Thread: Suthep: Retention of CRES necessary

^ ok, so all you are capable of, are cookie cutter responses from the same script. I was hoping you were actually capable if thinking about this and engaging in a debate. My mistake for assuming so. Don't waste my time any further with your scripted replies.

Can I continue to waste your time with my unscripted replies?

^ You are saying that a government using an emergency decree without limit is okay; difficult to have a discussion when that's your premise.

You seem to believe in a system where the voice of the majority is irrelevent, where control by force rather than election is fine, where the most corrupt govt who are using military backers to steal as much money as possible is fine, where a draconian military group ISOC/CRES controlling the country is fine?

Can I ask you: do you think the political situcation in Myanmar is okay?

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Can I continue to waste your time with my unscripted replies?

That should prove difficult from here on ...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

^ You are saying that a government using an emergency decree without limit is okay; difficult to have a discussion when that's your premise.

You seem to believe in a system where the voice of the majority is irrelevent, where control by force rather than election is fine, where the most corrupt govt who are using military backers to steal as much money as possible is fine, where a draconian military group ISOC/CRES controlling the country is fine?

Can I ask you: do you think the political situcation in Myanmar is okay?

As you are only capable of arguing with extremes and strawmen, any further discussion with you is pointless, as you continuously prove - especially if you are unable to see the differences between Thailand and Burma, and feel like equating them in an effort to force your argument.

All I see is that you remain unable to provide an answer to a simple question - how do you suggest they ought to implement your rosy solutions? (don't bother, I don't expect a response that demonstrates having thought about it, from you anymore)

You're not keen to answer question logical questions are you Daffy; just straight onto silly attacks.

I'll repeat: even though your position is exceptionally weak, try to discuss/argue, or just concede... easy.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

You're not keen to answer question logical questions are you Daffy; just straight onto silly attacks.

I'll repeat: even though your position is exceptionally weak, try to discuss/argue, or just concede... easy.

All I see is that you remain unable to provide an answer to a simple question - how do you suggest they ought to implement your rosy solutions? (and thanks fir confirming why I don't expect a response from you that demonstrates having thought about it.)

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

You claim that "military law, emergency decrees and military controlled governments (CRES/ISOC) do not have any right to decide Thailand's fate", which begs the question -- according to whom?

Because you say so? Because the international community says so? Because some people in Thailand say so? Who, according to you, has the authority to claim HOW and by who Thailand's fate should be decided?

I really care more about outcomes, and so far, Thailand has enjoyed a longer period of stability than the prior two administrations have been able to provide - and it has a roadmap (no, not THE roadmap) on how to proceed both to address social and economic divides, but also towards regular elections.

Let me also ask you, as you decry the emergency decree, but how exactly is it affecting you, or affecting 95% of other Thais going about their business every day? The curfew has been lifted, there are no soldiers in the streets, there are no more violent protesters damaging property and killing others; I'm even sure that you can frequently see gatherings of more than 5 people, with no one getting arrested.

So, how is the continued existence of the emergency decree affecting anyone, right now?

PM stresses needs to retain state of emergency
Santibhap Ussavasodhi



BANGKOK, 13 June 2010 (NNT) – Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has stressed the need to retain the state of emergency enforcement to maintain peace and order in the country despite demands by many organizations to revoke the special law.

The prime minister reiterated that the government has the responsibility to ensure peace and stability, and the situation still prompts the state of emergency to remain. He personally believed that the majority of people would be affected if another rally was held. This was also the reason why all forms of media ranging from print, radio, television, to the internet should be regulated, said the Prime Minister.

Many organizations, including the National Human Rights Commission, the Amnesty International, as well as the opposition Puea Thai Party, have been requesting the Thai government to put an end to the state of emergency enforcement due to human rights violation concerns.

The prime minister said the requests of those organizations reflected their standpoints, but the Thai government must also perform its duties.

Prime Minister Abhisit also shrugged off criticisms against him expressed by the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship and the People’s Alliance for Democracy. He said he would try his best by upholding responsibility to do for common benefits.

thainews.prd.go.th

Originally Posted by Mid

The prime minister reiterated that the government has the responsibility to ensure peace and stability, and the situation still prompts the state of emergency to remain. He personally believed that the majority of people would be affected if another rally was held. This was also the reason why all forms of media ranging from print, radio, television, to the internet should be regulated, said the Prime Ministe

Honestly, the Reds only have themselves to blame for how this has turned out.

They had multiplace chances to turn this around, and turn this around their way, but instead they placed their trust into mysterious SMS' sent from overseas, that have yet to steer them right... Som nam naaa...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I just made him aware that I'm a capitalist who believes in the free market economy; I think that Marxist ideas are ridiculous; I also believe that capitalism should have checks and balances, and a social conscience.

These are great ideals (and I can't say I don't agree with some of them myself), but I keep asking a very simple question, which you seem unable to answer - how do you suggest for these to be implemented, knowing what you do about the social and political dynamics in Thailand?

Please explain.

^ Capitalism fails through greed. The free market economy is fine, as long as you have checks and balances (and free market forces rather than exploited and controlled market forces), alas the greedy fukers get rid of them and these are exactly the folk that cannot control themselves, and shouldn't be allowed to manage any system; i.e. the banking problem in the UK with the farking useless government handing them more cash - a great socialist that Scottish twat proved to be... of course how could he of known; only been involved in the centre of it for 15 years +...(probably now consults on 15 bank/financial institution boards at 100k per year) Should be hung, drawn and quatered.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I just made him aware that I'm a capitalist who believes in the free market economy

you made him aware of nothing, what the fuck does a carrying card capitalist mean ??? fuck all, so again you are talking out of your fat arse

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I think that Marxist ideas are ridiculous

yes and how ? please expand, and do you actually understand what it does ?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I also believe that capitalism should have checks and balances, and a social conscience.

CRES to assess emergency decree
16/06/2010

The Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation will assess whether there is a need to extend the state of emergency in Bangkok and 23 other provinces to contain the red-shirts after it expires on July 7, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said on Wednesday.

Mr Abhisit said Deputy Prime Mininister Suthep Thaugsuban, the CRES director, had told him the state of emergency might be lifted in certain provinces, but not all at the same time, depending on the situation.

The government still had to keep the activities of the red-shirts under watch and tobe sure would be no recurrence of anti-government activities after the emergency decree is lifted.

The CRES would send its recommendation to the cabinet to consider at its regular meeting on July 6, the day before the state of emergency decree expires.

The prime minister said tour operators had also been asked whether the emergency law was still necessary. If they thought it was no longer needed they could recommend to the CRES that the emergency be lifted in certain provinces even before the expiry date.

bangkokpost.com

CRES may extend emergency law imposition
Rungkarn Rujiwarangkul

BANGKOK, 16 June 2010 (NNT) – The Center for the Resolution of Emergency Situation (CRES) is considering extending the Emergency Decree imposition after it has found some suspicious movements of the anti-government United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) in some areas.

CRES and Army Spokesperson, Colonel Sansern Kaewkamnerd, said related authorities would discuss the continuation of the State of Emergency during 23-25 June before proposing their conclusion to the cabinet. According to the recent Army intelligence, there are still attempts by UDD supporters to use heavy weapons in instigating violence in some provinces. Officers are looking into the case and proceeding on legal action to curb the situation.

Meanwhile, Secretary-General of the National Security Council (NSC) Tawin Pleansri revealed that the list of 152 people suspected to be the source of fund for the recent UDD rally has been cut down to 86. In the latest development, an ad-hoc panel has been appointed to investigate the financial transactions of the 86 suspects.

thainews.prd.go.th

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

^ Capitalism fails through greed. The free market economy is fine, as long as you have checks and balances (and free market forces rather than exploited and controlled market forces), alas the greedy fukers get rid of them and these are exactly the folk that cannot control themselves, and shouldn't be allowed to manage any system; i.e. the banking problem in the UK with the farking useless government handing them more cash - a great socialist that Scottish twat proved to be... of course how could he of known; only been involved in the centre of it for 15 years +...(probably now consults on 15 bank/financial institution boards at 100k per year) Should be hung, drawn and quatered.

These are great generalized statements, but I keep asking a very simple question, which you seem unable to answer - how do you suggest for your changes to be implemented, knowing what you do about the social and political dynamics in Thailand?

Please explain. You seem unable to do so.

Why is that?

State of emergency in Bangkok to remain until by-election on July 25
June 18, 2010

The emergency decree will not be lifted during the by-election in capital Bangkok's constituency 6 on July 25 as demanded by the opposition Puea Thai Party, Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban said on Friday, the Bangkok Post' s website reported.

"It is not possible for the government to revoke the emergency decree during the by-election," the deputy premier in charge of security affairs said.

On June 15, Thailand's weekly cabinet meeting approved the July 25 by-election date for the Bangkok Constituency 6 according to a proposal of the country's Election Commission (EC).

The by-election is planned to fill the vacant House seat left by ruling Democrat MP Tiva Ngernyuang, who passed away recently.

The Bangkok Constituency 6 covers Bong Chok, Khlong Samwa, and Bueng Kum districts.

The Democrat Party is the country's leading ruling party, which is led by Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.

Though the anti-government protests ended on May 19, the Thai government has still maintained its enforcement of the state of emergency in order to ensure security for the public.

The state of emergency has been imposed from April 7, 2010, in 24 provinces of Thailand's 76 provinces, empowering police and army to control the then anti-government protests.

The death toll from a series of violent clashes between the " red-shirt" protestors and troops during March 12 to May 19 stood at 88 as some 1,885 others were wounded.

Source: Xinhua

english.people.com.cn

Suthep: Reds planning fresh unrest
21/06/2010

There have been meetings of red-shirt supporters of the United front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) in Thailand and overseas, and this is why the emergency decree cannot be revoked at the moment, Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban said on Monday.

Mr Suthep, who is in charge of security affairs, claimed that some groups of people were preparing to incite fresh violence after the emergency law in Bangkok and other provinces is lifted.

“The imposition of emergency law has helped curb unrest, but these groups are looking for an opportunity for incitement,” he said.

He said that once the situation truly returns to normal, the government will immediately revoke the special law.

The executive decree on public administration in emergency situations was declared in Bangkok and other provinces on April 7.

It can be declared for only three months at one time.

bangkokpost.com

^ No news there - the Reds themselves have declared that they intend to start fresh 'attacks' (their words) as soon as the Emergency Decree is lifted - which, frankly, certainly makes me wonder how dumb these guys really are.

Faced with such a statement, the government has no choice but to keep the emergency decree in place.

CRES to consider relaxing emergency decree enforcement: Suthep



BANGKOK, June 22 (TNA) - Thai Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thuagsuban said on Tuesday the Centre for the Resolution of Emergency Situation (CRES) may relax some requirements of the Emergency Decree to facilitate the upcoming Bangkok's by-election.

Mr Suthep, in his capacity as CRES director, made the remarks following complaints from many parties over the enforcement of the security law which may obstruct the by-election campaign.

The by-election is scheduled to be held July 25, to replace the late Democrat MP Thiwa Ngernyuang, who died of cancer on June 11.

The deputy premier said the Emergency Decree is needed to maintain law and order, adding that the candidates can still contest their election campaigns despite the enforcement of the special law.

Mr Suthep, however, said due to the complaints, a CRES legal team is reviewing some regulations said to be obstacles to the by-election, pending official notification from the Election Commission concerning the matter.

"Some regulations may be relaxed," Mr Suthep said. " The ban on gatherings of more than five people should not be a cause for concern of candidates during their election campaigns as the southern border provinces also held elections without any problems despite imposition of the law.”

The CRES director stated the emergency decree will be lifted immediately if the agency's situation assessment confirms the country is now safe, as the centre has no intention to prolong the enforcement of the special law.

The Thai government has enforced the State of Emergency in Bangkok since early April, followed by some other 23 provinces in the North and Northeast.

On May 19 a curfew was imposed in Bangkok and 23 provinces due to political unrest by anti-government Red Shirt protesters. The 11-day curfew was later revoked as the situation was under control.

The emergency decree remains in force as the government said that some Red Shirts are still attempting to incite disorder.

mcot.net

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingn...-in-many-areas


PM: Decree to be lifted in many areas

• Published: 24/06/2010 at 11:50 AM
• Online news: Breakingnews

The emergency decree would likely not be renewed in many areas when its enforcement expires on July 7, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said on Thursday.
"The Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situations will report its assessment of the further need for the state of emergency before it expires on July 7.

"I expect the emergency law will be revoked in many areas," Mr Abhisit said.

The state of emergency was declared in Bangkok on April 7 and extends to 23 other provinces to deal with the anti-government protests of the red-shirt United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship, which were dispersed by the military on May 19.

On the government's plan to purchase Thaicom Plc from Singapore-based Temasek Holdings, the premier said there were many ways to regain Thai ownerswhip of the satellite firm.

The government was considering three important factors - national security, economic value and the technical aspects of the orbit.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

The government was considering three important factors - national security, economic value and the technical aspects of the orbit.

I bet there are people on here who actually believe that.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

^ No news there - the Reds themselves have declared that they intend to start fresh 'attacks' (their words) as soon as the Emergency Decree is lifted - which, frankly, certainly makes me wonder how dumb these guys really are.

Faced with such a statement, the government has no choice but to keep the emergency decree in place.

Pretty much at the heart of the matter.
If you KNOW they are just waiting for this... let them wait.
It's not really affecting most people,
just those intent on causing trouble for their own profit.