Thaksin: Let's put unity before justice

**StrontiumDog** · 22-05-2012, 12:42 AM

Thaksin at odds with reds over call for justice - The Nation

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Thaksin at odds with reds over call for justice

Avudh Panananda
The Nation May 22, 2012 1:00 am

The message on reconciliation from former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra is crystal clear but the outcome of any such efforts is still in a state of flux.

In a few short remarks to the red-shirt rally on Saturday, Thaksin outlined how his future would hinge on mending fences.

"Should reconciliation happen, I will have an opportunity to serve my fellow Thai citizens," he said.

"If you don't want to reconcile, I don't mind living abroad. But you should think who would benefit from the continuing fight because only arms merchants will become rich."

To his critics, Thaksin has confirmed he equates reconciliation with his amnesty. Repairing damage caused by political conflict will pave the way for him to return to public service as well as help absolve legal issues hurled at him since the 2006 coup.

If and when the amnesty debate kicks off, his supporters have to ensure the passage of a complex set of legislation in order to repeal his fugitive status and wipe the legal slate clean for a fresh start.

The new charter has to renounce the power seizure and expunge coup-initiated legal action against Thaksin. The amnesty provisions have to address his conviction, punishment, pending trials, ongoing probes and asset seizure.

If Thaksin aspires to hold office again, his amnesty has to cancel his two-year jail term as well as return Bt46 billion in seized assets. In fact, the prison sentence is seen as a lesser hurdle than the asset seizure. While there are a number of ways for Thaksin to overcome his jail term, he has to have his assets returned and the record of them being seized expunged. He cannot return to be prime minister or a member of Cabi-net without that matter being annulled - people holding such posts must not have their assets seized due to unusual wealth.

Previous two prime ministers, Sarit Thanarat and Thanom Kittikachorn, failed to secure the return of assets that were seized.

Meanwhile, Thaksin's critic Sondhi Limthongkul has scheduled Saturday to launch a political talk show designed to raise awareness about political reforms. This is seen as a renewed struggle to block an amnesty for Thaksin.

The pro- and anti-Thaksin camps have started to try and outwit each other in a proxy fight via the charter change.

To clear Thaksin's name, his supporters have to dominate the charter rewriting process. His critics are equally determined to block every step of the way over the next 10 months, eight of which will be taken up drafting the new constitution, while two will be needed for a referendum vote.

It is noteworthy that Thaksin's downfall in 2005 was triggered by his family's sale of telecom shares. Opposition grew in leaps and bounds because many saw the whopping Bt76-billion sale as a plunder of national assets.

A hasty attempt to get his wealth back may land Thaksin in trouble once again.

The main thrust of his phone-in speech on Saturday, however, was aimed at the red shirts. By pleading for his red allies to rally behind reconciliation to facilitate a speedy homecoming for himself, Thaksin has conceded that significant numbers of his allies oppose moves toward reconciliation - at the expense of uncovering the truth behind the political strife in 2010. But for red-shirt leaders at the Ratchaprasong rally, their key message was a demand for justice over the bloodshed. No-one talked about bringing Thaksin home.

On the issue of reconciliation, it is clear that Thaksin and his red allies are not on the same page.

Thaksin wants the red shirts to let bygones be bygones. But the reds insist on uncovering the truth about their blood spilled before this occurs.

It will be interesting indeed to see how Thaksin will appease his allies, and critics, in a bid to secure an amnesty, and his other personal goals.

**LooseBowels** · 22-05-2012, 03:41 AM

Its obvious to me that what Khun Taksin actually alluded to was that reconcilliation and Justice should be running together in parallel.
But the PAD yellow nutter press have obviously distorted the facts again.

You can't argue with that

**Calgary** · 22-05-2012, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Itchy

Calgary, can you post a list of dates for your meetings with the Red movers and shakers so I can book some leave - I'd love to come along and see the 'Rice Roots' of the movement with you?

I think LB may be correct about Itchy.

He thinks that Itchy is a double-nick of SD.

This looks like SD's style, plus with SD's propensity to accumulate Nick's, LB may have a point.

I have identified several..........................Whybother and Reasonableman elsewhere, and Noelbino here.

Who knows how many more there are.

**Butterfly** · 22-05-2012, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Chainarin said red shirts must understand that getting Thaksin back as a free person is a priority for the ruling Pheu Thai party and added that the call bringing the perpetrators in 2010 to justice will not die - even with Thaksin back in Thailand. It could even gather more momentum once Thaksin returned. "The old power clique is afraid of that," said Chainarin.

jesus, those people are so politically naive, it's sad

**StrontiumDog** · 22-05-2012, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Calgary

Originally Posted by Itchy

Calgary, can you post a list of dates for your meetings with the Red movers and shakers so I can book some leave - I'd love to come along and see the 'Rice Roots' of the movement with you?

I think LB may be correct about Itchy.

He thinks that Itchy is a double-nick of SD.

This looks like SD's style, plus with SD's propensity to accumulate Nick's, LB may have a point.

I have identified several..........................Whybother and Reasonableman elsewhere, and Noelbino here.

Who knows how many more there are.

Ask DD. I use one account. He can confirm.

You are extremely paranoid. Get medical attention soon.

**baldrick** · 22-05-2012, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Calgary

I have identified several..........................Whybother and Reasonableman elsewhere, and Noelbino here.

he is also editor of both the nation and bkk post

Originally Posted by LooseBowels

Its obvious to me that what Khun Taksin actually alluded to was that reconcilliation and Justice should be running together in parallel.

snigger - you are a sad troll

**longway** · 22-05-2012, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by mao say dung

Yeah, but I'm an equal opportunity "hater". Knowing enough about how things were before Thaksin and from the coup onward, it takes a special sort of person to go on and on the way these guys do.

"Thaksin Bad: Reds Stupid and/or Venal" again and again and again for years. They must be really smart because that is a subtle position out of which one can obviously spin many different arguments.

to be honest, I don't think you have the political depth and knowledge to understand all those issues, above all as you are an underpaid English teacher scum living like a worm with a limited scope of what Thailand is all about. Thailand is more than Issaan peasants and slum criminals, which seem to be your favorite entourage.

His main contribution is obnoxious self-aggrandizing posturing, but thats ok in his mind as he reads alot and his beret is wedged on too tight.

**Calgary** · 22-05-2012, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by longway

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by mao say dung

Yeah, but I'm an equal opportunity "hater". Knowing enough about how things were before Thaksin and from the coup onward, it takes a special sort of person to go on and on the way these guys do.

"Thaksin Bad: Reds Stupid and/or Venal" again and again and again for years. They must be really smart because that is a subtle position out of which one can obviously spin many different arguments.

to be honest, I don't think you have the political depth and knowledge to understand all those issues, above all as you are an underpaid English teacher scum living like a worm with a limited scope of what Thailand is all about. Thailand is more than Issaan peasants and slum criminals, which seem to be your favorite entourage.

His main contribution is obnoxious self-aggrandizing posturing, but thats ok in his mind as he reads alot and his beret is wedged on too tight.

Wow, typical mushroom rhetoric, both in style and content.

Debating indoctrinated mushrooms is a little like 'shooting fish in a bowl'. They are non-plussed by anything outside their group think and what they have been fed by the systemic influences in which they find themselves.

But never mind............ I like to see them over here to be both a foil for eliciting corrective information, and I admire them for having the fortitude to expose themselves to alternatives that would normally be denied to them.

**goostewart** · 22-05-2012, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Calgary

Debating indoctrinated mushrooms is a little like 'shooting fish in a bowl'.

So Calgary, how do you get your information on Thai politics? Apparently you do not speak or read Thai and, as a consequence your information is all filtered. Isn't that the very definition of mushroom? Also, your definition of 'debate' needs a little work. Might one suggest that you look up the word in a dictionary and adjust your childish rhetoric just a notch? Debates do not include childishly repeating your rants and not using the same childish language in an effort to troll. really, look up 'debate', it will be a revelation to you.

Again Calgary, this is not about the message because the message you have is sometimes valid, but it is the way you are saying it. Modify your rhetoric and you will build more of a consensus and may further your cause. If you care about the things you claim then you would do that - because support for your views is what it is all about.

**Butterfly** · 22-05-2012, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Calgary

Wow, typical mushroom rhetoric, both in style and content.

**longway** · 22-05-2012, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Calgary

Originally Posted by longway

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by mao say dung

Yeah, but I'm an equal opportunity "hater". Knowing enough about how things were before Thaksin and from the coup onward, it takes a special sort of person to go on and on the way these guys do.

"Thaksin Bad: Reds Stupid and/or Venal" again and again and again for years. They must be really smart because that is a subtle position out of which one can obviously spin many different arguments.

to be honest, I don't think you have the political depth and knowledge to understand all those issues, above all as you are an underpaid English teacher scum living like a worm with a limited scope of what Thailand is all about. Thailand is more than Issaan peasants and slum criminals, which seem to be your favorite entourage.

His main contribution is obnoxious self-aggrandizing posturing, but thats ok in his mind as he reads alot and his beret is wedged on too tight.

Wow, typical mushroom rhetoric, both in style and content.

Debating indoctrinated mushrooms is a little like 'shooting fish in a bowl'. They are non-plussed by anything outside their group think and what they have been fed by the systemic influences in which they find themselves.

But never mind............ I like to see them over here to be both a foil for eliciting corrective information, and I admire them for having the fortitude to expose themselves to alternatives that would normally be denied to them.

One of these days you will realise that I don't disagree with everything you have to say.

**mao say dung** · 22-05-2012, 11:20 AM

^Well, lash out then and let us know how you really think.

**longway** · 22-05-2012, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by mao say dung

^Well, lash out then and let us know how you really think.

I think you are dickhead.

**mao say dung** · 22-05-2012, 11:50 AM

Yes, that's clear.

What isn't so clear is how you really think about these topics that you wade into with such great subtlety. Please share.

**Calgary** · 22-05-2012, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by longway

One of these days you will realise that I don't disagree with everything you have to say.

Actually I agree with that LW.

I see glimmers of agreement here and there.

**longway** · 22-05-2012, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by mao say dung

Yes, that's clear.

What isn't so clear is how you really think about these topics that you wade into with such great subtlety. Please share.

Right on cue the standard obnoxious self aggrandising posturing.

**longway** · 22-05-2012, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Calgary

Originally Posted by longway

One of these days you will realise that I don't disagree with everything you have to say.

Actually I agree with that LW.

I see glimmers of agreement here and there.

You will find that most here agree with some of what you say, but they think you are a nut.

**mao say dung** · 22-05-2012, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by longway

Right on cue the standard obnoxious self aggrandising posturing.

Yes, indeed. A little name-calling in lieu of just saying what you think is always welcome.
And impressive!

**longway** · 22-05-2012, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by mao say dung

Originally Posted by longway

Right on cue the standard obnoxious self aggrandising posturing.

Yes, indeed. A little name-calling in lieu of just saying what you think is always welcome.
And impressive!

yes how can I resist your obnoxious inducements to post my thoughts.

**mao say dung** · 22-05-2012, 12:46 PM

Oh, I'm sure you'll find a way, never fear.

**longway** · 22-05-2012, 01:24 PM

^ Sticking to the arid obnoxious posturing that is your forte. Bravo. You just picked a silly little fight with me from a perfectly polite and reasonable post, it was not even addressed to you.

**Butterfly** · 22-05-2012, 01:26 PM

mao is your typical arrogant English TEFLer,

**harrybarracuda** · 22-05-2012, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by jamiejambos

Originally Posted by Calgary

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I'm sure Thaksin would like nothing more than for the country to forget about all past crimes and injustices.

Then he could safely keep all the $$$ he stole from the Thai people via various deals (Russian fighters, Suwarnabhumi, Tax evasion, 3-digit lottery, to name the obvious ones).

Spoken exactly the way the self-serving, coupist Thaksin criminalization campaign would have you do it.

They convinced you.

Calgary,you just keep on getting sillier and sillier..

::

Is that possible?

By the way, I still say it was him hijacking the air force's deal that made the military decide they'd had enough of him.

When the thief starts nicking from the thieves, you know things have gone awry.

**nidhogg** · 22-05-2012, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

When the thief starts nicking from the thieves, you know things have gone awry.

That was always the problem. He was cutting too heavily into what other people saw as their honey pots....

**Calgary** · 22-05-2012, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

When the thief starts nicking from the thieves, you know things have gone awry.

That was always the problem. He was cutting too heavily into what other people saw as their honey pots....

It is why the medical establishment hates him, with his citizen-friendly 30 Baht hospital program

It is why the underground lottery people hate him, for eliminating them.....soon brought back by Abhi. and company, to enslave the vulnerable.

What he did in those two instances was very correct, just to mention two.

But enough of that.

I'm not interested in getting involved in a big discussion with indoctrinated Thaksin Haters.

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