Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

The only thing that is rock solid is that the Court system and the vast majority of people connected to it are as corrupt as fuk. The world knows this.[/QUOTE]

We all knew this before we came here. After awhile we told ourselves how LOS isn't really that bad as we had gf's 30 years our junior falling all over us. " How bad can this be" we asked to ourselves.
The blinders were almost fully in place.

Then once we ALL got hoodwinked we ALL fell back into the sad realization that we had prior.

As bad as we say it is for whatever reason we can't bring ourselves to moving back to the lands of milk, honey and justice from whence we came. Strange that.

As crazy as this place is (for whatever reason) , it sure beats the alternative of returning home to the daily grind and an older 'handbag' ,eh.

We're never going to be citizens here anyway. Sure we can speak out for justice on a forum though you wouldn't find any of us carrying placards railing against the regime in public.

In many ways I view my choice to live my life here strictly as a financial decision. For me personally it is my LT healthcare solution with a chauvinistic twist. Works for me, must be a guy thing.

Just my 2 satang thoughts.

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

As crazy as this place is (for whatever reason) , it sure beats the alternative of returning home to the daily grind and an older 'handbag' ,eh.

Yep, better of two undesirable choices, but better by far.

Originally Posted by thailazer

I am sure the Thais are confident that interest will decay and then it is back to business as usual. This IS Thailand.

It will all blow over in 15 Milli seconds the same as the road carnage, Taksins war on drugs, Military coups where many people have been Killed, condo jumpers in Pattaya and all the other stuff that goes down in Thailand.

In the grand scheme of things this is nothing and par for course.

It is the punters who expected the Burmese to be found innocent who are fooling themselves.

Hang around for another 10 minutes, something else will pop up for the public to spill their bile against.

Locals won't do that though, only farang will, who don't matter over here by the way.

100 % , Terry.

Originally Posted by BobR

Yep, better of two undesirable choices, but better by far.

The fact is,

Most Ex-Pats love living in Thailand and all this shit is of no concern to us.

Actually the most contented are the retired guys with a few bob in their pocket who enjoy it the best.


It's the working Ex-Pat and the Teflers surviving on fuk all who seem to complain the loudest. Also the silly coonts who have burned bridges back home and are stuck here.

Best ignored this lot. I pity them not.

^
This leads me on to an observation about that Bakodreamer Guy.

This guy built the most wonderful wooden house, it was bloody incredible.

Thing was he built it out in the middle of fuksville where there was nothing for six million miles.

Next thing we know he is posting up how Thailand is shit and he is off to Belgium. ??

Yet he built this magnificent abode in Thailand but isolated from life.

Another case of doing stupid shit and paying the price for it.

Many farangs set themselves up for failure from the get go.

Originally Posted by terry57

Most Ex-Pats love living in Thailand and all this shit is of no concern to us.

Gross injustice should bother anyone with a conscience. I don't know if these Burmese are murderers or scapegoats, but this entire thing stinks.

One of the down sides of living here is having to see the 2 systems of so called justice that exist here, one for the hisos and the other for everyone else. Maybe that bothers me more because of my past professions.

^

If you keep thinking like you are still a Cop you will never let shit go.

Retirement should free you from your past life Bob, it surely has with me.

Further more, I do not concern myself with anything that happens here, I've seen it all before over the past 30 years and there are no surprises for me regards anything that goes down here.

I do not wake up everyday pondering over injustice in Thailand, it's simply not in my job description.

Enjoying my life is my top priority considering ones life force is running out of time.

I never waste time on shit I can not change.

I take all the good things about Thailand and run with it, all the other shit is left far behind.

Originally Posted by blue

so they are all angles

Originally Posted by blue

so they are all angles because Aung san su is

Oh, angels . . . Why do you think they are all 'angles' <sic>?

Originally Posted by BobR

That nice, where's Myanmar's little Miss do gooder Aung San Suu Kyi? Once again, like when the refugees were starving on ships, her silence is deafening.

Indeed - still waiting for her to address non-populist issues

Trouble is Terence, the good shit isn't so good and even for the Thai, as they grapple with the consequences of credit expansion and the concomitant erosion of the "sanook" factor, life is becoming a bit of a tedious bore.

From my own anecdotal experience it seems that Bangkok is rapidly seeing a dwindling of British and American visitors and the only falang arriving in any significant numbers are groups of rather rough looking Aussies.

Aussie dross are quite unappealing, don't you think?

Originally Posted by terry57

I take all the good things about Thailand and run with it, all the other shit is left far behind.

You've probably never had to deal with extreme adversity here, unable to be corrected by a bribe or an injection of money, and caused by some chickenhead doing something selfish or utterly daft. You'll dance to a different tune if that happens.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

the only falang arriving in any significant numbers are groups of rather rough looking Aussies.

Aussie dross are quite unappealing, don't you think?

I steer clear of them, and I'm Australian !
All the same, not as bad as the nouveau riche Chinese peasants coming here in droves.

Agree. I view them as bacilli and relish the prospect of some genocidal disease afflicting the little slant-eyed, yellow bellied, rice gobbling gits.

Squawking, gobbing, mob-handed, intrusive, foul-mannered fuckers all.

Apart from that, they're ok.

Originally Posted by terry57

Many farangs set themselves up for failure from the get go.

Such a statement is attributal to foreigners in many other countries includding Europe. A good number never learn the language, read up on the culture and society or the bureaucracy.

Thailand won't review the Koh Tao murder case as it has passed the investigation process and now entered the judicial procedures.

This was made clear by deputy prime minister in charge of national security Gen Prawit Wongsuwan on Monday.

Gen Prawit’s remark came after reporters asked his comment about Myanmar’s head of the influential military Gen Min Aung Hlaing’s request for Thailand for a “review of the evidence” against the two workers.

Gen Prawit considered the request not an intervention of Thailand’s internal affairs, but merely a disagreement of opinion possibly from different information and facts.

He said under Thailand’s judicial process, there are still the Appeals and the Supreme Court to appeal to and the petition to the King.

So it was not necessary to review the case as it has already passed that investigation process, he said.

He also believed the recent protests have hidden agenda and might have backed from those who were against and had ill intentions towards the government.

He said he has ordered intelligence officials to find out these groups of people and brought them out for trials.

No review of Koh Tao case, says Prawit - Thai PBS English News

Originally Posted by Latindancer

I see em as ants.

It has occurred to me that in the future someone may create a virus or disease which infects only people with Chinese DNA. However it has also occurred to me that they may invent the same thing and unleash it on us Westerners.....and an unusual kind of cold war may ensue.
Good story line for a movie. I wonder if one has ever been made using this ? Hell of a thing to happen in reality though.

The sad part is that :

1) Taiwanese Chinese are lovely people...they retain the last vestiges of old Chinese culture and are well-known for having sincere, gentle hearts. Not much of that remains in the mainland, though I have heard that in country areas people are lovely.

2) In olden days when Buddhist culture flourished, China had some really wonderful scholars and many people were aware, spiritual beings.

How much time have you spent in The Mainland?

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Dillinger, you evidently have no conception of what a Thai trial involves. There is no jury. The court only ever sits one day at a time. Examination -in- chief can be followed by cross examination three weeks later. No one can record any evidence other than the judge. Piss off the judge and you are dead in the water.
In space, no one hears you scream.

That Miller chap is inhabiting a fantasy world in which he is acting out a role, the script for which is the product of his own daft illusions and misconceptions.

There is not a shred of significant evidence adduced in that court that would have been admissible in any court in the western world other than the testimony of Phornthip in relation to the murder implement.

It's sinister.

Originally Posted by Cujo

How much time have you spent in The Mainland?

I freely admit to only having been there for 3 days. However I lived in Taiwan for 2 1/2 years and I chatted with many Westerners who had been to the mainland.

Do you disagree with what I have said ?

Originally Posted by terry57

Retirement should free you from your past life Bob, it surely has with me.

Further more, I do not concern myself with anything that happens here, I've seen it all before over the past 30 years and there are no surprises for me regards anything that goes down here.

I'm free and there's nothing I can do about it, but I'm sure you could read a story about a fire that would sound totally innocuous to anyone else (not in the profession) and smell the hidden rat. Yea I'm retired but we don't forget what we've learned and the idea of innocent persons banged up sickens me.

Message From Anonymous

28 Dec 2015 — Below is a message from Anonymous to the parents of David and Hannah. I personally fully agree with them and have been told that there will be more information coming out soon from Anonymous, So please stay tuned. This case is NOT OVER and will only be when we stop talking about it and stop helping to spread the truth and facts about this case and those individually involved in the cover up.


A message to the parents of ‪#‎DavidMiller‬ & ‪#‎HannahWitheridge‬ killed in ‪#‎KohTao‬ ‪#‎Thailand‬

Firstly Anonymous sends our condolences for the lose of your children, Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, may they R.I.P

Here is our message to you.

You are about to send 2 innocent boys to the death beds and their parents will be just like you, having their children killed by bad people.

Sadly, you have not paid enough attention the the truth and other media sources and you have put all of your trust into a corrupt Thai government, corrupt Thai police and their lies and cover-ups.

YOUR children's killers are running free and your children David and Hannah will NEVER see justice until they convict Montriwat Tuwichian and Warot Tuwichian.
Wake Up and see the truth and ask many more questions.
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The Thai police got their first arrest correct but then what happened?

The Thai police arrested Mon first here:
One tourist murder suspect now arrested, another on the run - Thai PBS English News
then after the village headman Mon's brother and son of Worat spoke to police they dropped the charges and said Mon was not on the Island however, photos show him as being on the island just before he took off here>>
http://www.andrew-drummond.com/…/pol...es-of-i…

NOTE: Ask yourselves, why is Andrew Drummond's website blocked in Thailand? because they don't want the truth out.

The police have ruled out a son of Koh Tao village headman as a suspect in the murder of two British tourists after he has evidence to prove he was not on the island at the time the murder occurred.

Police now rule out Koh Tao headman?s son a murder suspect, turn to foreign tourists in the probe - Thai PBS English News
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Police now rule out Koh Tao headman’s son a murder suspect, turn to foreign tourists in the probe
Otherwise your children will be killed twice.
Once by their killers and twice by the Thai police and Thai government, DO YOU REALLY WANT YOUR CHILDREN"S KILLERS WALKING FREE and see two innocent boys be killed for something they did not do and are purely scapegoats.

The Thai police have done this before:
Hill-tribe men 'set up' for rape, murder of Aussies
THAI police set up two hill-tribe men to take the rap for the murder of Australian student Kelvin Bourke and the rape of his girlfriend Sheri McFarlane in northern Thailand in 2000.
Nocookies | The Australian

We did not want to have to message you like this, but 2 innocent boys who have been tortured The Telegraph - Telegraph online, Daily Telegraph, Sunday Telegraph - Telegraph into confessing are about to be killed.
Read the links below.

It seems everyone knows who the real killers are but YOU.
The locals know, the activists know, the Thai police know, The Thai governments knows, truth seekers know who the real killers are but YOU!!

DNA:

Here is what should happen about DNA testing:
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp…
What did the DNA tests conclude about the two Burmese suspects? THAT THE DNA DID NOT MATCH TO THEM!

Thai Forensics Chief Says DNA From Koh Tao Murder Weapon Doesn’t Match Defendants:
Source:
http://time.com/403…/koh-tao-murders...-dna-no-match/

So why are they charged and convicted sentenced to death?

IMPORTANT INFO HERE:
This PDF shows that just about every ‪#‎BangKok‬ DNA Laboratory in Thailand are NOT accredited to do DNA testing:
Source:
http://www.forensic.sc.mahidol.ac.th.../49_Samart.pdf
Read the DNA reports (IT DOES NOT MATCH) the two Burmese boys.

DNA on weapon does not match men accused of killing British tourists in Thailand:

Forensic expert says DNA found on bloodied garden hoe does not belong to two men standing trial for deaths of Hannah Witheridge and David Miller
http://www.theguardian.com/…/dna-wea...n-accus…
and here:

http://www.theguardian.com/…/british...l-in-th…
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These boys will die because of lies and corruption within the Thai police force and Thai mafia bosses.
http://www.voanews.com/…/myanmar-mig.../3116727.htmli
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Why didn't the Thai police investigate the argument that happened at eh AC bar?
http://www.georgianewsday.com/…/2902...er-vict…
Watch this: Thai police corruption
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...7425.540127273
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➜ SUMMARY OF FACTS: KOH SAMUI TRIAL:
1.Hannah's clothing untested for forensics and missing from evidence (obviously would have the murderer's DNA on them)
2.Both young Burmese men were allegedly tortured for a false confession. Their bruises seen by witnesses.
3.No valid DNA evidence was presented at the court.
4.According to Thai police DNA samples were contaminated or ‘used up’.
5.Thai police didn't test the alleged murder weapon for DNA. Dr. Pornthip, head of the Central Institute of Forensic Science stated in court that the DNA on the murder weapon does not match the defendants.
6.There are undisclosed discrepancies between Thai coroner’s report vs UK report.
7.Thai suspects DNA sample never received and tested.
8.CCTV footage at pier never checked despite an early morning boat leaving on the day of the murders.
9.Two actual eyewitnesses to the murders of Hannah and David too afraid to testify.
10.High ranking police gave very contradictory statements whilst testifying at court.
11.No "chain of custody" maintained with forensics.
12.No DNA evidence regarding cigarette butts given to the court.
13.Blonde hair found in Hannah's hand with root on it never forensically tested. now, missing from evidence.
14.Official questioning of the suspects was flawed and unprofessional. Questions were raised by the witnesses about ethnic biases on the part of the translators. The embassy interpreter, who said that he handled most translations for cases like this, said the quality of the work done by the two unofficial translators was low quality and unprofessional.
15.Mr Stephen Cole from Acume Forensics has confirmed that Wai Phyo could not be the so-called running man seen in the ‘selective’ CCTV footage collected by Koh Tao police.
and further:
➜ Thai Police using the same methods as seen here in the past.
Warrant Sought in Connection With Kirsty Jones Murder In Chiang Mai:
22 year-old Zaw Lin said he was struck in the chest by a police officer, but also punched by the translator after he was asked questions about his religion and his ethnicity.
The prosecution maintains that Zaw Lin, and his co-accused Wei Phyo, also 22, confessed freely to raping and murdering 23 year-old Ms Witheridge, from Hemsby, and killing fellow British tourist David Miller from Jersey. Thai police have denied their confessions were extracted by torture.
Contradicting the testimony of numerous police officers, Zaw Lin claimed not only did police physically assault him, but they even gave him pain killing cream for the injury to his chest, which he claims an officer inflicted.

Both the accused are to give testimony this weekend in the final two days of this trial. Previously Zaw Lin described to the panel of three judges how he was stripped, blindfolded, and had numerous plastic bags placed over his head during questioning to force him to confess to the crimes. He also said he was told his body would be dismembered, burned and dumped at sea.
His DNA, now linking him to the crimes, was taken forcibly, he said.

In his latest testimony he explained that the Muslim Burmese translator, who came from the same region as him, Rakhine State, but was of a different religion, asked him if he had been in Myanmar during the recent ethnic and religious conflicts where Buddhists and Rohinga Muslims had taken part in retaliatory killings.

“I told him no. I said I was already in Thailand,” Zaw Lin said, “And then he punched me.”

Zaw Lin said the same translator also told him he would be killed if he did not follow police instructions at the public re-enactment of the crimes last October, or if he tried to speak to reporters who were present.
Zaw Lin said both he and Wei Phyo were instructed and guided by police in exactly what to do at internal police and public re-enactments.

Ms Witheridge had met David Miller, aged 24, after arriving on the resort island of Koh Tao in mid September 2014. Their bodies were found together on the island’s Sairee Beach just a few days later in the early hours of September 15th. They both had fatal head injuries.

The family of David Miller returned to Thailand for a third time to listen to the accused’s testimony in person. Mr Miller’s father and brother were in court but Ms Witheridge’s family were not present.

The trial was extended by two days to allow for the testimony from the defendants. However two of the three judges who had been present for the previous 19 days of the trial were replaced in court by two new judges.
Source:
http://www.andrew-drummond.com/…/war...onnecti…

Thai Forensics Chief Says DNA From Koh Tao Murder Weapon Doesn’t Match Defendants

Thailand’s forensics chief told a court Friday that DNA samples taken from a garden hoe believed to have been used to kill a pair British backpackers last year does not belong to the two men currently on trial for their murder
source:
http://time.com/403…/koh-tao-murders...-dna-no-match/
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What can you do?
Sign this petition:
https://www.change.org/p/david-camer...30;/u/14625682
Join this Facebook Page:
https://www.facebook.com/Twelve-Days...#8230;/…
‪#‎Justice4SawandWin‬
What a terrible case this is, #Thailand again accusing innocent migrants just like they have done in the past so they can protect their tourist industry.

YOU ARE NOT SAFE IN THAILAND not even for justice if something happens to you.

These boys have been clearly set up and justice needs to be done fast before they execute these 2 innocent young boys.

After looking at the gruesome victims both David and Hannah there is NO WAY these 2 small boys could have done this, the photographs we saw un-edited are very graphic and from our experience these were done by a very angry person/s, kind of like out of revenge, (From a previous altercation it would seem like) because these injuries just do not add up to have been done by 2 young small boys who were previously playing their guitar and singing at the beach.

These 2 boys are clearly scapegoats and we have viewed all of the circumstances and facts about this case and we are 100% convinced that these two Burmese boys have no motive, no matching DNA and do not match the description of the CCTV footage release by the Thai police.
ALL EVIDENCE AND CIRCUMSTANTIAL FACTS POINT TO the very person they initially arrested namely, Montriwat Tuwichian and his nephew Warot Tuwichian who is the Chief headman of Koh Tao and the brother of Mon.
How coincidental that after his brother (The headman and known Mafia Boss) and father of Warot (Co-accused) had an interview with the arresting police, they then dismissed him as a suspect.

Corruption at it's finest.
However, two innocent boys are about to die for a crime they did not commit.
SO OUR MESSAGE to David Miller and Hannah Witheridge parents is...
You are about to send two innocent boys to their death beds and your children's killers will walk free forever.

WAKE UP and read the evidence, add the dots and put the pieces to this horrible puzzle together.
DO NOT TRUST the Thai police or the Thai government, we have shown you above how they have done this before.

David and Hannah are about to be murdered twice!
Do not let the smooth talking Thai police, fake evidence, tampered evidence, kangaroo court proceedings, fake testimonies and pressured confessions fool you.

It hasn't fooled the locals, nor has it fooled those who know the truth, so don't let it fool YOU!

DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN and demand your government re test the DNA that is probably gone by now.
Otherwise, justice for David and Hannah will never put them to rest.
We will update this case!
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~ Anonymous

Thank you for posting , HH. Well done.

Originally Posted by Hans Mann

Thailand won't review the Koh Tao murder case as it has passed the investigation process and now entered the judicial procedures.

This was made clear by deputy prime minister in charge of national security Gen Prawit Wongsuwan on Monday.

Gen Prawit’s remark came after reporters asked his comment about Myanmar’s head of the influential military Gen Min Aung Hlaing’s request for Thailand for a “review of the evidence” against the two workers.

Gen Prawit considered the request not an intervention of Thailand’s internal affairs, but merely a disagreement of opinion possibly from different information and facts.

He said under Thailand’s judicial process, there are still the Appeals and the Supreme Court to appeal to and the petition to the King.

So it was not necessary to review the case as it has already passed that investigation process, he said.

He also believed the recent protests have hidden agenda and might have backed from those who were against and had ill intentions towards the government.

He said he has ordered intelligence officials to find out these groups of people and brought them out for trials.

No review of Koh Tao case, says Prawit - Thai PBS English News

How pathetic! Thailand completely lacks any hint of moral fiber.

Police chief orders search for 'instigator' of Koh Tao protests | Bangkok Post: news

Forget money,
forget all the lies
forget all the corruption
forget hisos, forget lowsos,
become real people
and become a real country
This is a beginning for you.
Your budha waits you and asks you for this

I may have missed it, but I don't think Anonymous mentioned that the policeman initially heading the investigation was transferred shortly after.

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

You are about to send two innocent boys to their death beds

Dear Anonymous, Please get your metaphors right. It will give you more credibility.

Yours sincerely, Cringing.

Message From Anonymous:

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

The Thai police got their first arrest correct but then what happened?

err wasn't their first arrest the 2 Burmese ?

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

The Thai police arrested Mon first here: One tourist[at] murder suspect now arrested, another on the run[at] - Thai PBS English News

''Oops! That page can’t be found''

at least for me

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

Mon was not on the Island however, photos show him as being on the island just before he took off here>> http://www.andrew-drummond.com/̷...es-of-i…

I cannot see any such photo on that link

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

NOTE: Ask yourselves, why is Andrew Drummond's website blocked in Thailand? because they don't want the truth out.

maybe ''18 Apr 2015 - The blocking of the site comes just days after a Court case in Thailand in which Drummond had taken criminal action against Drew Noyes and ...''

And anyway the murders were in September


I've read enough...
was it put together by a 14 year old at Anonymous ?

And shame on the authors for trying to make the murdered tourists parents feel bad