Thread: 1st time over a decade I have gone 24 hours without a cigarette

Originally Posted by Latindancer

In my opinion, quitting smoking is a lot similar to quitting other addictive things. Some of us have been addicted to alcohol, some of us to other substances......probably the most notable being marijuana. Whether the addiction is physical, psychological or both, the process is similar. It involves our minds, and the most prominent thing we do when continuing the addiction (once it has been recognized) is RATIONALIZE continuing it. We make excuses to ourselves which seem quite reasonable.
The physical addiction just makes it worse. However the number of people who have been able to go cold turkey (and I agree that some people can not) goes to show the power of the mind.
It's this process of rationalization that I am interested in. I've also recognized it in myself.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

It is also said that it helps to make your last experience a bad one, if possible. I myself got sick a couple of times from the combination of alcohol and nicotine.
I think that giving oneself a good fright also helps. This activates the emotional/subconscious part of the brain. Ways of doing this include looking at articles which describe the last stages of lung/throat/tongue cancer. Photos too, of people with tubes coming out of them.
The actor Yul Brynner died of smoking-related cancer and said he wished he'd never touched the bloody things (or words to that effect).

Though I say so myself, I consider this to be excellent reasoned advice because it deals with our mental processes holding the addiction in place.


MAMA MIA ! I make-a such-a good contribute to this-a thread, but nobody remember.
But I fcuk-a ONE pig, and nobody ever forget !

Having improved my herbal mix for quitting tobacco I took a pinch of it last evening and its effect is to loosen up any residual old tarry deposits in my lungs so that I can gently cough it all out easily.

That particular mix of four herbs works far more effectively than lobelia on its own to
a) negate the urge to smoke
b) incease lung and circulatory capacity
c) loosen up and expectorate all trapped foreign matter in the lungs.

I'm coughing up and spitting out more black specks (tars and unburnt hydrocarbons) than in the first couple of weeks of quitting tobacco.

Most definitely the lobelia stops the craving and expands the bronchiolli and gotu kola increases the feeling of well being by improving on lobelia's effects, while sage is the chief expectorant.

I've got to look further into how gotu kola works, as it's effects are described as working best as a tonic, so a regular long term use of the herb is necessary. So far, I enjoy it's effect of "loosening the joints", relaxing them and helping release trapped uric acid and fluorapatite crystals, both of which contribute to gout, arthritis, osteofluorosis, osteoarthritis and stiff joints and tendons.

In conjunction with lobelia, gotu kola may be very effective in alleviating symptoms and possibly removing some of the cause of the above skeleto-muscular diseases.

So that's the spin off of quitting smoking, one becomes more aware of one's health and how to improve it in ways other than simply not smoking.

Some tobacco quitters start a new healthy living regimen, but all start a new life.

Addictions often come in multiples. If a person has one addiction there is often a secondary one accompanying it.
That addiction can be to anything, from a drug to a behaviour pattern.

Each of us has a residual co-addiction that we can turn to when the primary addiction is being negated or neutralised. The most common ones are another drug or drugs, food, alcohol, sex and compulsive behaviour.

So check out what your co-adiction is as you give up tobacco. Can you reduce your dependency on that secondary "crutch"? Do so, gradually, noting when and how you feel drawn to that.

The big trick with quitting tobacco is to understand that tobacco addiction is a habit, which is a learned response to something, and like all learned or acquired responses it can be un-learned.

In un-learning a habit, a substitute response to the original trigger can be learned in place of the old addiction habit of, in this case, smoking.

The substitute response for a lot of tobacco quitters is often food, or a another drug or drink or other co-addiction or habit,

Try to find another response altogether, something entirely new, like for instance, sitting still.
By doing so, there is no tangible, physical or extraneous substance or action involved.

Only a sensation of (in fact) nothing in particular. After a few moments any thought or urge for a substitute co-addictive substance or behaviour ceases.

Another old trick is to say to yourself,"Later".
Later is always in the future, it never comes, so the urge is relegated to a time that won't arrive.

I like to engross myself in painting or playing music when not studying or writing or just sitting.

Anyway, how're you all doing with your no smoking efforts?

I hope you're all over the hump.

Good luck.

Originally Posted by ENT

I'm coughing up and spitting out more black specks (tars and unburnt hydrocarbons) than in the first couple of weeks of quitting tobacco.

gross

maybe that is not from the tobacco

It could as easily be Chiangmai air pollution.

or Lobelia extract polluting your system

Lobelia inflata should be safe to use in very small doses but it has been known to be toxic even at relatively low doses and in some countries this herb is scheduled, meaning its sale is restricted. Some practitioners argue that if lobelia could be produced in standardised form, where Lobeline is at a guaranteed dose, then this herb would be safer to prescribe.

Cases of lobelia toxic waste being expelled from the lungs have been noted, as have severe symptoms of "false" sputum

Toxic doses of lobelia will give rise to symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, convulsions and can be fatal. Lobelia should be used only under the guidance of a qualified herbalist experienced in the use of this herb.

Originally Posted by ENT

the above last paragraph is a statement issued by one of Big Pharma's companies who attempted to get lobelia totally banned because it is such an effective herb.

wrong, it was not

it was from a Herbal site which was promoting Lobelia but also warning of any side effects

anything negative about Lobelia does not have to be from "the big Pharma cos", as there are true negative side effects

as with any toxic herb, the dose you use is very important

Originally Posted by ENT

The toxic waste your article refers to is not lobelia, but other toxins in the lung which lobelia, acting as an expectorant (similar to sage) causes to be expelled.

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Cases of lobelia toxic waste being expelled from the lungs have been noted, as have severe symptoms of "false" sputum

seems not

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by ENT

the above last paragraph is a statement issued by one of Big Pharma's companies who attempted to get lobelia totally banned because it is such an effective herb.

wrong, it was not

it was from a Herbal site which was promoting Lobelia but also warning of any side effects

Give the reference to your source of information so that we can all read it then.

Old news,

It's been posted before and anyone with any intelligence can see that it's just negative propaganda put out by Big Pharma. Read the cross referencing in Wiki.

I've already stated in several posts in this thread that there's an to overdose level at aproximatey a handful of the dried herb if eaten.

Then again, eating the same volume (about 8 oz) of salt will kill you, so who's gonna do that.

You and Andy are sick in the head giving negative feedback in a thread about smoking cessation.

The only people who claim that lobelia is ineffective in stopping smoking are drug companies with a vested interest in other chemicals instead, including nicotine.

Originally Posted by ENT

You ain't no doctor, dumbo.

You haven't got the IQ necessary to even read a uni paper let alone pass one.

And what are your qualifications exactly ENT ?

Originally Posted by ENT

Having improved my herbal mix for quitting tobacco

Good luck with that dipshit, i see you already have some of the side effects listed below, I've diagnosed your current situation in yellow

The use of herbs is a time honored approach to strengthening the body and treating disease. Herbs, however, contain substances that can trigger side effects and interact with other herbs, supplements, or medications. For these reasons, you should take herbs with care, under the supervision of a health care provider.

Lobelia is considered a potentially toxic herb. It can cause serious side effects, such as profuse sweating, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, tremors, rapid heartbeat, mental confusion, convulsions, hypothermia, coma, and possibly even death.



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Originally Posted by ENT

Give the reference to your source of information so that we can all read it then.

Originally Posted by ENT

You haven't got the IQ necessary to even read a uni paper let alone pass one.

errr, I am too thick to know how to do that, can you help me?

Originally Posted by Dillinger

And what are your qualifications exactly ENT ?

he is a know-all and specialist bullshitter (Oxon)

he is happy to quote all the positive parts of any link, then fails to read the negative side (or ignores it because it does not sit well with him)

the thing is bENT, many herbs, including Lobelia, do have negative side effects if not properly used. If you are just taking some in leaf form, you have no idea how much of the drug is in that, so cannot control your intake

Originally Posted by ENT

You and Andy are sick in the head giving negative feedback in a thread about smoking cessation.

Lobelia has little do do with stopping smoking, it is just another crutch that may help the initial physical addiction but it cannot overcome the mental addiction

Originally Posted by ENT

The only people who claim that lobelia is ineffective in stopping smoking are drug companies with a vested interest in other chemicals instead, including nicotine.

not true, as has been shown by several quotes and links

but, as said, that is immaterial; the physical addiction it could help only lasts a few days

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by ENT

Give the reference to your source of information so that we can all read it then.

Originally Posted by ENT

You haven't got the IQ necessary to even read a uni paper let alone pass one.

errr, I am too thick to know how to do that, can you help me?

Originally Posted by Dillinger

And what are your qualifications exactly ENT ?

he is happy to quote all the positive parts of any link, then fails to read the negative side (or ignores it because it does not sit well with him)

.....many herbs, including Lobelia, do have negative side effects if not properly used. If you are just taking some in leaf form, you have no idea how much of the drug is in that, so cannot control your intake

G'day again maggot.

I've posted on all sides of the subject re. the use of lobelia that I know of, including its negative effects.

You're just trolling as usual, AnalAndy.

Your mental level and lack of ability to give reference to your sources certainly indicates that you're close to the level of a class "A" moron, as someone of an average IQ of 100 can do that.

We all know that herbs have both positive or negative effects, depending on dosage and the person using them.
That's why I've advocated that one should consult a herbalist or a doctor if one has any problem re taking lobelia, ie as in having cardio-vascular problems, which can arise in any situation including pregnancy.

There again, any pregnant woman who smokes or takes alcohol during gestation is putting her baby at risk, and should most certainly be under the guidance of her doctor, midwife or other competent medical professional.

The thing is Anal Andy, I do know something (much as you wish to believe otherwise) about medicine and healing practices, which you obviously don't, neither do any of you trolls and detractors on this thread.

My qualifications are adequate to my profession, as yours are to your profession as a blocky.

Now, why don't you toddle off and suck in some more dust, that's a good chap.
I'm sure you'd enjoy that as you predatorily cycle silently around the quiet sois of Chiangmai.

Bump into any young Burmese chaps lately, AnalAndy?

(PS. do you cough and fart simultaneouisly these days? Maybe overuse of the vaseline, eh.)

Originally Posted by ENT

You and Andy are sick in the head giving negative feedback in a thread about smoking cessation.

I wasn't. I was cautioning the use of a herb which as Dillinger just pointed out, has potentially serious effects. I was being negative to YOU.....and you are not this thread. Though you have tried to make it your own and be a know-all.

Originally Posted by ENT

We all know that herbs have both positive or negative effects, depending on dosage and the person using them.

we DON'T all know that, unless you somehow know everyone reading Teakdoor.

Originally Posted by ENT

That's why I've advocated that one should consult a herbalist or a doctor if one has any problem re taking lobelia, ie as in having cardio-vascular problems, which can arise in any situation including pregnancy.

And if you did this, it certainly was not very clear.....which it needs to be. You were touting it's use willy-nilly, to the extent that other people here were saying they were tired of your advocating it's use.

Originally Posted by ENT

The thing is Anal Andy, I do know something (much as you wish to believe otherwise) about medicine and healing practices, which you obviously don't, neither do any of you trolls and detractors on this thread. My qualifications are adequate to my profession, as yours are to your profession as a blocky. Now, why don't you toddle off and suck in some more dust, that's a good chap.

This is hilarious in light of your recent admission that you contracted aspergillosis in the course of your profession. Not to mention the simple block-headedness of being and rationalizing being a smoker for FIFTY YEARS ! Blimey !

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Originally Posted by ENT

You and Andy are sick in the head giving negative feedback in a thread about smoking cessation.

I wasn't. I was cautioning the use of a herb which as Dillinger just pointed out, has potentially serious effects. I was being negative to YOU.....and you are not this thread. Though you have tried to make it your own and be a know-all.

Originally Posted by ENT

We all know that herbs have both positive or negative effects, depending on dosage and the person using them.

we DON'T all know that, unless you somehow know everyone reading Teakdoor.

Originally Posted by ENT

That's why I've advocated that one should consult a herbalist or a doctor if one has any problem re taking lobelia, ie as in having cardio-vascular problems, which can arise in any situation including pregnancy.

And if you did this, it certainly was not very clear.....which it needs to be. You were touting it's use willy-nilly, to the extent that other people here were saying they were tired of your advocating it's use.

You aren't the people, much as you may flatter yourself.

I've advocated the use of several herbs on this thread, and have advised readers to search the net to get further information and guidance on it as well as to consult a herbalist doctor or medical authority if in doubt.
And yes, we all (obviously all reading Teakdoor) do know that, dimwit.

And yes again, anyone familiar with Teakdoor know of your continual stalking trolling and derailing of any thread I post on, if you can get away with it,

Why don't you hurry back to ThaiVisa where you come from, dead-head?

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Originally Posted by ENT

The thing is Anal Andy, I do know something (much as you wish to believe otherwise) about medicine and healing practices, which you obviously don't, neither do any of you trolls and detractors on this thread. My qualifications are adequate to my profession, as yours are to your profession as a blocky. Now, why don't you toddle off and suck in some more dust, that's a good chap.

This .... in light... that you contracted aspergillosis in the course of your profession. Not to mention the simple being a smoker for FIFTY YEARS ! Blimey !

Correct, and through the use of various herbs, vitamins and a healthy lifestyle I've now got a clean bill of health, which you don't have, even at your younger age of 57.

Originally Posted by ENT

I've now got a clean bill of health

Although most people are often exposed to aspergillus, infections caused by the fungus rarely occur in people who have a normal immune system

Originally Posted by DrAndy

no, just making sure that you were still alive

He may not be for too much longer. FIFTY YEARS is a lot of tar buildup.

Originally Posted by ENT

I've now got a clean bill of health, which you don't have, even at your younger age of 57.

You're dreaming, ENTerococcus. I haven't smoked tobacco since the late 1970s.

Originally Posted by DrAndy

infections caused by the fungus rarely occur in people who have a normal immune system

Originally Posted by ENT

Bullshit. It's a common caver's infection and often occurs among hilltribe folk in Thailand's coffee growing areas.

there you are then, bENT, your beloved Google can be wrong

^ Says the Googler.