Thread: Why Is it Wrong ?

Originally Posted by piwanoi

What I should have wrote is GM food is now being grown world wide on a bigger land mass than the USA , here all the stats

The OP has a good title...Why is it wrong?

You have been misled by the wording piwanoi, allow me to explain.

A record 170.3 million hectares of biotech crops were grown globally in 2012

That's ~ 656,373 sq miles or approx 17.3% of the land mass of the USA (~3.79million sq miles).

In the period 1996 to 2012, millions of farmers in ~30 countries worldwide, adopted biotech crops at unprecedented rates. The most compelling and credible testimony to biotech crops is that during the 17 year period 1996 to 2012, millions of farmers in ~30 countries worldwide, elected to make more than 100 million independent decisions to plant and replant an accumulated hectarage of more than 1.5 billion hectares – an area 50% larger than the total land mass of the US or China – there is one principal and overwhelming reason that underpins the trust and confidence of risk-averse farmers in biotechnology – biotech crops deliver substantial, and sustainable, socio-economic and environmental benefits. The 2011 study conducted in Europe confirmed that biotech crops are safe.

Spot the deliberate mislead yet?

Okay I'll give you a clue....accumulated hectares from 1996 to 2012.

Incidentally, that paragraph alone should be enough to ward off all but the indocible.

Now go away and read Frankenstein. You may learn more than you think.

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by piwanoi

What I should have wrote is GM food is now being grown world wide on a bigger land mass than the USA , here all the stats

The OP has a good title...Why is it wrong?

You have been misled by the wording piwanoi, allow me to explain.

A record 170.3 million hectares of biotech crops were grown globally in 2012

That's ~ 656,373 sq miles or approx 17.3% of the land mass of the USA (~3.79million sq miles).

In the period 1996 to 2012, millions of farmers in ~30 countries worldwide, adopted biotech crops at unprecedented rates. The most compelling and credible testimony to biotech crops is that during the 17 year period 1996 to 2012, millions of farmers in ~30 countries worldwide, elected to make more than 100 million independent decisions to plant and replant an accumulated hectarage of more than 1.5 billion hectares – an area 50% larger than the total land mass of the US or China – there is one principal and overwhelming reason that underpins the trust and confidence of risk-averse farmers in biotechnology – biotech crops deliver substantial, and sustainable, socio-economic and environmental benefits. The 2011 study conducted in Europe confirmed that biotech crops are safe.

Spot the deliberate mislead yet?

Okay I'll give you a clue....accumulated hectares from 1996 to 2012.

Incidentally, that paragraph alone should be enough to ward off all but the indocible.

Now go away and read Frankenstein. You may learn more than you think.

Well If we live long enough lets see what accumulated hectares are 5 years from now , IMHO it will increase quite dramatically ,there is no other way to feed the ever increasing worlds population , otherwise if there was they would be doing it right now instead of growing GM ,Its that simple .

By the year 2012 17.3 million farmers world wide was growing GM crops ,undoubtedly this has increased as current information show its increasing inexorably year in year out ,its also been confirmed that GM crops are safe to grow by the 2011 study conducted in Europe ,these are facts! and you ask me to read the fictitious load of bollocks about the Frankenstein monster, as if I could learn something by it ,well sorry I try as best I can to deal in facts , just what do you suggest ,force the millions of farmers to cease growing GM crops and go back decades to "traditional" farming like ploughing the fields with Ox or horse driven ploughs ? ,just what is your answer to feeding the ever increasing population ? take all the land off the rich "Kulaks" and turn it over to a socialist inclined state , we all know how that little experiment turned out don't we , I have thrown my hat in the ring and plainly said (along with many experts in the field) that the only way forward is through Science and modern technology to produce more food with the same amount of land or even producing food on land which now cannot , of course if you have an alternative to this by all means put your views forward ,I for one am looking forward to reading them

Of course the Answer is quite easy for all you luddites out there who condemn root and branch without any real knowledge whatsoever ,just how are we going to feed the Worlds ever increasing population with the same amount of arable land?, I await your answers , meanwhile this article spells the truth of the problem we are now facing , it must really gall you lot when you cannot give me a viable solution to the problem , instead in true left wing style you choose to adopt personal insults to me and try to shout me down for having the sheer audacity to put a view forward which in truth you have not a fucking clue you cannot suggest an alternative or request that the thread be closed ,you lot really are pathetic , heres just another article that will be totally ignored ,Scared Of Genetically Modified Food? It Might Be The Only Way To Feed The World | Co.Exist | ideas + impact Any way off now cos I have just downloaded a movie about Mary Shellies Frankenstein , after all one never knows it might contain a little secret in how to feed the worlds ever increasing population with the same amount of land .

hERE IS THE

Here is the German Agricultural Minister a few years back grilling one of Monsanto's leading scientists about the safety in consuming GM FOODS, not for the squeamish I may add

Originally Posted by piwanoi

By the year 2012 17.3 million farmers world wide was growing GM crops ,undoubtedly this has increased as current information show its increasing inexorably year in year out ,its also been confirmed that GM crops are safe to grow by the 2011 study conducted in Europe ,these are facts! and you ask me to read the fictitious load of bollocks about the Frankenstein monster, as if I could learn something by it ,well sorry I try as best I can to deal in facts , just what do you suggest ,force the millions of farmers to cease growing GM crops and go back decades to "traditional" farming like ploughing the fields with Ox or horse driven ploughs ?

Oh lordy lordy! You do like to prove to one and all that you really are an indocible galoot.

You say you deal in facts and yet when I (rather satisfyingly, I may add) debunked your drivel you continue with the poppycock. It would have been a lot nicer of you to have thanked me for showing you the error in your comprehension.

Here is one of many Frankenstein reviews:

Mary Shelley began writing Frankenstein when she was only eighteen. At once a Gothic thriller, a passionate romance, and a cautionary tale about the dangers of science, Frankenstein tells the story of committed science student Victor Frankenstein. Obsessed with discovering the cause of generation and life and bestowing animation upon lifeless matter, Frankenstein assembles a human being from stolen body parts but; upon bringing it to life, he recoils in horror at the creature's hideousness. Tormented by isolation and loneliness, the once-innocent creature turns to evil and unleashes a campaign of murderous revenge against his creator, Frankenstein.

Frankenstein, an instant bestseller and an important ancestor of both the horror and science fiction genres, not only tells a terrifying story, but also raises profound, disturbing questions about the very nature of life and the place of humankind within the cosmos: What does it mean to be human? What responsibilities do we have to each other? How far can we go in tampering with Nature? In our age, filled with news of organ donation genetic engineering, and bio-terrorism, these questions are more relevant than ever.

I took the liberty of highlighting why it is pertinent to the discussion.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Of course the Answer is quite easy for all you luddites out there who condemn root and branch without any real knowledge whatsoever ,just how are we going to feed the Worlds ever increasing population with the same amount of arable land?, I await your answers

The same amount of arable land? What is the increase in desert size per year (Gobi desert for instance) Have you got some facts to show us on that?

Perhaps instead of concentrating solely on what to grow, some effort should be made on where. How to conserve arable land and make it more fertile and how to ensure adequate drainage and water supply.

Any way off now cos I have just downloaded a movie about Mary Shellies Frankenstein , after all one never knows it might contain a little secret in how to feed the worlds ever increasing population with the same amount of land

A told you to read the book not watch a movie based on it. If nothing else you would improve your reading skills.

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Of course the Answer is quite easy for all you luddites out there who condemn root and branch without any real knowledge whatsoever ,just how are we going to feed the Worlds ever increasing population with the same amount of arable land?, I await your answers

The same amount of arable land? What is the increase in desert size per year (Gobi desert for instance) Have you got some facts to show us on that?

Perhaps instead of concentrating solely on what to grow, some effort should be made on where. How to conserve arable land and make it more fertile and how to ensure adequate drainage and water supply.

Any way off now cos I have just downloaded a movie about Mary Shellies Frankenstein , after all one never knows it might contain a little secret in how to feed the worlds ever increasing population with the same amount of land

A told you to read the book not watch a movie based on it. If nothing else you would improve your reading skills.

You failed to answer a simple question , how are we going to feed the ever increasing population with the same amount of arable land?, the ever increasing encroachment of the Worlds deserts only compounds the problem even more , one only has to Google up for Desert encroachment to know the answer to that with out asking me ,how do they stop it ? you tell me cos I do not know and by the looks of things neither does any one else ,GM farming and farmers are increasing year in year out thats a proven fact ,and until they can find an alternative it will continue to do so ,as far as I am aware no one has died through eating GM food ,and yet no one says anything about the 5 million deaths a year world wide from smoking related illness's .

And even if they find some Magic cure to stop the Worlds Desert encroachment you are still left with the same amount of Arable land ,its quite OK knowing about the Problem but going about curing it World wide is quite another story .

Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by piwanoi

By the year 2012 17.3 million farmers world wide was growing GM crops ,undoubtedly this has increased as current information show its increasing inexorably year in year out ,its also been confirmed that GM crops are safe to grow by the 2011 study conducted in Europe ,these are facts! and you ask me to read the fictitious load of bollocks about the Frankenstein monster, as if I could learn something by it ,well sorry I try as best I can to deal in facts , just what do you suggest ,force the millions of farmers to cease growing GM crops and go back decades to "traditional" farming like ploughing the fields with Ox or horse driven ploughs ?

Oh lordy lordy! You do like to prove to one and all that you really are an indocible galoot.

You say you deal in facts and yet when I (rather satisfyingly, I may add) debunked your drivel you continue with the poppycock. It would have been a lot nicer of you to have thanked me for showing you the error in your comprehension.

Here is one of many Frankenstein reviews:

Mary Shelley began writing Frankenstein when she was only eighteen. At once a Gothic thriller, a passionate romance, and a cautionary tale about the dangers of science, Frankenstein tells the story of committed science student Victor Frankenstein. Obsessed with discovering the cause of generation and life and bestowing animation upon lifeless matter, Frankenstein assembles a human being from stolen body parts but; upon bringing it to life, he recoils in horror at the creature's hideousness. Tormented by isolation and loneliness, the once-innocent creature turns to evil and unleashes a campaign of murderous revenge against his creator, Frankenstein.

Frankenstein, an instant bestseller and an important ancestor of both the horror and science fiction genres, not only tells a terrifying story, but also raises profound, disturbing questions about the very nature of life and the place of humankind within the cosmos: What does it mean to be human? What responsibilities do we have to each other? How far can we go in tampering with Nature? In our age, filled with news of organ donation genetic engineering, and bio-terrorism, these questions are more relevant than ever.

I took the liberty of highlighting why it is pertinent to the discussion.

What load of science fiction bollox you write its almost as comical has your idol Troy tempest the TV puppet , Shellys book was nothing but pure fiction , if you want to read a real book or watch the movie about the advancement in medical science and how now it can help people live a new life instead of them being side show material same as John Merrick "the Elephant man", plenty of young kids are born with terrible facial disfigurements and through plastic surgery (unheard of in Shellys time) IF you want to know about how medical science has changed peoples lives you cannot do any better than watching the story about "the Boy David" who was plucked from obscurity in South America with just two eyes and a hole in his skull ,after over 100 operations spanning many years the boy was given a new face by a Scottish plastic surgeon ,these are FACTS not some way out theory of yours ,I suggest you read this article , I dare say most public library,may have the book ,it will be under the "FACT" section ,here is the article as to whether you read it or not is entirely your prerogative DRG.tv

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Originally Posted by piwanoi

Of course the Answer is quite easy for all you luddites out there who condemn root and branch without any real knowledge whatsoever ,just how are we going to feed the Worlds ever increasing population with the same amount of arable land?, I await your answers

How are you going to water all your GM crops when there is'nt even enough water to go arround ?
Have you tried fruits and vegies made in America ? Taste like shit or should I say nothing at all.
The soil can not support your crops made by "Frankenstein Corp." Already now our soil is being over fertilized by chemicals. These super crops will need even more chemicals because they are growing stronger and better. And our drinking water will be polluted even more.
How are you going to still the thirst of the Worlds ever increasing population should be the right question. Why feed the Worlds ever increasing population ? Because of now there is more money to be made with fat people then drinking water. Not because of some poor kid dying of hunger in Africa or else.

Oh and the answer is....
If those fat overweight countries would stop eating like pigs and wasting resources there will be enough to go arround. But surely "Frankenstein Corp." stocks will go down or even disappear.

The fiendish Dr Monsanto tried to GMO a peanut, and piwi was the unfortunate mutation. Mistakes do happen, yer honor.

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Originally Posted by Troy

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Of course the Answer is quite easy for all you luddites out there who condemn root and branch without any real knowledge whatsoever ,just how are we going to feed the Worlds ever increasing population with the same amount of arable land?, I await your answers

How are you going to water all your GM crops when there is'nt even enough water to go arround ?
Have you tried fruits and vegies made in America ? Taste like shit or should I say nothing at all.
The soil can not support your crops made by "Frankenstein Corp." Already now our soil is being over fertilized by chemicals. These super crops will need even more chemicals because they are growing stronger and better. And our drinking water will be polluted even more.
How are you going to still the thirst of the Worlds ever increasing population should be the right question. Why feed the Worlds ever increasing population ? Because of now there is more money to be made with fat people then drinking water. Not because of some poor kid dying of hunger in Africa or else.

Hey Brain dead if there's no water for GM crops the same goes for conventional grown ones too, so whats the difference?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Oh and the answer is....
If those fat overweight countries would stop eating like pigs and wasting resources there will be enough to go arround. But surely "Frankenstein Corp." stocks will go down or even disappear.

why not do a little research instead of runnig off vat the mouth , you could start by reading the article in my post 154 , but of course you won't cos you know more than all the Worlds agricultural scientists put together , you write in your earlier post about water being polluted , are you aware that Paraquat is manufactured and widely used all over Thailand under the brand name "Gramoxone" many farmers die through ingesting it whilst spraying crops (which we eat) with no protection ,that is a matter of fact ,not some fucking raving of an ill informed cretin , tests have been done and its a matter of record that paraquat has been found in the Water in Thailand , here is another article for you and your like minded ilk to completly ignore ,and BTW GM foods are now being grown by over 17 million farmers in 30 different Countries not just the USA .Effect o... [J Environ Sci Health A Tox Hazard Subst Environ Eng. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI

The European food safety Authority (EFSA) have stated quite clearly that the Consuming of GM food is perfectly safe after 25 years of millions of people eating over two trillion meals containing GM foodstuff , the link is here for you ignoramus's to read but of course you won't instead you will carry on with trying to shout me down (totally futile ,without producing a shred of evidence to back your ranting's up Are GM crops safe for human and animal health and the environment? | Europabio

Hey Herman and all you other brain deads ,it appears that the EU has got it all wrong too , cos since April 2012 a total of 47 different GM crops were approved by the EU and are being Imported by them , heres another article for you lot to dismiss out of hand Which GM crops and products can be imported into the EU? | Europabio

Now now you factless whingers and prophets of doom, FFS don't abandon this thread just yet, carry on with your personal insults because I get so much pleasure from them , knowing full well thats the only thing you ignorant Kunts can come up with to silence me ,close the thread ,it does not belong here and all the bollox ,anything but give me actual facts that modern day GM food is dangerous when the EU has passed all the GM foods on the market are safe , is any fucker in their right mind trying to inform me that food hygiene and safety here in Thailand of which you HAVE to eat every day is the subject of strict Govt regulations is far superior than Europe or America? now come you plonkers out there ,just inform me why GM food is injurious to ours and Animals that eat it's health, not just your rabid words but actual solid evidence ,but then again you can't can you you ,so you have to resort to the usual left wing habit of trying to shout some one down ,not cos you have evidence to the contrary ,but just cos you do not agree with it ,RIP free speech this is the latest GM product to hit the markets , no doubt tens of thousands will die from eating it BBC News - Genetically-modified purple tomatoes heading for shops

Piwiannoy only listens when he is talking. Everything else is denied or ignored. He is of course, a world renowned expert on everything.
Don't dare to challenge him. He will insult you.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Piwiannoy only listens when he is talking. Everything else is denied or ignored. He is of course, a world renowned expert on everything.
Don't dare to challenge him. He will insult you.

The World renowned experts from the EU in my posts 168 and 169 say it all that GM foods are safe and that 47 different GM foods and other crops are being imported into the EU since April 2012 ,Challenge their findings not me , produce something which says they have got it all wrong , But what do they know in comparison to "the league of experts" on TD , I had it right first time when I used the term "Luddite"

Heres another for you lot to totally ignore, all I am doing is posting articles written by people who have been studying food safety for Donkeys year , you do not have to Challenge me, Challenge their findings cos I'm only the messenger and do not write the message 2000+ Reasons Why GMOs Are Safe To Eat And Environmentally Sustainable - Forbes

Food safety for Donkeys ???