Thread: Why Is it Wrong ?

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Pray please inform me how do you know 100%v sure that the meat you buy from the local market conforms to your rigid standards?, be it pork, beef or Chicken

Um, because it is organic, and produced by local farmers who let their animals roam free and eat grass. I eat out yeah, the odd time and I don't know what I'm getting, so I am moving toward organic, but not fully there.

Originally Posted by MissTraveller

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Pray please inform me how do you know 100%v sure that the meat you buy from the local market conforms to your rigid standards?, be it pork, beef or Chicken

Um, because it is organic, and produced by local farmers who let their animals roam free and eat grass. I eat out yeah, the odd time and I don't know what I'm getting, so I am moving toward organic, but not fully there.

How do you know the grass/whatever the animals eat is truly organic? ,Chemical fertilizers /pesticides are widely used World wide , Buffaloes/ Cattle are now eating the cut rice fields all around me which have been hammered with fertilizer and pesticides such as the forbidden Paraquat , are you remotely suggesting that your life style/diet is the answer to feeding the World 40 years from now? , BTW do you smoke organically grown tobacco or drink organically produced wine too

Originally Posted by MissTraveller

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Pray please inform me how do you know 100%v sure that the meat you buy from the local market conforms to your rigid standards?, be it pork, beef or Chicken,and obviously you do not "eat out" as you have no way of knowing, other that word of the of the Cafe's owners as to just how or were meat comes from, your asinine words are almost on par with that believer in free speech Mids

OMG! Don't even get me started on Monsanto and GMO food.
The US and Canada doesn't even have to label GMO foods, but the good news is Whole Foods Market announced that its suppliers must label foods as containing GM ingredients within five years in the U.S. and Canada.

Great article here on the subject.. the bottom line is Monsanto is using Genetically modified corn/wheat as a big business and that shit isn't good for us..especially High fructose corn syrup which is in a lot of products that people aren't even aware of.
Monsanto: A food stock with a bad aftertaste - The Globe and Mail

Try and get it out of your silly little head that it 's just Monsanto that is researching/ growing GM crops , have a look at how many Country,s and how many millions of farmers world wide are now growing GM foods on a land mass bigger than the whole of the USA and as big as Brazil , we are staring at the edge of the abyss cos 40 years from now the present arable land we have under today,s methods will be woefully short due to the ever increasing worlds population (80 million a year),what do you suggest go back 200 years and go 100% organic like you ?

Miss T do yourself a big favour and read the link in my post 118 and see just how GM crop growing is increasing dramitically world wide and for sure as night follows day the trend will continue unabated ,and unless the millions of farmers are totally insane it just has to be of benefit to them .

Originally Posted by Necron99

Hey Necron ,not long ago I started a thread called"Our crippling fear of the truth" which was about the rising tide of Islamic Fundamentalism , allthough members of the TDMA could not prove me and others wrong it was highly unpopular , maybe this thread is just the same eh.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Nice one!

Originally Posted by piwanoi

We often read the word "frankenfood", but for decades or even Century's crops or Animals have been Improved on and modified to achieve better results to feed an ever increasing World population , is this some how a crime?, to some quite obviously it is ,the days are long gone were the "traditional" farmer can some how feed the World ,This new line of thinking IMHO should be encouraged and not be dismissed out of hand by people or Governments who simply refuse to believe that the Earths resources as they are now are unlimited ,for me thinking ahead just has to be paramount in all all our thoughts .BBC News - Genetically-modified purple tomatoes heading for shops

I don't think this is wrong in the sense that if we are getting more antioxidants and the GM food is healthy than why not.

There are a lot of questions and different themes on this thread piwi.
When I saw Monsanto I had a knee jerk response. It is not GM food per se I have a problem with like the modified purple tomatoes..it is Monsanto and the fact that they literally spray chemicals on their soy crop and use soy/corn in everything which isn't good for us and cause illness. You can get the truth and real scoop behind how evil Monsanto is by watching this video. Then you can ask me 'Is it wrong'?

And about feeding the world spiel, I'd say that if Monsanto owns most of the crops around the world then we are in trouble. There are other ways to feed the world going 'green' and using sustainable farming methods. I've seen these methods put in place in as poor a place as Cambodia five years ago.


The World According to Monsanto documentary..watch it piwi.
The World According to Monsanto (2008) | Watch Documentary Free Online

This very sad episode is obviously the work of that evil organisation Monsanto More than 400 dead dolphins on north Peru coast | Bangkok Post: breakingnews Maybe they died of starvation being that some Countrys are VERY BUSY strip mining the world oceans of tiny fish to turn them into Animal feed .

Originally Posted by piwanoi

This very sad episode is obviously the work of that evil organisation Monsanto More than 400 dead dolphins on north Peru coast | Bangkok Post: breakingnews Maybe they died of starvation being that some Countrys are VERY BUSY strip mining the world oceans of tiny fish to turn them into Animal feed .

Opp's I forgot to put this just one of the many articles on this subject which will of course be totally ignored On World Oceans Day, celebrate the little fish, unglamorous but essential | OregonLive.com

Some evidence that the 'invisible hand of the free market' is moving away from GMO stuff-

Is Monsanto Giving Up on GMOs?

Is genetically modified seed giant Monsanto doing the unthinkable and moving away from genetically modified seeds?

It sounds crazy, but hear me out. Let’s start with Monsanto's vegetable division, Seminis, which boasts it is the "largest developer and grower of vegetable seeds in the world." Monsanto acknowledges Seminis has no new GM vegetables in development. According to a recent Wired piece, Seminis has has reverted instead to "good old-fashioned crossbreeding, the same technology that farmers have been using to optimize crops for millennia."

Why? The article points to people's growing avoidance of genetically modified foods. So far, consumers have shown no appetite to gobble up GM vegetables. (But that doesn't mean people aren't eating GMOs: Nearly all GMOs currently on the market are big commodity crops like corn and soy, which, besides being used as livestock feed, are regularly used as ingredients in processed food—think high-fructose corn syrup and soy oil.)


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But the Wired piece also suggests a factor that doesn't get nearly enough attention: GM technology doesn't seem to be very good at generating complex traits like better flavor or more nutrients, the very attributes Monsanto was hoping to engineer into veggies. Here's Wired:

Furthermore, genetically modifying consumer crops proved to be inefficient and expensive. [Monsanto exec David] Stark estimates that adding a new gene takes roughly 10 years and $100 million to go from a product concept to regulatory approval. And inserting genes one at a time doesn't necessarily produce the kinds of traits that rely on the inter[at]actions of several genes. Well before their veggie business went kaput, Monsanto knew it couldn't just genetically modify its way to better produce; it had to breed great vegetables to begin with. As Stark phrases a company mantra: "The best gene in the world doesn't fix dogshit germplasm." [Emphasis added.]

Okay, that's vegetables. What about Monsanto's core business, selling seeds for big industrial commodity crops like corn, soybeans, cotton, and alfalfa? Monsanto has come to dominate these markets with its Roundup Ready products, which are designed to withstand Monsanto's flagship herbicide, and, for corn and cotton, its "Bt" products, which are engineered to produce a toxin found in Bacillus thuringiensis, an insect-killing bacteria. Does the company have lots of novel GM products in mind for this vast, lucrative sector?

Monsanto's latest Annual R&D Pipeline Review, a document released earlier this month that showcases the company's research into new product lines, foretells all kinds of impressive-sounding stuff. But a surprising amount of the company's new research, even for its most lucrative crops like corn and soy, promise either new iterations of herbicide tolerance and Bt, or rely on classical breeding—not biotechnology.

The one major exception is a corn seed relying on a new kind of GMO: RNA interference (RNAi) technology, a recently discovered way to turn off certain genes, which Monsanto plans to engineer into crops to kill certain insects. According to Monsanto's pipeline review, RNAi corn remains in the early "proof of concept" phase. In a recent piece, the New York Times' Andrew Pollack reports that the technology is showing promise—Monsanto hopes to have it on the market "late this decade." But it's also generating controversy even in normally Monsanto-friendly regulatory circles because researchers have suggested it may kill beneficial insects like ladybugs along with targeted pests. Pollack points to this 2013 paper by Environmental Protection Agency scientists, which warned that the unfamiliar technology presented "unique challenges for ecological risk assessment that have not yet been encountered in assessments for traditional chemical pesticides."
Monsanto's Take on Whether It's Moving Away from GMOs | Mother Jones

Originally Posted by sabang

Some evidence that the 'invisible hand of the free market' is moving away from GMO stuff-

Is Monsanto Giving Up on GMOs?

Is genetically modified seed giant Monsanto doing the unthinkable and moving away from genetically modified seeds?

It sounds crazy, but hear me out. Let’s start with Monsanto's vegetable division, Seminis, which boasts it is the "largest developer and grower of vegetable seeds in the world." Monsanto acknowledges Seminis has no new GM vegetables in development. According to a recent Wired piece, Seminis has has reverted instead to "good old-fashioned crossbreeding, the same technology that farmers have been using to optimize crops for millennia."

Why? The article points to people's growing avoidance of genetically modified foods. So far, consumers have shown no appetite to gobble up GM vegetables. (But that doesn't mean people aren't eating GMOs: Nearly all GMOs currently on the market are big commodity crops like corn and soy, which, besides being used as livestock feed, are regularly used as ingredients in processed food—think high-fructose corn syrup and soy oil.)


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But the Wired piece also suggests a factor that doesn't get nearly enough attention: GM technology doesn't seem to be very good at generating complex traits like better flavor or more nutrients, the very attributes Monsanto was hoping to engineer into veggies. Here's Wired:

Furthermore, genetically modifying consumer crops proved to be inefficient and expensive. [Monsanto exec David] Stark estimates that adding a new gene takes roughly 10 years and $100 million to go from a product concept to regulatory approval. And inserting genes one at a time doesn't necessarily produce the kinds of traits that rely on the inter[at]actions of several genes. Well before their veggie business went kaput, Monsanto knew it couldn't just genetically modify its way to better produce; it had to breed great vegetables to begin with. As Stark phrases a company mantra: "The best gene in the world doesn't fix dogshit germplasm." [Emphasis added.]

Okay, that's vegetables. What about Monsanto's core business, selling seeds for big industrial commodity crops like corn, soybeans, cotton, and alfalfa? Monsanto has come to dominate these markets with its Roundup Ready products, which are designed to withstand Monsanto's flagship herbicide, and, for corn and cotton, its "Bt" products, which are engineered to produce a toxin found in Bacillus thuringiensis, an insect-killing bacteria. Does the company have lots of novel GM products in mind for this vast, lucrative sector?

Monsanto's latest Annual R&D Pipeline Review, a document released earlier this month that showcases the company's research into new product lines, foretells all kinds of impressive-sounding stuff. But a surprising amount of the company's new research, even for its most lucrative crops like corn and soy, promise either new iterations of herbicide tolerance and Bt, or rely on classical breeding—not biotechnology.

The one major exception is a corn seed relying on a new kind of GMO: RNA interference (RNAi) technology, a recently discovered way to turn off certain genes, which Monsanto plans to engineer into crops to kill certain insects. According to Monsanto's pipeline review, RNAi corn remains in the early "proof of concept" phase. In a recent piece, the New York Times' Andrew Pollack reports that the technology is showing promise—Monsanto hopes to have it on the market "late this decade." But it's also generating controversy even in normally Monsanto-friendly regulatory circles because researchers have suggested it may kill beneficial insects like ladybugs along with targeted pests. Pollack points to this 2013 paper by Environmental Protection Agency scientists, which warned that the unfamiliar technology presented "unique challenges for ecological risk assessment that have not yet been encountered in assessments for traditional chemical pesticides."
Monsanto's Take on Whether It's Moving Away from GMOs | Mother Jones

Just what is your take on this article ? , which of course so unlike you yourself I have read it to its conclusion

Seems like GMO is not much use for developing veggies with taste- and development efforts are more focusing on 'agricultural commodities', like soy etc- the sort of stuff that goes into animal feed, and sugar syrup. Traditional crossbreeding seems to be more effective for stuff you might actually wanna eat.

Originally Posted by sabang

Seems like GMO is not much use for developing veggies with taste- and development efforts are more focusing on 'agricultural commodities', like soy etc- the sort of stuff that goes into animal feed, and sugar syrup. Traditional crossbreeding seems to be more effective for stuff you might actually wanna eat.

Not much use for developing Veggies with taste Sabang? of course you have ample evidence that GM foods are tastless then , any chance of sharing your bountiful knowledge with a few articles ? maybe the Beef, Poultry and pork that they feed the GM foods to is tasteless too eh

read the article, numpty.

GM technology doesn't seem to be very good at generating complex traits like better flavor or more nutrients, the very attributes Monsanto was hoping to engineer into veggies.

Originally Posted by sabang

read the article, numpty.

GM technology doesn't seem to be very good at generating complex traits like better flavor or more nutrients, the very attributes Monsanto was hoping to engineer into veggies.

I have, and especially who wrote it non other that the hard left mouthpeice "Mother Jones" I find it laughable that you ripped into Khoman about Fox news news as though everything they write is a trip into fantasy land and then produce this one from Mother Jones" as though its the gospel , get a grip FFS

Is Monsanto a hard left mouthpiece too? They are reducing their development of GM veggie's, for the reasons said, and reverting to age old crossbreeding/ hybridisation techniques. Money talks, bullshit walks, and Monsanto is voting with it's not inconsiderable wallet. So it looks like GMO is not quite the wunderkind after all, except for what you might term industrialised agricultural commodites. geddit, or too many big words?

Originally Posted by sabang

Is Monsanto a hard left mouthpiece too? They are reducing their development of GM veggie's, for the reasons said, and reverting to age old crossbreeding/ hybridisation techniques. Money talks, bullshit walks, and Monsanto is voting with it's not inconsiderable wallet. So it looks like GMO is not quite the wunderkind after all, except for what you might term industrialised agricultural commodites. geddit, or too many big words?

GM crops are now grown in a land mass bigger than the USA and as big as Brazil in 30 Countrys by millions of farmers and is increasing inexorable year in year out ,are you suggesting that the growing of GM crops is on the decline?, before you write any further shite why not do yourself a favour and study the links I have posted in this thread which substantiate my claim

I read today that the Chinese are risking Jail to steal American GM seeds ,they know full well that this is the only way forward to feed the ever increasing World population Chinese charged for agricultural spying

I tried to google it but no sucess. I remember some Chinese Govt people were arrested trying to smuggle apple tree cuttings out of either NZ or Aust in the '80s.
They're always at it the thieving cunts.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

GM crops are now grown in a land mass bigger than the USA and as big as Brazil in 30 Countrys by millions of farmers and is increasing inexorable year in year out ,are you suggesting that the growing of GM crops is on the decline?

What do you mean? I thought that the USA was bigger than Brazil. A quick google and I find Brazil is ~88% the size of USA.

Can you explain what you mean or is it just a cut'n'paste?

BTW have you read Frankenstein yet?

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by piwanoi

GM crops are now grown in a land mass bigger than the USA and as big as Brazil in 30 Countrys by millions of farmers and is increasing inexorable year in year out ,are you suggesting that the growing of GM crops is on the decline?

What do you mean? I thought that the USA was bigger than Brazil. A quick google and I find Brazil is ~88% the size of USA.

Can you explain what you mean or is it just a cut'n'paste?

BTW have you read Frankenstein yet?

What I should have wrote is GM food is now being grown world wide on a bigger land mass than the USA , here all the stats , as yes I been reading quite a bit on Frankenstein over the last day or two in fact theres a post from him in 147!Executive Summary: Global Status of Commercialized Biotech/GM Crops: 2012 - ISAAA Brief 44-2012 | ISAAA.org

Originally Posted by Koojo

I tried to google it but no sucess. I remember some Chinese Govt people were arrested trying to smuggle apple tree cuttings out of either NZ or Aust in the '80s.
They're always at it the thieving cunts.

Here's a link from Bloomberg Koojo ,it would appear its pretty heavy as the FBI is on the case ,there is also a link in my post 145 ,U.S. Charges Chinese Man With Conspiracy to Steal Secrets - Bloomberg it would appear that there is more than one Chinese guy involved .