Thread: US marine in Subic Bay Ladyboy slaying identified

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

Davis out of interest, does the USA pay for his defence.?

Don't know the answer to that. Per ^ above, he will almost certainly have representation from a JAG lawyer. USG is footing the bill for his current accommodation, plus guards, plus costs of escorts (that's guards, you dirty-minded fuckers), vehicles, etc of moving him back and forth from Manila to Olongapo. Re local counsel, I think they are appointed by the court (Public Defenders) unless the accused hires a private attorney, which I don't believe Pemberton has done.

I'm pretty sure it works much the same way as when active duty get sent to prison here in Japan. They don't discharge them so somebody from JUSMAGPHIL will take him health and comfort items periodically. If the prison doesn't provide food then I'll bet he gets a small ration from JUSMAGPHIL. I'm not sure exactly how it works but as long as there is a JUSMAG in PI he'll be checked on periodically.

Just watched a YouTube video on Iwahig prison ... The prison with no walls. If I was him I'd get myself hooked up with an arranged marriage and try to be sent there ...

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Timeline is tight for them to have disrobed, had sex, cleaned up, gotten dressed, then killed him prior to leaving the room.

I thought the killing happened without there being any sex involved? Simply overwhelmed by the fact that this lady had a pair of balls?

Originally Posted by ltnt

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Timeline is tight for them to have disrobed, had sex, cleaned up, gotten dressed, then killed him prior to leaving the room.

I thought the killing happened without there being any sex involved? Simply overwhelmed by the fact that this lady had a pair of balls?

That's my point. Timeline indicates there was time for a killing...not time for anything else.

What's Joe's version? Dropped his shorts and sprouted a boner, (got the surprise of his short life), then he quickly ran out of the room and was assumed to be a murderer after a body was discovered?

What's the physical evidence do you know?

Originally Posted by ltnt

What's Joe's version? Dropped his shorts and sprouted a boner, (got the surprise of his short life), then he quickly ran out of the room and was assumed to be a murderer after a body was discovered?

What's the physical evidence do you know?

Pemberton has made no statement, other than the one he allegedly made to his Marine buddy after he fled back to the ship in which he allegedly said, "I think I just killed a he-she".

There is no physical evidence that has been made public to date. I think that there is NO physical evidence - if the prosecution had any, it would have surfaced by now.

It's an entirely circumstantial case. And, in my opinion only, not a strong enough case to prove murder.

Manslaughter yes; murder no.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

"I think I just killed a he-she".

Manslaughter?

Originally Posted by ltnt

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

"I think I just killed a he-she".

Manslaughter?

I, not being of the legal profession, am unaware of the legal term which covers the impulsive killing of a 'he-she', to use Joe's alleged words.

More likely 2nd degree murder, unpremeditated...act of passion, blind fury, etc. Manslaughter would be like an accidental death...I to am no lawyer fortunately.

He seemed surprised by the ladyboy? Never heard of it before? Marines get pre-shore leave do's and don'ts scessions I would bet?

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Originally Posted by ltnt

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

"I think I just killed a he-she".

Manslaughter?

I, not being of the legal profession, am unaware of the legal term which covers the impulsive killing of a 'he-she', to use Joe's alleged words.

A public service??

Originally Posted by ltnt

More likely 2nd degree murder, unpremeditated...act of passion, blind fury, etc. Manslaughter would be like an accidental death...I to am no lawyer fortunately.

He seemed surprised by the ladyboy? Never heard of it before? Marines get pre-shore leave do's and don'ts scessions I would bet?

These guys get zillions of pre-shore leave briefings. Beer-goggles would be my best guess. Also, there are few ladyboys here - nothing like, for instance, Thailand.

I believe that in the US, if the government opts to prosecute for murder, but can't prove premeditation, the case gets dropped...having opted for the more serious charge of murder, they can't later change their minds and go for a lesser charge which they can prove,

Not sure if that applies here, or not. If so, I think Pemberton could get off, as I don't see any way they can prove premeditation. Even Laude's TV friend said that when Laude and Pemberton entered the hotel room, Pemberton still thought they were female.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Even Laude's TV friend said that when Laude and Pemberton entered the hotel room, Pemberton still thought they were female.

How would he know what was in his mind at that moment? Of course he thought the he/she was a she or else by the obvious result this presumed gender wouldn't have resulted in a death.

What if Joe did the deed with the Ladyboy and then decided to cover up his homosexual act...? Did the ladyboy have all the female equipment or not?

Originally Posted by ltnt

Did the ladyboy have all the female equipment or not?

Laude had fake tits, but still had male sexual gear...he was planning to get cut after he and his fag Kraut "fiance" got married.

He's being charged with murder. Whether convicted of a lesser offense remains to be seen.

A Philippine court on Monday began the trial of a U.S. Marine charged with murdering a transgender Filipina after allegedly discovering her gender when they checked into a hotel in an emotional case that has tested America's ties with a key Asian ally.

Government prosecutors expressed confidence they could convict him this year.

"We will prove the elements of murder," state prosecutor Emilie de los Santos told reporters, referring to what she has described as "treachery, abuse of superior strength and cruelty" that aggravated the attack against the victim, who was formerly known as Jeffrey Laude.

US Marine Pfc. Joseph Scott Pemberton on trial for murder of transgender Jennifer Laude in Philippines - CBS News

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Originally Posted by ltnt

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Timeline is tight for them to have disrobed, had sex, cleaned up, gotten dressed, then killed him prior to leaving the room.

I thought the killing happened without there being any sex involved? Simply overwhelmed by the fact that this lady had a pair of balls?

That's my point. Timeline indicates there was time for a killing...not time for anything else.

Perhaps Joe followed Laude to the bathroom and saw something like this ...

Originally Posted by Norton

in an emotional case that has tested America's ties with a key Asian ally.

Yea, right...what a load of B.S..

I'm thinking this Marine will never see a day inside a Filipino prison. Some sort of deal will be made out for him to serve his time in the USA and just like the raped girl somebody will be getting some visas.

Considering his no plea in court and its going to trial, tend to think he will spend time in a phil prison.

Must be costing the US govt a dollar or two,if he admitted to his friend he killed someone, plead guilty a big show trail ain't going to do him any good.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

I'm thinking this Marine will never see a day inside a Filipino prison. Some sort of deal will be made out for him to serve his time in the USA and just like the raped girl somebody will be getting some visas.

Totally different things. The "raped" girl was never raped. She was a manipulative whore who made up a story which she later recanted. She did indeed get a visa out of it, which was her plan from the moment she picked up a dumb Marine in an Olangapo bar.

Laude was, in my opinion, killed by Pemberton...and they will prove it.

He's going to a Filipino prison once convicted.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

He's going to a Filipino prison once convicted.

Betcha two greens for one he doesn't ...

And I know the girl retracted her story. No, I don't see the Marine rotting in a Pinoy prison.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

He's going to a Filipino prison once convicted.

Betcha two greens for one he doesn't ...

Done. If convicted.

If he was "a black Marine," perhaps he would get a better defense?

Just your every day Cracker, so say good bye son. Probably deserves it, but I'll wait for the facts to come out.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

He's going to a Filipino prison once convicted.

Betcha two greens for one he doesn't ...

Done. If convicted.

Roger that. Just to be clear ... I think he'll be convicted. But think some deal is going to be worked for him to spend his sentence in Leavenworth.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Roger that. Just to be clear ... I think he'll be convicted. But think some deal is going to be worked for him to spend his sentence in Leavenworth.

Down the pike maybe, but the mob will never settle for him doing time in the US. He'll have to serve enough years here for the mob's memory to fade a bit, then perhaps he'll finish out his sentence in the US. The Filipino power structure doesn't want the expenses or hassle of keeping him here. or much less to have something happen to him while incarcerated here, but the mob must be served first.

Well according to this statement the US have already agreed if convicted,Pemberton will serve his time in the phils.

Talks on custody for Pemberton over, says DFA
By MICHAELA DEL CALLAR December 18, 2014 3:55pm
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The Department of Foreign Affairs on Thursday said it will no longer continue to seek custody of US Marine Lance Corporal Joseph Scott Pemberton after the US categorically denied its request.

“We will not request anymore,” Foreign Affairs spokesman Charles Jose told a news conference, but stressed that Manila will make sure Pemberton will be detained in a Philippine detention facility once he is convicted.

Pemberton is facing murder charges in connection with the killing of Filipino transgender Jeffrey "Jennifer" Laude in October. He is presently detained at a US facility in Camp Aguinaldo.

The Philippine government earlier expressed its disappointment over the US rejection, but acknowledged that America's decision was “not inconsistent” with the Visiting Forces Agreement that they retain custody, while the Philippines have criminal jurisdiction over the case.

The VFA – a defense accord between Manila and Washington that allows American troops to train in the Philippines – states that the US has primary custody of its soldiers involved in criminal cases until the completion of all judicial proceedings.

"Since the beginning of the case we have said before that once formal charges are filed and the court issues an arrest warrant, that's the time that we will request the US to waive custody over Pemberton and when that happened, we requested custody," Jose said, despite having no guarantee that the US will grant its request.

Nonetheless, Jose said the government's failure to get Pemberton’s custody will not affect the case.

"We should not lose sight of the bigger picture which is to get justice,” Jose said. “What’s important is that Pemberon submitted himself, we have criminal jurisdiction under Philippine court and Philippine laws and he is under detention in Camp Aguinaldo where he is guarded and monitored by Philippine and US authorities.”

In the event of conviction, Jose said Pemberton would have to serve at a Philippine detention facility “agreed on by appropriate Philippine and US authorities.”

“And they have to comply because that is clearly stated in the VFA,” Jose said. "If convicted, Pemberton will definitely serve time in the Philippines."

The 19-year-old US serviceman was last seen at a motel in Olongapo City where Laude, whom he met at a nearby disco, was found dead.

The emotion-laden case sparked protests from LGBT community, left-wing militants and human rights groups. It also prompted calls from lawmakers to abrogate the VFA.

Pemberton, who took part in military exercises that involved more than 3,500 American military personnel in the country last October, was initially held on board US Navy ship, the USS Peleliu.

After consultation by US and Philippine authorities, American officials agreed to discreetly transfer him to a container van at the Aguado compound in Camp Aguinaldo, where he is currently being guarded by US Marines. Philippine military personnel stand guard at the compound's gate and outside its perimeter. — RSJ, GMA News


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