Thread: Thaksin: Let's put unity before justice

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Most of the Thai people knew he was a corrupt bugger when they voted him in,

actually not true, on the election in 2000, there were strong sentiments regarding corruption in politics because of the recovery since 1997, and Khun T projected himself as Mr Clean and being so rich that he will never needs corruption in public office.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

but the sentiment at the time was "yeah, we know he is a crook, but he made himself rich, maybe he will make us all rich".

that was the second argument after they realized that their first argument (see above) didn't happen. Bunch of fools.

Originally Posted by Troy

I summary of what happened Butterfly, all of which can be verified from media reports at the time. I guess I need to bundle them up and allow you to summarise the facts as you see them.

you obviously can't read news, or maybe you didn't understand what you read

I agree that the Senate selection was watered down to 74 selected and 76 elected to allow some sort of legitimacy. However, the intention was the same as all previous coups to remove election of Senators.

Perhaps you would like to explain your interpretation instead of simply stating that I am in error.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

and only then shall you receive my full gratitude.

said the used car salesman to the lemming

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Now, Thaksin wants out of this marriage. The logic he uses may be the most mind-boggling of all. I want to repay you, he told the red shirts on Saturday, but I can't do that by being so far away. Only when Thailand has real peace can I return home, and only then shall you receive my full gratitude. For the country to achieve reconciliation, we need your help. Please help me so I can help you.

Either the Nation's propaganda dept's translation team have been working overtime, the red shirts really are simply thakin's tools or, most likely, thaksin has seriously lost the plot.

Originally Posted by hazz

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Now, Thaksin wants out of this marriage. The logic he uses may be the most mind-boggling of all. I want to repay you, he told the red shirts on Saturday, but I can't do that by being so far away. Only when Thailand has real peace can I return home, and only then shall you receive my full gratitude. For the country to achieve reconciliation, we need your help. Please help me so I can help you.

Either the Nation's propaganda dept's translation team have been working overtime, the red shirts really are simply thakin's tools or, most likely, thaksin has seriously lost the plot.

From comment #9 on New Mandela to the article Why the compromise game?

According to Matichon (May 23, p. 3 column), Thaksin had said in his phone-in something like, “Today, we have reached the end of our path. It is like the people have rowed me in a boat to the bank. From now on it is about climbing a mountain. For this, I have to get into a car. The people do not need to carry the boat on their shoulders and send me up the mountain.”

In this context, can anybody confirm that Thaksin, in the same phone-in, said that this would be the last time that he phoned in to a UDD event?

Perhaps one of our readers of Thai language newspapers could provide thier version.

TH

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Now, Thaksin wants out of this marriage. The logic he uses may be the most mind-boggling of all. I want to repay you, he told the red shirts on Saturday, but I can't do that by being so far away. Only when Thailand has real peace can I return home, and only then shall you receive my full gratitude. For the country to achieve reconciliation, we need your help. Please help me so I can help you.

No, these are not the words of a selfish man, Noppadol insisted. Of course, they are, the Democrats maintained. Of course, he is egoistic, Giles said, in unthinkable agreement with the Democrats. If Thaksin on the war path is controversial, him seeking peace is apparently a lot more so

excellent article, captured the whole meaning of the current political situation

Thanks for the ride, but now I'll go my own way - The Nation

What raised eyebrows was his suggestion on who stands between Thailand and reconciliation, or between him and the road home

"Reconciliation Thaksin's road home?' or is reconciliation gamesmanship by Tulsathit's people designed to recover some electoral losses, and protect their murderers?

I guess it all comes down to perspective and agenda.

"............red shirts belligerent"

Is that what one calls the reaction to a coup? If that is belligerent, how would one describe a 'coup'?

"Are the red shirts, or the extremists in their ranks to be exact."

Actually any opposition to Tulsathit's Amart/PADites/ASTV crowd, would be considered 'extremist'

I am sure each and every UDD/Red Shirt is considered 'extreme' and 'hard core' in the hallowed, upper halls of Thailand.

It is one way to describe those who scare the hell out of them and their political hegemony.

"If Thai politics remains volatile..........."

It won't remain volatile, because it isn't volatile to begin with.

Out-of-power, the electoral losers would like to suggest there is volatility and turmoil, and they will do everything they can to create it, but they are now the minority. The days of their 'tyranny of the minority' are over.

When so many people have been killed, buildings burnt and prejudice against "the other side" runs stronger and stronger and deeper and deeper

Was there a coup?

This media's studious avoidance of anything to that effect is palpable

A little like trying to airbrush a significant event out of existence.

There is rationale for it though.

It serves their campaign to deprive R'song protesting taxpayers of their political context, characterizing them as a generalist anarchic rabble demonstrating against an angelic, legitimate Government.

A government who in their long-suffering, finally needed to 'crack down'

Yeah right!

He moulded the red shirts, and they in return moulded him, and thanks to some common interests, they blended and became a logic-defying political phenomenon.

"[I]Thanks to some common interests....?"[/I]

Could that perhaps have been a coup?

They would'nt say shit if their mouth was full of it.

Originally Posted by Thaihome

“Today, we have reached the end of our path. It is like the people have rowed me in a boat to the bank. From now on it is about climbing a mountain. For this, I have to get into a car. The people do not need to carry the boat on their shoulders and send me up the mountain.”

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

"You are the boatman who has taken me to the shore. It will be a new journey for me from now on, and you can't simply carry me and your boat up the mountain"

looks pretty similar to me

and no wonder they feel like they do

used

the backlash to this could ignite a large area civil disturbance

I was not happy about the Red Shirt rally in memory of the May 2010 crackdown. I could no see what useful purpose it could achieve. I have a feeling that Dr T could not see how it could help the Red Shirt or his cause either. Hence the words used in his speech.

There are times when stability becomes very noticeable and after the recent turmoil it is what's needed now. Consolidation of position is sometimes the best way forward.

all happening as expected,

again proving the PADites they were right all along

Originally Posted by Troy

Consolidation of position is sometimes the best way forward.

I don't see how the Reds benefit from "consolidation" if it just means that the PT government is going to enter into a broad coalition with the very people the Reds accuse of subverting democracy and disenfranchising them.

Originally Posted by mao say dung

Originally Posted by Troy

Consolidation of position is sometimes the best way forward.

I don't see how the Reds benefit from "consolidation" if it just means that the PT government is going to enter into a broad coalition with the very people the Reds accuse of subverting democracy and disenfranchising them.

Imagine that, the revisionist red rabble is fragmenting and seeking hegemony with the kulak class. Comrade Loosenuts has a dialectic for precisely this sort of backsliding. Are you not invited Comrade Mao or have you got to do your mum's shopping?

Tooting Popular Front has need of you Mao!

Who does your washing?

Red leader takes dig at 'egotistic' Thaksin - The Nation

Red leader takes dig at 'egotistic' Thaksin

Attapoom Ongkulna,
Panya Thiewsangwan
The Nation May 25, 2012 1:00 am

Sombat (C)

Sombat tells comrades ex-PM is just a 'station on way towards democracy'

Red-shirt leader Sombat Boonngam-anong, one of those strongly critical of fugitive former premier Thaksin Shinawatra's shifting stances, yesterday said Thaksin's remark that the red shirts had rowed the boat to send him to the other side of the river reflected the ex-premier's "egotistic attitude".

Sombat, considered one of the progressives among the red shirts, likened Thaksin to "just a station on the way towards democracy", and that Thaksin was not the destination.

"I want to tell my fellow red shirts loudly that we have to continue with our journey. The Dubai tycoon has left us and we have to live with it," he said, referring to Thaksin.

Meanwhile, the defence minister said yesterday that Thaksin was not cosying up to the elite as had been alleged by some disappointed red-shirt figures.

ACM Sukampol Suwannathat said he had never heard that Thaksin had reached any deal with the elite. He said "positive or friendly gestures" did not mean that the Thaksin camp had made a deal with the elite.

His remarks came after disappointment among independent red-shirt leaders, who are not connected to the ruling Pheu Thai Party, following Thaksin's video-link address to the red shirts' gathering last Saturday.

On the second anniversary of the unrest and riots in 2010, Thaksin asked his red-shirt supporters to back the government's reconciliation efforts and remain patient with the slow justice process regarding the deaths of their family members who were among 91 people killed during over two months of political turmoil. He also urged the red shirts to respect the monarchy.

Sukampol yesterday said it was normal for Thaksin's remarks to draw both support and criticism. "We have the same goal although we take different paths," he said. "You can't force people to do anything you like. You have to let them do their job so that our common goal will be achieved."

He said the country needed to achieve reconciliation to ensure its survival. "The main goal for this government is a stable country," he said.

The defence minister said he believed Thaksin wanted to return to the country, adding that he did not think the ex-leader would be of any threat to anyone.

In 2008, Thaksin was sentenced in-absentia to two years in jail by the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Political Office Holders for abuse of power. He did not appeal the verdict, saying that it was politically motivated.

Originally Posted by thegent

Dribbling on about arms and civil war is just him adding spurious heat to foozle the dumbos in Isaan.

Good to see you and ol' Thaksin on the same page... the point of my post was to suggest that this was his thinking.

I simply disagree with both of you in assuming that the "dumbos" can be "foozled". A more intelligent view would be that Reds who want him back and who will be content with that don't need to hear this sort of nonsense. And those who are more interested in democracy and justice and the like won't fall for it anyway.

As always, your foam-flecked rhetoric is the measure of your vacancy.

Originally Posted by thegent

Do you and Loosenuts go to the same school?

Yes,The school for Numbnuts

Red leader takes dig at 'egotistic' Thaksin - The Nation

The 'divide and conquer' propagandist media focus is alive and well.

Their wishful thinking is obvious for all to see.

The entire framing of this article is to find and highlight anything suggesting a UDD/Red Shirt/PTP/Thaksin controversy.

Anywhere but the Nation, one could give it a semblance of credibility, but they are their own worst enemies by reputation.

Nothing this anti-Red Shirt rag says against the UDD/Red Shirts/PTP/Thaksin alliance has any validity, because one expects them to say it. If their were anything luvvy-duvvy within this alliance to report on, it would not be reported.

But there are indoctrinated Farangs who 'lap this stuff up' (see signature).

Basically reduces them to the same level.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Red-shirt leader Sombat Boonngam-anong, one of those strongly critical of fugitive former premier Thaksin Shinawatra's shifting stances, yesterday said Thaksin's remark that the red shirts had rowed the boat to send him to the other side of the river reflected the ex-premier's "egotistic attitude".

So he did not say this.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Sombat, considered one of the progressives among the red shirts, likened Thaksin to "just a station on the way towards democracy", and that Thaksin was not the destination. "I want to tell my fellow red shirts loudly that we have to continue with our journey. The Dubai tycoon has left us and we have to live with it," he said, referring to Thaksin.

Nor that?

They seem to be quotes. Just a bit puzzled.

^ Not expecting an answer from the nutcase are you?

If you get anything, it will be just to accuse you of being a "Typical Amart Padite Coupist Mushroom".

Figured what the hell.

^ You're probably on his ignore list.... Just think, If he stuck SD on his ignore list he'd have no posts to dribble over ever again.
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