Thread: US marine in Subic Bay Ladyboy slaying identified

Originally Posted by BobR

You mean the adult girls who made 3 times as much by spending an hour with a soldier than they could have made working 12 hours in a factory or planting rice?

Well, 'the boys' are a blessing to every underdeveloped country aren't they?

More efficient than any corrupt government or NGO in providing an income to working girls from poor families, should get a medal, really.

Originally Posted by BobR

Guess I just miss the good old "boys will be boys era" when soldiers on leave hitting the bars and patronizing the local women was expected, considered normal and ignored.

Yea, I guess that also translates into the home front . . . I mean, come on . . . black eyes, a split lip here and there . . . how can a wife complain about 'boys being boys' . . . as long as the LBFM gets a bit of round-eye sausage to make her happy, eh, eh, eh Bob! Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more.

Ah, the good old days . . .

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

As news trickles out, it now appears that the four US Marines called as prosecution witnesses yesterday failed to appear.

The brief article gave no reason and did not speculate.

My guess, and it's only just that, is that since all four provided sworn testimony in front of the Philippine court during the preliminary investigation, as well as sworn testimony to the US military JAG lawyers, that the USG decided they had spent enough time in the center ring. I have no idea if they can be compelled to return to testify to something to which they have already testified - I doubt it.

Davis ... What's it like in a Filipino prison? The prison US military personnel get sent to for crimes committed in Japan all end up at the prison in YOKOSUKA. It's my understanding that it's very controlled and no incidents of fellow prisoners being raped or killed. If memory serves me they're only allowed to talk for like one hour a day. Their food is delivered to them by the base chaplain and they have to cook it themselves. They don't get much. No heat in the winter and of course no a/c in the summer. They have a Sailor there now who committed a murder about 9 years ago when he was 19 or 20 and got life. Terrible to be locked up the rest of your life in Japan but I imagine the conditions are much more civilized than the PI.

^I've only been in two - neither was a place I would want to spend any time. The first was a provincial jail in the city in which I live. A big courtyard, people milling about, laundry hanging off things, an outdoors kitchen of sorts where food was prepared. A small canteen where prisoners with money could buy sodas and such. Guards mostly secured the exterior and left the prisoners to the interior.

The second was the immigration prison on a police base just outside of Manila. More organized. Cells. Guards inside as well as securing the perimeter. But this was really more of a temporary detention center than a prison for long-term offenders.

I've seen videos of the Cebu prison which is quite big. Looks much like the Latin American prison in the TV series "Prison Break".

Wouldn't want to spend time in any of them.

^ Thanks Davis. Sounds a little better than being in a Thai prison.

Local papers screwed it up yesterday. The four Marines were NOT a no-show; they are not scheduled to testify until May.

Yesterday two Olongapo cops testified as first responders to the crime scene. A US Navy criminal investigator also testified to his debrief of Pemberton and the other Marines when they returned to the ship; no details were shared re this testimony.

Pemberton did not attend Tuesday's session.

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by BobR

You sure your wife isn't doing your thinking for you?

Ah, because I don't condone rape and murder by uniformed 'boys' I have a wife who thinks for me . . . as only women could object to rape and the rest.

Nice one, Bob . . . I'm sure your wife agrees with you

Originally Posted by BobR

Wouldn't you be happier in San Francisco or Berkeley than Thailand?

Because Thais also agree with you about raping and murdering Thai women being acceptable as just something 'boys do'???

Prostitution is not rape and no one mentioned rape. I'm out of this, you're beyond hope and your style of "correcting" what everyone else writes and deliberately taking anything you can out of context is quite tiresome.

Originally Posted by BobR

I'm out of this

Good, one apologist for violence towards women less to comment.

SC seeks comment on Pemberton's proposed transfer to Olongapo city jail
By MARK MERUEÑAS,GMA News April 22, 2015 2:09pm


Tags: Supreme Court
BAGUIO CITY — The Supreme Court sought the side of Malacanang, the military, and the Department of Foreign Affairs on a petition seeking to transfer murder suspect US Marine Lance Corporal Joseph Scott Pemberton from Camp Aguinaldo in Quezon City to the Olongapo City Jail.

The SC, in an en banc summer session here, ordered respondents in the petition filed by Laude’s sisters to submit a comment "within 10 days from notice on the petition for certiorari."

Apart from Executive Secretary Paquito Ochoa, AFP chief Gregorio Pio Catapang Jr., and Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario, also named respondents in the petition were Judge Roline Jinez-Jabalde of the Olongapo Regional Trial Court Branch 74, Pemberton, and Olongapo City Chief State Prosecutor Emilie delos Santos.

In their petition, Marilou and Mesehilda Laude asked the high tribunal to reverse two orders from Judge Jabalde denying their request to transfer Pemberton from an American military facility inside Camp Aguinaldo, to a city jail.

The petitioners said Jabalde committed grave abuse of discretion when, on technicaliries, she dismissed a request to compel the Armed Forces of the Philippines to surrender custody of Pemberton the Olongapo City Jail.

They also said that under the Visiting Forces Agreement (VFA), the Philippines should have primary jurisdiction over Pemberton while his case is being tried by a Philippine court.

Judge Jabalde denied the Laude family’s urgent motion for violating the three-day rule under Section 4, Rule 15 and Sec. 5, Rule 10 of the Rules of Court. Under this rule, the public prosecutor has to agree with the pleading filed by a private complainant within three days before it can be filed in court.

The Laudes asked the SC to order the respondents to “immediately work out and effect” Pemberton’s turnover while he is being tried for murder by the Olongapo court.

The Laudes said the Philippine government’s refusal to have Pemberton transferred to a city jail was “unconstitutional on the ground that it undermines the constitutional powers of courts to hear a jurisdictional matter brought before it.”

“More importantly, it undermines the court’s powers to promulgate rules for the practice of law,” the petitioners said.

Pemberton is accused of killing 26-year-old Laude, who was found dead inside a lodge in Olongapo City on Oct. 11, 2014. The two were last seen entering the room after meeting in a bar.

Pemberton was earlier transferred from the US Navy ship USS Peleliu docked in Subic to a US facility in Camp Aguinaldo in Quezon City.

The killing of Laude revived anti-US sentiments, including calls for the termination of the Visiting Forces Agreeement between the Philippines and the United States.

The VFA, ratified by the Philippine Senate in 1999, allows American troops to take part in large-scale military exercises with their Philippine counterparts in the country. - JJ, GMA News


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Have they admitted he supported his family through prostitution.?

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

Have they admitted he supported his family through prostitution.?

For all intents, although not in those words. They admit they were all living off of money from his Kraut 'fiance', as well as other money he 'earned', even though he had no job....other than the 'blow' variety.

Nothing new. Just presenting testimony that was thoroughly covered in the preliminary stage of the trial.

Filipino DNA dude whining about not having the chance to examine a condom wrapper because US Navy investigators removed it for testing in a US facility.

Today, Jeff's mother and sister will appear as 'witnesses' for the prosecution to testify to everything they didn't witness. Expect Pinoy-level soap opera....

The Laude gang is still bitching about media being banned from the court - foiling their efforts to turn the proceedings into a full-blown circus.

That's it.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

to testify to everything they didn't witness. Expect Pinoy-level soap opera....

Laude's ever-venal family is now demanding PHP 200 Million ($4.6 Million USD) from Pemberton for their pain and loss of Jeff's income.

I'm sure Pemberton has that right on hand...................

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Laude's ever-venal family is now demanding PHP 200 Million ($4.6 Million USD) from Pemberton for their pain and loss of Jeff's income. I'm sure Pemberton has that right on hand...................

Probaly incorrectly thinking the US gov will pony up. Sound a bunch of idiots.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Laude's ever-venal family is now demanding PHP 200 Million ($4.6 Million USD) from Pemberton for their pain and loss of Jeff's income. I'm sure Pemberton has that right on hand...................

Probaly incorrectly thinking the US gov will pony up. Sound a bunch of idiots.

Idiots indeed. Also pawns of scum lawyer Roque and his never-ending theatrics.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Laude's ever-venal family is now demanding PHP 200 Million ($4.6 Million USD) from Pemberton for their pain and loss of Jeff's income.

I'm sure Pemberton has that right on hand...................

Is this a civil case, i.e. could the US buy Pemberton out of it?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Laude's ever-venal family is now demanding PHP 200 Million ($4.6 Million USD) from Pemberton for their pain and loss of Jeff's income.

I'm sure Pemberton has that right on hand...................

Is this a civil case, i.e. could the US buy Pemberton out of it?

No. It is a criminal case of murder, being tried by government prosecutors.

The "second set of prosecutors", chaired by scum, bottom-feeder Roque, represents the Laude family. It is Roque's gang which has convinced the Laude clan to file this civil case.

I don't recall but was Jeff also an ass bandit? Or was he caught up in the surprise package of Laude?

Originally Posted by ltnt

I don't recall but was Jeff also an ass bandit? Or was he caught up in the surprise package of Laude?

"Jeff" is Laude. I presume you mean "Joe" Pemberton.

If so, all indications are of a young, drunk, homophobic Marine going ballistic when Laude whipped out his surprise. There was no DNA anywhere to show that a sexual encounter had taken place. Also a very tight timeline between Joe entering and leaving the room barely allows time for the alleged murder, much less a sexual act.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

"Jeff" is Laude. I presume you mean "Joe" Pemberton.

Yes Joe...that's what I thought a case of the young redneck going ballistic on his surprise package. At 19 that would definitely put you off your game.

So you or the authorities figure there was enough time regardless of the tight timeline for Joe to cancel the ladyboys ticket?

Has Joe sought legal support from the US government? He is a Marine regardless of the court case pending his conviction or release?

Davis out of interest, does the USA pay for his defence.?

Originally Posted by ltnt

So you or the authorities figure there was enough time regardless of the tight timeline for Joe to cancel the ladyboys ticket?

Has Joe sought legal support from the US government? He is a Marine regardless of the court case pending his conviction or release?

Timeline is less than 30 minutes - plenty of time to cancel Jeff's ticket. Timeline is tight for them to have disrobed, had sex, cleaned up, gotten dressed, then killed him prior to leaving the room.

I don't really know how much or what kind of legal support he is getting from the USG. He is a Marine. As such, I'm virtually certain a Naval JAG officer would be part of his defense team, along with local counsel.