, when it comes to feeding the Worlds ever increasing population "Luddite" tendencies are hardly a help, more in the way of a hindrance BBC News - Is it 'wicked' to oppose GM crops?

Man foking with Mother Nature and Father Time has never resulted in long term good .

Originally Posted by Mid

Man foking with Mother Nature and Father Time has never resulted in long term good .

yeah look at all the bloody dogs around

Monsanto is simply evil as documented here .

https://teakdoor.com/speakers-corner/...t-against.html (Food safety, GMOs and the global fight against Monsanto)

and

https://teakdoor.com/world-news/12854...-monsanto.html (March against Monsanto)

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Plants and Animals have been genetically altered for generations ,one only has to look at poultry, a Hen used to lay a clutch of eggs and then brood them ,now thanks to selective breeding that same hen lays over 300 eggs a year,the question is quite simple are you in favour of selective breeding be it plant or Animal to feed the World? or is it just the thoughts of Companys such as Monsanto who employ thousands in their research to feed the World could well make money out of it ? I would suggest you read the link in my OP and of course this one too, when it comes to feeding the Worlds ever increasing population "Luddite" tendencies are hardly a help, more in the way of a hindrance BBC News - Is it 'wicked' to oppose GM crops?

You can selectively breed chickens till the cows come home and you will in no way, ever, end up with a chicken that has a gene from a squid in it. And you can't patent the end product as regardless of the end result, all the genes are natural.

Only a fool or a stockholder (same same) would think that the direction companies like monsanto are taking food production in is a good thing. The same sort of fools who think we can't feed the planet without genetically engineered food while farmers are being paid to not grow crops or to switch from food crops to subsidized bio fuel crops because of market gluts.

Genetically Engineered Crops Trigger Cycle of Superweeds and Toxic Pesticides | EcoWatch

Originally Posted by Mid

Man foking with Mother Nature and Father Time has never resulted in long term good .

So you do not believe in "family planning" then?every time you have sex it should not be for mutual enjoyment but just to knock another kid out? .

^

and that is a classic example of why folks have zero interest in debating with you .

Originally Posted by xanax

Originally Posted by Mid

Man foking with Mother Nature and Father Time has never resulted in long term good .

yeah look at all the bloody dogs around

They "interfere" with Nature on a regular basis is the UK by having bitches spayed or a simple injection every 4 months which costs peanuts ,I think they call it "responsibility" back there

Originally Posted by Mid

^

and that is a classic example of why folks have zero interest in debating with you .

The Chinese's "interference" with Nature appears to have benefited them ,at least they are not starving to death like many African Country,s .

Originally Posted by Mid

^

and that is a classic example of why folks have zero interest in debating with you .

I do not see many people debating with you about your one man Crusade in support of the Rohinga started by you 30-4-2009, maybe they think as I do that its a total waste of time

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Plants and Animals have been genetically altered for generations ,one only has to look at poultry, a Hen used to lay a clutch of eggs and then brood them ,now thanks to selective breeding that same hen lays over 300 eggs a year,the question is quite simple are you in favour of selective breeding be it plant or Animal to feed the World? or is it just the thoughts of Companys such as Monsanto who employ thousands in their research to feed the World could well make money out of it ? I would suggest you read the link in my OP and of course this one too, when it comes to feeding the Worlds ever increasing population "Luddite" tendencies are hardly a help, more in the way of a hindrance BBC News - Is it 'wicked' to oppose GM crops?

You can selectively breed chickens till the cows come home and you will in no way, ever, end up with a chicken that has a gene from a squid in it. And you can't patent the end product as regardless of the end result, all the genes are natural.

Only a fool or a stockholder (same same) would think that the direction companies like monsanto are taking food production in is a good thing. The same sort of fools who think we can't feed the planet without genetically engineered food while farmers are being paid to not grow crops or to switch from food crops to subsidized bio fuel crops because of market gluts.

Genetically Engineered Crops Trigger Cycle of Superweeds and Toxic Pesticides | EcoWatch

Interesting article ,on the other hand there is this one too, John Robbins: Can GMOs Help End World Hunger?

Where exactly is this World Hunger you speak of?

The hungry people are in places where there is no infrastructure to grow any crops let alone GM ones.
The cause of hunger is not a lack of GM Golden rice, but poverty and a lack of political stability.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Where exactly is this World Hunger you speak of?

The hungry people are in places where there is no infrastructure to grow any crops let alone GM ones.
The cause of hunger is not a lack of GM Golden rice, but poverty and a lack of political stability.

What I am plainly saying is that every avenue should be explored to feed the Worlds ever increasing population , to some it would appear a crime ,my OP asked a simple question ,North Korea is starving and so are many Countrys in Africa who without UN food aid millions would die ,if more food could be produced it would help ,here is a link which may answer a few questions Hunger Map

Originally Posted by Necron99

Additionally, the frankenplants are patented, once the franken plants have displaced current crops the corporations will "own" the food sources.

This is what goes over Piwanoi's head.

The likes of Monsanto are engineering plants that do not produce viable seeds, so that effectively they can control - and profit from - crop growth.

And they've used dubious means to enforce laws in various countries that if their genetically engineered frankensteins get into other farmers crops, those farmers are forced to destroy them.

I'm not against GM crops myself, but not at as a profit making venture at the expense of small farmers.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Necron99

Where exactly is this World Hunger you speak of?

The hungry people are in places where there is no infrastructure to grow any crops let alone GM ones.
The cause of hunger is not a lack of GM Golden rice, but poverty and a lack of political stability.

What I am plainly saying is that every avenue should be explored to feed the Worlds ever increasing population , to some it would appear a crime ,my OP asked a simple question ,North Korea is starving and so are many Countrys in Africa who without UN food aid millions would die ,if more food could be produced it would help ,here is a link which may answer a few questions Hunger Map

But you're plainly missing the point.
It's like saying "My TV is broken so what I need is an internet enabled fridge"
Saying "it's for global hunger" is just another way f saying "it's for the kiddies", how could anyone not want to help the kiddies?

North Korea is starving because of it's stalinist economy and a million unproductive men in uniform rather than on the farm working. not because of a lack of GM crops.

Parts of Africa are starving because of war, poverty and lack of infrastructure.

Fix those things and they don;t need an internet enabled fridge, they will be able to feed themselves quite easily.

Over my head Harry? 10% of the Worlds arable land is already growing GM food, it was first grown in China years ago ,and it's now grown in 29 other Countrys what it is is that many people have pathological hatred of Company's like Monsanto making big money ,which is peanuts if its going to help feed the ever burgeoning population , the "hunger map in my post #15 explains the problem quite graphically , this link may help tooGenetically modified crops - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Necron99

Where exactly is this World Hunger you speak of?

The hungry people are in places where there is no infrastructure to grow any crops let alone GM ones.
The cause of hunger is not a lack of GM Golden rice, but poverty and a lack of political stability.

What I am plainly saying is that every avenue should be explored to feed the Worlds ever increasing population , to some it would appear a crime ,my OP asked a simple question ,North Korea is starving and so are many Countrys in Africa who without UN food aid millions would die ,if more food could be produced it would help ,here is a link which may answer a few questions Hunger Map

But you're plainly missing the point.
It's like saying "My TV is broken so what I need is an internet enabled fridge"
Saying "it's for global hunger" is just another way f saying "it's for the kiddies", how could anyone not want to help the kiddies?

North Korea is starving because of it's stalinist economy and a million unproductive men in uniform rather than on the farm working. not because of a lack of GM crops.

Parts of Africa are starving because of war, poverty and lack of infrastructure.

Fix those things and they don;t need an internet enabled fridge, they will be able to feed themselves quite easily.

Some one must have it all wrong then cos 10% of the Worlds arable land is already growing GM modified crops ,which started in China quite some time ago

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by Necron99

Where exactly is this World Hunger you speak of?

The hungry people are in places where there is no infrastructure to grow any crops let alone GM ones.
The cause of hunger is not a lack of GM Golden rice, but poverty and a lack of political stability.

What I am plainly saying is that every avenue should be explored to feed the Worlds ever increasing population , to some it would appear a crime ,my OP asked a simple question ,North Korea is starving and so are many Countrys in Africa who without UN food aid millions would die ,if more food could be produced it would help ,here is a link which may answer a few questions Hunger Map

But you're plainly missing the point.
It's like saying "My TV is broken so what I need is an internet enabled fridge"
Saying "it's for global hunger" is just another way f saying "it's for the kiddies", how could anyone not want to help the kiddies?

North Korea is starving because of it's stalinist economy and a million unproductive men in uniform rather than on the farm working. not because of a lack of GM crops.

Parts of Africa are starving because of war, poverty and lack of infrastructure.

Fix those things and they don;t need an internet enabled fridge, they will be able to feed themselves quite easily.

Some one must have it all wrong then cos 10% of the Worlds arable land is already growing GM modified crops ,which started in China quite some time ago

Please read the link in my post #18 .

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Over my head Harry? 10% of the Worlds arable land is already growing GM food, it was first grown in China years ago ,and it's now grown in 29 other Countrys what it is is that many people have pathological hatred of Company's like Monsanto making big money ,which is peanuts if its going to help feed the ever burgeoning population , the "hunger map in my post #15 explains the problem quite graphically , this link may help tooGenetically modified crops - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What does the fact that it's already being grown have to do with what I said?

And if you have a monopoly on GM crops, it's not going to be "peanuts" is it?

I think you're a gullible idiot. Start doing some research.

Charles Benbrook, research professor at the Center for Sustaining Agriculture and Natural Resources, Washington State University, noted that as GM soybeans started to take over the market (2000-2010) the price for seed increased 230%. The cost for Monsanto’s Roundup Ready2 soybeans in 2010 was $70 per bag, a 143% increase in the price of GM seed since 2001.

According to the US Department of Agriculture’s Economic Research Service, the average per-acre cost of soybean and corn seed increased 325% and 259%, respectively, between 1995 and 2011. This is corresponds to the time period when acreage of GM corn and soy grew from less than 20% to more than 80-90%

Monsanto are not in business to help the starving.

http://ourworld.unu.edu/en/can-we-fe...thout-monsanto

Originally Posted by piwanoi

We often read the word "frankenfood", but for decades or even Century's crops or Animals have been Improved on and modified to achieve better results to feed an ever increasing World population , is this some how a crime?, to some quite obviously it is ,the days are long gone were the "traditional" farmer can some how feed the World ,This new line of thinking IMHO should be encouraged and not be dismissed out of hand by people or Governments who simply refuse to believe that the Earths resources as they are now are unlimited ,for me thinking ahead just has to be paramount in all all our thoughts .BBC News - Genetically-modified purple tomatoes heading for shops

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Plants and Animals have been genetically altered for generations ,one only has to look at poultry, a Hen used to lay a clutch of eggs and then brood them ,now thanks to selective breeding that same hen lays over 300 eggs a year,the question is quite simple are you in favour of selective breeding be it plant or Animal to feed the World? or is it just the thoughts of Companys such as Monsanto who employ thousands in their research to feed the World could well make money out of it ? I would suggest you read the link in my OP and of course this one too, when it comes to feeding the Worlds ever increasing population "Luddite" tendencies are hardly a help, more in the way of a hindrance BBC News - Is it 'wicked' to oppose GM crops?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

This is what goes over Piwanoi's head.

Originally Posted by Necron99

you're plainly missing the point.

Originally Posted by Necron99

It's like saying "My TV is broken so what I need is an internet enabled fridge"

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Over my head ?

It would clearly fvcking appear so

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Over my head Harry? 10% of the Worlds arable land is already growing GM food, it was first grown in China years ago ,and it's now grown in 29 other Countrys what it is is that many people have pathological hatred of Company's like Monsanto making big money ,which is peanuts if its going to help feed the ever burgeoning population , the "hunger map in my post #15 explains the problem quite graphically , this link may help tooGenetically modified crops - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What does the fact that it's already being grown have to do with what I said?

And if you have a monopoly on GM crops, it's not going to be "peanuts" is it?

I think you're a gullible idiot. Start doing some research.

Charles Benbrook, research professor at the Center for Sustaining Agriculture and Natural Resources, Washington State University, noted that as GM soybeans started to take over the market (2000-2010) the price for seed increased 230%. The cost for Monsanto’s Roundup Ready2 soybeans in 2010 was $70 per bag, a 143% increase in the price of GM seed since 2001.

According to the US Department of Agriculture’s Economic Research Service, the average per-acre cost of soybean and corn seed increased 325% and 259%, respectively, between 1995 and 2011. This is corresponds to the time period when acreage of GM corn and soy grew from less than 20% to more than 80-90%

Monsanto are not in business to help the starving.

Can We Feed Our World Without Monsanto? - Our World

whoever said they was , like all Company,s pharmaceutical or otherwise are in it for the Money (1) they employ tens of Thousands of people and another what they are researching in is now being adopted by 29 other Countrys worldwide and accounting for 10% of the arable land to grow GM food , any research in improving the quality and quantity In the production of food should be encouraged and not discriminated against(IMHO), this simple fact appears to have gone over some members heads

Originally Posted by piwanoi

and accounting for 10% of the arable land to grow GM food

So the stewards of a whopping 90% of the arable land refuse to use it.
That is quite a telling stat.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Over my head Harry? 10% of the Worlds arable land is already growing GM food, it was first grown in China years ago ,and it's now grown in 29 other Countrys what it is is that many people have pathological hatred of Company's like Monsanto making big money ,which is peanuts if its going to help feed the ever burgeoning population , the "hunger map in my post #15 explains the problem quite graphically , this link may help tooGenetically modified crops - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What does the fact that it's already being grown have to do with what I said?

And if you have a monopoly on GM crops, it's not going to be "peanuts" is it?

I think you're a gullible idiot. Start doing some research.

Charles Benbrook, research professor at the Center for Sustaining Agriculture and Natural Resources, Washington State University, noted that as GM soybeans started to take over the market (2000-2010) the price for seed increased 230%. The cost for Monsanto’s Roundup Ready2 soybeans in 2010 was $70 per bag, a 143% increase in the price of GM seed since 2001.

According to the US Department of Agriculture’s Economic Research Service, the average per-acre cost of soybean and corn seed increased 325% and 259%, respectively, between 1995 and 2011. This is corresponds to the time period when acreage of GM corn and soy grew from less than 20% to more than 80-90%

Monsanto are not in business to help the starving.

Can We Feed Our World Without Monsanto? - Our World

So just what are you trying to say ,that the growing of GM crops should be outlawed and and further research by any Company on GM food production be ceased forever? the question is quite straight forward enough, I have read your link to its conclusion , however if its such a bad idea why is it increasing quite rapidly World wide? I suggest you read this link of mine to its conclusion , by the year 2050 I hectare of land will have to produce enough food to feed 5 people were now 1 hectare will only produce enough to feed 2 ,just what is the answer to this inescapable fact you tell me, https://www.bigquestionsonline.com/c...modified-crops