Thread: Suthep: Retention of CRES necessary

Suthep: Retention of CRES necessary
Rungkarn Rujiwarangkul

BANGKOK, 8 June 2010 (NNT) – Director of the Center for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES) Suthep Thaugsuban insists the agency still has to remain although the overall political situation in the country has returned to normal.

Deputy Prime Minister for Security Affairs Suthep Thaugsuban, as the director of the CRES, stated that it was deemed necessary to continue the operation of the state’s ad hoc unit CRES as well as the imposition of the emergency decree.

Mr Suthep said the retention of both the law and the operation center would allow officers to work more efficiently on returning peace and order to the society as soon as possible. The authority is in pursuit of numbers of felons and has successfully made an arrest on many.

The government will consider lifting the State of Emergency when the situation is deemed appropriate.

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This is as bad as it gets really...

Originally Posted by Mid

Director of the Center for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES) Suthep Thaugsuban insists the agency still has to remain although the overall political situation in the country has returned to normal.

How do you reasonably justify that then?

Originally Posted by Mid

stated that it was deemed necessary to continue the operation of the state’s ad hoc unit CRES as well as the imposition of the emergency decree.

To bypass the rule of law in a covert and unaccountable manner...

Originally Posted by Mid

The government will consider lifting the State of Emergency when the situation is deemed appropriate.

Very worryingly worded...

Originally Posted by Mid

although the overall political situation in the country has returned to normal.

for the attention of tourists and foreign investors

Originally Posted by Mid

necessary to continue the operation of the state’s ad hoc unit CRES as well as the imposition of the emergency decree.

for domestic consumption whilst we continue reconciliation

Normal. I reckon that could be defined diversely. Normal.

perfectly necessary, the blackshirt terrorists are still out there

Originally Posted by Butterfly

perfectly necessary, the blackshirt terrorists are still out there

Terrorism can be observed everyday. This of course, depending on one's blind bias.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

perfectly necessary, the blackshirt terrorists are still out there

be afraid , be very afraid

CRES: Emergency Decree remains necessary
Weeranuwat Saengsawang

BANGKOK, 11 June 2010 (NNT) - The declaration of the State of Emergency is still needed in an effort to maintain peace and order in the country, according to the government's Center for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES).

In his capacity as the CRES Director, Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thuagsuban chaired a meeting of the center on Friday with the attendance of several high-ranking government authorities. The session focused on a discussion on the necessity of the continuation of the Emergency Decree in Bangkok and 23 other provinces.

The CRES resolved to continue imposing the State of Emergency in all designated zones in a bid to prevent recurrences of the anti-government movements, which were still evident in some areas. In addition, the center has urged the National Security Council (NSC) to speedily compile all evidence and information related to the 19 May riots and distribute them to the public in the form of VCDs.

The key state officials present at the meeting included Defense Minister Prawit Wongsuwan, Permanent Secretary for Defense General Apichart Penkitti, Army Chief General Anupong Paochinda, Navy Chief Admiral Kamthorn Phumhiran, Air Force Chief Air Chief Marshal Itthiporn Supawong, Deputy Army Chief General Prayuth Chanocha, Assistant Army Chief General Teerawat Boonyapradap, Assistant Army Chief General Wit Thephasdin na Ayudhya and Army Chief-of-Staff General Pirun Paewpolsong.

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You've got a hardline 'government within a government', being the CRES.
And the Dem's have a majority in Parliament thanks only to a fractured, squabbling coalition.
How must this look to a foreign Diplomat? Like Thai politics I suppose.
The Emergency decree should be lifted sooner rather than later, and the CRES disbanded forthwith.
I presume Abhi is politically savvy enough to know he's being made to look like a fool.

Originally Posted by sabang

I presume Abhi is politically savvy enough to know he's being made to look like a fool.

not really, but thanks for trying

Govt retains State of Emergency enforcement

BANGKOK, 13 June 2010 (NNT) - The declaration of the State of Emergency is still needed in a bid to maintain peace and order within the kingdom, according to Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban.

Deputy Prime Minister Suthep, in his capacity as the CRES Director revealed that the government would continue enforcing the State of Emergency in Bangkok and 23 other provinces in an attempt to prevent the anti-government movements, which still existed in those designated areas.

Meanwhile, Deputy Interior Minister Boonjong Wongtrairat was responding the opposition Puea Thai Party's statement over the government's operation to decisively hunt down anti-government leaders which could hamper the national reconciliation plan by saying that the state authorities had no policy to execute such action. He elaborated that the ministry has instructed all provincial governors to monitor the anti-government rallies as well as provide full assistance to those in trouble.

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Here's the point he is alluding to, I think.

The emergency decree has helped a return to order. The concern is that the moment it were to be lifted, the disruptive elements would see it as an opportunity to resume their attempts at violent disruptions. - and they will, if given the chance.

By maintaining the emergency decree, the gov't send the message that it is not letting up vigilance, and retains the lawful right, under the decree, to arrest and detain suspects or violators that aim to stir up trouble again.

Just because things have calmed down, doesn't mean the disruptive elements have disappeared. Letting off your guard right now would be the wrong thing to do.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Here's the point he is alluding to, I think.

The emergency decree has helped a return to order. The concern is that the moment it were to be lifted, the disruptive elements would see it as an opportunity to resume their attempts at violent disruptions. - and they will, if given the chance.

By maintaining the emergency decree, the gov't send the message that it is not letting up vigilance, and retains the lawful right, under the decree, to arrest and detain suspects or violators that aim to stir up trouble again.

Just because things have calmed down, doesn't mean the disruptive elements have disappeared. Letting off your guard right now would be the wrong thing to do.

I think the Emergency decree is more about giving the authorities legal immunity and giving them extra powers to control media and suppress / arrest/ silence political opponents rather than any genuine concern about violent attacks, but as usual you have towed the governemnt line like the perfectly brainwashed specimen that you are.

Originally Posted by mc2

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Here's the point he is alluding to, I think.

The emergency decree has helped a return to order. The concern is that the moment it were to be lifted, the disruptive elements would see it as an opportunity to resume their attempts at violent disruptions. - and they will, if given the chance.

By maintaining the emergency decree, the gov't send the message that it is not letting up vigilance, and retains the lawful right, under the decree, to arrest and detain suspects or violators that aim to stir up trouble again.

Just because things have calmed down, doesn't mean the disruptive elements have disappeared. Letting off your guard right now would be the wrong thing to do.

I think the Emergency decree is more about giving the authorities legal immunity and giving them extra powers to control media and suppress / arrest/ silence political opponents rather than any genuine concern about violent attacks, but as usual you have towed the governemnt line like the perfectly brainwashed specimen that you are.

... sez Thaksin's mouthpiece...

The irony in your statement is staggering.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

and retains the lawful right, under the decree, to arrest and detain suspects or violators that aim to stir up trouble again.

& how long does this stay 'lawful' for? A year? A decade? Or just until all opposition is silenced?

When a miltary backed (installed?) government uses military powers, without normal legal standards and justifications, to maintain control of a nation then there is a very very big social problem that strongly suggests that the government should not be there. When the opposition's only ask is an election then this claim is magnified tenfold.

Now, you can wrap it up by saying "but Thaksin, but communists, but terrorists, but they don't love...", but the basic premise remains: the army backed/installed government are crushing freedom of speech and other democratic norms because they cannot (and never had) win by an election.

I'm not wrapping it up with "...but Thaksin...", I'm wrapping it up with "It's Thailand, it's their country, and they can do what they want, and you have no say in it"

That said, the present government, I feel, has the best chance and opportunity to actually achieve results that are in the long run good for Thailand as a whole.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

I'm wrapping it up with "It's Thailand, it's their country, and they can do what they want, and you have no say in it"

You've actually made an excellent point because the Dems/junta are saying "It's Thailand, it's our country, and we can do what we want, and you have no say in it." Alas, they are holding a large gun whilst proclaiming this to the Thai people...

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

That said, the present government, I feel, has the best chance and opportunity to actually achieve results that are in the long run good for Thailand as a whole.

But, and it's a big but, military law, emergency decrees and military controlled governments (CRES/ISOC) do not have any right to decide Thailand's fate, regardless of your personal, any very unusual, opinion.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

But, and it's a big but, military law, emergency decrees and military controlled governments (CRES/ISOC) do not have any right to decide Thailand's fate, regardless of your personal, any very unusual, opinion.

According to yourself, and some of your like-minded friends on TD, they do - because this is the way it's always been, and the Amart control everything, and nothing will ever change, and that's just the way Thailand works.

EVERYONE in these discussions continuously bitches and moans, and complains of social injustices, but I have yet to see anyone actually rationally propose a real solution ("Elections NOW!" is not a real solution), or analyze the situations based on what is actually going on, versus some socialist left-leaning propaganda wet dreams.

Again, it's is THEIR country, and so far I do not see any influence at all that beer swilling expats have had on any outcome over the past 50 or so years - so far, there have only been two foreign born and foreign raised leaders in Thailand that are making a difference. I'll let you do the math.

^ I'm a card carrying capitalist myself.

You avoid any rational discussion. Your last comment, the second time you said the same thing, is just silly (I'm being kind) and more than a tad hypercritical seems as you so often engage with the topic; it's okay to concede points when your argument is weak rather than just throwing personal attacks.

So, I'll repeat:

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Quote: Originally Posted by DaffyDuck I'm wrapping it up with "It's Thailand, it's their country, and they can do what they want, and you have no say in it" You've actually made an excellent point because the Dems/junta are saying "It's Thailand, it's our country, and we can do what we want, and you have no say in it." Alas, they are holding a large gun whilst proclaiming this to the Thai people... Quote: Originally Posted by DaffyDuck That said, the present government, I feel, has the best chance and opportunity to actually achieve results that are in the long run good for Thailand as a whole. But, and it's a big but, military law, emergency decrees and military controlled governments (CRES/ISOC) do not have any right to decide Thailand's fate, regardless of your personal, any very unusual, opinion.

Please feel free to sensibly engage in the discussion.

You claim that "military law, emergency decrees and military controlled governments (CRES/ISOC) do not have any right to decide Thailand's fate", which begs the question -- according to whom?

Because you say so? Because the international community says so? Because some people in Thailand say so? Who, according to you, has the authority to claim HOW and by who Thailand's fate should be decided?

I really care more about outcomes, and so far, Thailand has enjoyed a longer period of stability than the prior two administrations have been able to provide - and it has a roadmap (no, not THE roadmap) on how to proceed both to address social and economic divides, but also towards regular elections.

Let me also ask you, as you decry the emergency decree, but how exactly is it affecting you, or affecting 95% of other Thais going about their business every day? The curfew has been lifted, there are no soldiers in the streets, there are no more violent protesters damaging property and killing others; I'm even sure that you can frequently see gatherings of more than 5 people, with no one getting arrested.

So, how is the continued existence of the emergency decree affecting anyone, right now?

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

You claim that "military law, emergency decrees and military controlled governments (CRES/ISOC) do not have any right to decide Thailand's fate", which begs the question -- according to whom?

Because you say so? Because the international community says so? Because some people in Thailand say so? Who, according to you, has the authority to claim HOW and by who Thailand's fate should be decided?

I really care more about outcomes, and so far, Thailand has enjoyed a longer period of stability than the prior two administrations have been able to provide - and it has a roadmap (no, not THE roadmap) on how to proceed both to address social and economic divides, but also towards regular elections.

Let me also ask you, as you decry the emergency decree, but how exactly is it affecting you, or affecting 95% of other Thais going about their business every day? The curfew has been lifted, there are no soldiers in the streets, there are no more violent protesters damaging property and killing others; I'm even sure that you can frequently see gatherings of more than 5 people, with no one getting arrested.

So, how is the continued existence of the emergency decree affecting anyone, right now?

^ Oh look, Mr. Tinfoil Hat chimes in.

....and how do YOU propose to change the status quo, because you're part of that select group bitching and moaning, yet flouncing off when pressed for actual answers.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

^ Oh look, Mr. Tinfoil Hat chimes in.

....and how do YOU propose to change the status quo, because you're part of that select group bitching and moaning, yet flouncing off when pressed for actual answers.

Up early today? Mommy excuse you from the b'fast table? Don't shift her question to me. Answer her Q first.. then let's discuss..

Puea Thai presses govt to revoke state of emergency
Santibhap Ussavasodhi



BANGKOK, 13 June 2010 (NNT) – The opposition Puea Thai Party has called on the government to revoke the state of emergency enforcement as proposed by the National Human Rights Commission and the Amnesty International.

Puea Thai Party Spokesperson, Prompong Nopparit, suggested the government deactivate the state of emergency now enforced in 24 provinces to stop violating human rights and allow complete and transparent operation of all related fact-finding committees to probe the recent political unrest.

During the press briefing, the spokesperson presented a picture of a supporter of the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD), who was injured and receiving treatment at the Police General Hospital, but was also chained to the bed.

Mr Prompong deemed such an action a serious deprivation against human dignity and human rights. He expressed doubts for the prime minister on how he would create reconciliation with such maltreatment.

The spokesperson then questioned about impartiality of the government, notably the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) because the multi-color-clad Alliance of Patriots gathering in front of the 11th Military Regiment and others were not prosecuted similar to the UDD.

Mr Prompong hence announced that he would travel to the National Anti Corruption Commission to petition on the performance of DSI Director-General, Tharit Pengdit, for negligence and double standard treatment.

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