Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

Originally Posted by billy the kid

You could sit and watch guys being set-up on Khosan Rd.

And all around that area. Thai guys preying on white girls also.

Mostly cowboy town country. Over rated.

Urm, just to add a bit of Balance to this post.

Millions of Backpackers have ventured through Khao san Road since I set foot there in 87. The worst thing that usually happens is the Tuk Tuk scum setting the muppets up on a ten baht tuk tuk ride and trolling them around a gold shop.

As far as Thai guys preying on white girls go's that's a load of shit. A white girl may hook up with a Thai she fancies but is certainly not dragged off and raped.

Backpackers usually hook up with other backpackers and that's fact. Go down and check out the scene if you doubt that, actually I'm off down there today.

Great place to spend a few hours kicking around people having a great time. So much more positive then seeing mongering shit crying into Leks lady drink.

As far as Cowboy town goes, each to their own, Cowboys can ride straight out of dodge if they want.

No one is forcing anyone to stay in dodge.

Trouble is, many do and just hang around whining like fuk.

No time for this lot, fuk em.

Some of you throttlers need to keep shit real huh.

Originally Posted by Luigi

Thais really can be the most convincing of liars to those that have no idea just how slimy and sneaky they can be.

When lying is as normal as telling the truth, you give away no sign of distress doing it.

Originally Posted by Norton

Appeal to follow

Lets hope their defense lawyers do a better job than last time,I sure the truth would come out if the right questions were asked ,others questioned in the dock and DNA samples taken or will the DNA samples on the Hoe run-out as well

Originally Posted by boloa

Originally Posted by Norton

Appeal to follow

Lets hope their defense lawyers do a better job than last time,I sure the truth would come out if the right questions were asked ,others questioned in the dock and DNA samples taken or will the DNA samples on the Hoe run-out as well

"Question overruled" usually dissipates or puts an end their lawyers line of inquiry.
(Sounds like any Mod that you know ?) wink.

Basically if you look over the past year with all the adjournments , how many days were actually Court days ?
How many days was the defense allowed to present its case ?

The verdict came two months after their Court last appearance.

Nothing wrong with the defense (IMHO). The mock trial was a joke.

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Of course the trail was a joke, the country is corrupt as fuk, the outcome was sorted before the first days trail.

Totally normal innit.

Way it is and no amount of bitching will change it.

"Way it is and no amount of bitching will change it."

Of course Terry, isn't that what the majority of the Forum is all about...bitching.

That Micheal Miller is plainly in another place and so obviously naive to the point of imbecility. I had assumed he was stupid but having watched the BBC statement read out by him it seems that the scarcely contained anger he has so obviously had to deal with during the aftermath of the murders has turned him inside out and he simply cannot accept the realities of the police investigation.

He really does desperately want those boys to be guilty.

Very sad.

Originally Posted by terry57

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Of course the trail was a joke, the country is corrupt as fuk, the outcome was sorted before the first days trail.

Totally normal innit.

Way it is and no amount of bitching will change it.

like it or not, sooner or later, this country will have to drag itself into the 21st century. The fact that the people and the goverment are ill equipped for it would indicate the latter.
The naive ignorance of foreigners is no bar to this process.

The showing no remorse bit stated by the family bothers me.

If someone accused me of something I hadn't done, I wouldn't sit there silent with no sign of emotion. In fact I'm sure there would be a contempt of court charge added to that list.

I' don't think they did it either, but who knows

^ they don't speak Thai or English, they have no idea what's going on inside the courtroom at any given time.

Dillinger, you evidently have no conception of what a Thai trial involves. There is no jury. The court only ever sits one day at a time. Examination -in- chief can be followed by cross examination three weeks later. No one can record any evidence other than the judge. Piss off the judge and you are dead in the water.
In space, no one hears you scream.

That Miller chap is inhabiting a fantasy world in which he is acting out a role, the script for which is the product of his own daft illusions and misconceptions.

There is not a shred of significant evidence adduced in that court that would have been admissible in any court in the western world other than the testimony of Phornthip in relation to the murder implement.

^+^^ fair enough

THE KOH TAO MURDERS - IF THE VERDICT WAS WRONG TIME WILL NOT TELL

Friday, December 25, 2015

THE KOH TAO MURDERS - IF THE VERDICT WAS WRONG TIME WILL NOT TELL - Andrew Drummond

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Of course Terry, isn't that what the majority of the Forum is all about...bitching.

Well what do you recon then Mate. ?

I think it's a fairly safe bet that the Judges on that case are at home drinking Scotch not giving a fuk about what anybody may think concerning the Verdict.

Especially more so given that it's foreigners who are having a cry.

The dead guys brothers happy though.

If the dead brother was as naive about Thainess as the living brother it's hardly a surprise that he saw no harm in pissing off two local thugs at AC Bar causing them to lose face. The rest is history.

Unfortunately many are still like this.....quite unaware of cross-cultural differences. I saw some ugly incidents years ago, and we continue to see them in the news coming out of Pattaya and Phuket.

Originally Posted by chassamui

like it or not, sooner or later, this country will have to drag itself into the 21st century.

But Western nations will be in the 22nd century by then.

Demonstrators in Burma's largest city Rangoon protest against the Thai police investigation into the death of two British backpackers (AFP)

They met for the first time during what was supposed to be a relaxing holiday in Thailand, a chance for them both to catch up with friends away from their studies. But before Hannah Witheridge and David Miller could get to know each other properly, their lives were cut short in a brutal and senseless fashion, their battered bodies found on a beach on the island of Koh Tao.

On Christmas Eve, a Thai court convicted two Burmese bar workers of murdering the two British backpackers, sentencing them both to death. Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo, both aged 22, were also found guilty of raping Miss Witheridge, whose lifeless body was found lying near Mr Miller's on 15 September last year.

Speaking outside the courtroom, Mr Miller's family said the decision meant that justice had finally been done, describing the evidence against the two migrant workers as “absolutely overwhelming”. But there is increasing concern that the wrong men have been convicted, amid suggestions that the case was bungled by police who tortured them until they confessed.

On Friday around 1,000 protesters gathered in front of the Thai embassy in Rangoon, the largest city in Burma, shouting “we want justice” and demanding freedom for Lin and Phyo. Many believe that the men were easy scapegoats for Thailand's authorities due to their status as low paid migrant workers.

Around 2.5 million Burmese migrants work in the richer neighbouring country, many in the fishing and construction industries or as domestic helpers or cleaners in hotels and restaurants. During the murder trial, lawyers for Lin and Phyo said the extraction of their confessions was part of Thailand's “systematic abuse” of migrants.

The holes in the case
The human rights group Amnesty International is also calling for an independent investigation to be held into the men's claims of mistreatment at the hands of Thai police. The families of the victims would not have “peace of mind” unless a retrial was held which respected international laws on torture, it claimed.

“The Thai police force has a long and disturbing track record of using torture and other forms of ill-treatment to extract 'confessions',” said Champa Patel, Amnesty's director for Southeast Asia and the Pacific. “This is far from an isolated case. The Thai authorities must start taking concrete steps to stamp out torture, not just paying lip service to doing so.”

Although the allegations of torture were dismissed by a judge during the case, the Thai National Human Rights Commission has concluded that the men's claims were credible. Lin and Phyo are set to appeal their convictions – a process which may take up to a year – and any retrial should disregard evidence extracted using violence, Amnesty added.

However, Mr Miller's family said they had followed the trial closely and had concluded that the two men were guilty, despite having initial misgivings. “They raped to satisfy their selfish desires and murdered to cover up that fact. They have shown no remorse during the trial,” said Mr Miller's brother Michael.

Miss Witheridge, 23, met Mr Miller, 24, on Koh Tao while they were staying in the same hotel with separate groups of friends. Both were killed in the early hours of the morning while on their way home from a night out, but the exact details of what happened to them are still confused – partly due to mistakes by police.

Post-mortem examinations showed that both suffered severe head wounds and that Miss Witheridge was raped before being killed, while Mr Miller may have died as a result of drowning after being dumped in shallow water on the beach. His family has suggested he may have been targeted after intervening when he witnessed Miss Witheridge being attacked.

Although prosecutors said DNA evidence collected from cigarette butts, a condom and the bodies of the victims linked Lin and Phyo to the killings, their lawyers said DNA samples from the alleged murder weapon – a garden hoe – did not match. The first police officers to attend the crime scene were also said to have been poorly trained, resulting in the area not being properly sealed off and allowing for the possible contamination of evidence.

However, after the men were convicted Mr Miller's family insisted that the police investigation was “not the so-called shambles it was made out to be”. While it was “easy to conclude” that Lin and Phyo were convenient scapegoats for the murders, officers had actually carried out “methodical and thorough” work to construct a powerful case against them, they added.

Legal campaigners following the case have also criticised the role of the British government, which sent a team from Scotland Yard to review the Thai police investigation but then refused to share the results with the defendants' legal team. It has been suggested that this refusal may have indirectly resulted in the death penalties being handed down.

Thailand backpacker murders: Burmese protesters call for investigation into killing of British pair | Asia | News | The Independent

Only if the Burmese accused had enough money would things change. Simple fact.

Definitively true , Choppers.

Assuredly they wouldn't have been working as migrant workers if they had the dosh.

At the very least they would have raised bail and would be back home on Burmese soil.

Originally Posted by Mister Fixit

Quite. And for him to be talking about the Western trash here is a bit rich ... Ozzies. Pfffft.

At least Terry is consistent in his condemnation...never wishy-washy from what I have read.
Good on ya , Terry > "fook these expat coonts with their indignant righteousness !"

Bring happiness to the shee-ple. I think the General released a new song last week.
Possibly named "We Are Thailand."
I haven't bothered to view but should be available on youtube.

Myanmar's ambassador to Thailand yesterday said he accepted the death sentences handed down to the convicted killers of two backpackers murdered on Koh Tao last year.

"Everyone who is human, if they hear that they are getting the death sentence they will be sad, but this is the legal procedure so we have to adhere to the legal procedure," U Win Maung said at Government House yesterday.

He was there to receive US$11,879 (430,610 baht) in flood relief assistance from PM's Office Minister ML Panadda Diskul, and permanent secretary Aek Angsananont acting on behalf of the Thai government.

Envoy accepts Koh Tao ruling | Bangkok Post: news

US$11,879 (430,610 baht) in flood relief assistance from PM's Office

their generosity knows no bounds.

I rather think it was a deft little manoeuvre manipulating the envoy into a diplomatic corner pre-empting any strong, adverse criticism of the judgement. Bit difficult to say something unpleasant to one's host when they have just bunged you a little present.