Thread: Any doubts about Climate Change?

Cap-and-trade: You're wrong on the history. Read up on it. As for people making money off it, well it's a market solution. Exactly the point of it is to make money but that's somewhat irrelevant to whether or not it works and doubly irrelevant to whether or not the science of climate change is right. If a gene therapy for MS makes money it doesn't follow that MS has a non-genetic origin. That's a fucking ridiculous thing to believe. But, unsurprisingly, that is what you believe.

Anyway, I'm interested in your thoughts about what's going on with greenhouse gases. Why won't you answer a simple question? You've been astonishingly firm in asserting that humans aren't causing climate change ('junk science' according to you) so you must have an answer to this. Well, what is that answer? 1, 2 or 3?

^ Yet again you miss the point - the FEAR side, which you are following and shouting to the roof tops, is the scam.

Oi Duckman - the thing is...they are not creating a better world. They are creating starvation for millions and billions of dollars for a few.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

^ Yet again you miss the point - the FEAR side, which you are following and shouting to the roof tops, is the scam.

Facts make a theory wrong, not the presence of absence of fear.

1, 2, or 3?

whilst you were quote mining, or pore likly pasteing someone elses quote mining you missed the bit at the bottom of the article. which does answer some of those statements about its natural change, don't worry about it.

Originally Posted by Dr Marcott & Dr. Mann

The modern rise that has recreated the temperatures of 5,000 years ago is occurring at an exceedingly rapid clip on a geological time scale, appearing in graphs in the new paper as a sharp vertical spike. If the rise continues apace, early Holocene temperatures are likely to be surpassed within this century, Dr. Marcott said.

Dr. Mann pointed out that the early Holocene temperature increase was almost certainly slow, giving plants and creatures time to adjust. But he said the modern spike would probably threaten the survival of many species, in addition to putting severe stresses on human civilization.

“We and other living things can adapt to slower changes,” Dr. Mann said. “It’s the unprecedented speed with which we’re changing the climate that is so worrisome.”

Boonme care to comment on this, after all you do see Dr Marcott as a credible expert.

A couple of figures

5.0x 1020J total world annual energy consumption in 2010
8.0×1020J estimated global uranium resources for generating electricity
1.5×1022J total energy from the Sun that strikes the face of the Earth each day
3.9×1022J estimated energy contained in the world's fossil fuel reserves as of 2010

Why do we still bother with fossil fuels?

1×1023J Amount of energy added to climate by anthropogenic greenhouse gasses

Edit
Crap, it doesn't display right. The meaning of the numbers is 10 by the power of 20 etc.

Originally Posted by Zooheekock

Originally Posted by pseudolus

^ Yet again you miss the point - the FEAR side, which you are following and shouting to the roof tops, is the scam.

Facts make a theory wrong, not the presence of absence of fear.

1, 2, or 3?

My word - the reason why this is a religion, is that you are basically banging out what Pope Gore tells you so that he stays rich. You seem to think the FEAR needs to stay, when in reality, it needs to go along with the leaches to see what is really happening.

15 years of "scientists learning shit science from other shit scientists in a whole industry supporting their careers paid for out of the pockets of bankers who will become even more powerful and controlling and you call this science? getting sense out of you mob is like trying to talk a suicide bomber into not pulling the trigger - brain washed completely, and the cleverness of it all is that you are doing someone elses work for them believing you are doing it for the right reasons, when in reality you are just a pawn; a mouth piece for Gore and the Bankers.

My earlier question - what is happening to fight this that will actually have an in pact? I said "nothing" - no answer from your mob yet. Whilst you are defending and thinking, Al Gore has just earnt another million bucks - when do you get your share?

Originally Posted by Zooheekock

You've already said that the earth is warming. Those who aren't delusional monomaniacs accept that this is because levels of greenhouse gases are rising and, being greenhouse gases, this causes higher temperatures.

Aside from any prediliction for delusional monomania I should be grateful for the evidence that the " world " is warming and that any climatic change is as a result of industrially sourced Co2.

This seems to be a given in the doctrinal world of the Co2 fanatic but back in the rather more sedate cloisters of pure science, as opposed to the lobby fodder of publicly funded yea sayers looking to fill their pockets and chasing tenure, we are still attempting to arrive at what might be a " world " temperature.

You see, unless one has that, measuring change is somewhat problematic, n'est-ce pas?

You chaps do love your statistics and like all of your ilk you never shirk to apply problems to them and thus inventing causes, and thereby, solutions.

Quick fix science rooted in fashion and political whimsy. Gore, the prophet, preaching his religion attains iconic status, political converts build the temple and statistician scientists donning the robes of high priests ensure the Word is spread and hey presto! We have orthodoxy and a new world order.

Problem is, prognostications are nothing more than computerised finger waving in the air and no more reliable than the evisceration of a chicken by Delphic oracles looking for the next, fat handout from the buffoons who sponsor them.

Originally Posted by hazz

Boonme care to comment on this, after all you do see Dr Marcott as a credible expert.

"It’s the unprecedented speed with which we’re changing the climate that is so worrisome."

MMGW is not an established scientific fact last this poster was aware.

btw, how 'bout those icecaps?

Originally Posted by thegent

Aside from any prediliction for delusional monomania I should be grateful for the evidence that the " world " is warming and that any climatic change is as a result of industrially sourced Co2.

You could - you won't because you think this question is some kind point in your favour, but you could - begin with AR4. It's significantly out of date with regard to the speed and severity of the consequences of climate change but for the physical basis, I think it's fine.

Originally Posted by pseudo

My word - the reason why this is a religion, is that you are basically banging out what Pope Gore tells you so that he stays rich. You seem to think the FEAR needs to stay, when in reality, it needs to go along with the leaches to see what is really happening.

15 years of "scientists learning shit science from other shit scientists in a whole industry supporting their careers paid for out of the pockets of bankers who will become even more powerful and controlling and you call this science? getting sense out of you mob is like trying to talk a suicide bomber into not pulling the trigger - brain washed completely, and the cleverness of it all is that you are doing someone elses work for them believing you are doing it for the right reasons, when in reality you are just a pawn; a mouth piece for Gore and the Bankers.

My earlier question - what is happening to fight this that will actually have an in pact? I said "nothing" - no answer from your mob yet. Whilst you are defending and thinking, Al Gore has just earnt another million bucks - when do you get your share?

Ah fuck it, what do I care? If you enjoy wallowing in a cesspit of stupidity, paranoia and shitty reasoning, who gives a toss? You're not going to answer my question so there's no point continuing a conversation and whilst it's fascinating to peek into the bottomless pit of stupidity where people like you live, it's also enormously depressing.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

MMGW is not an established scientific fact last this poster was aware.

Fortunately for the world, the galactic-sized gaps in your knowledge are not shared by all humanity and whilst the cartoons you so enjoy reading will dispute the fact, anthropogenic climate change simply is an accepted and extremely well understood theory, to the point where it's now a standard part of the education of school children and university students (and least in those parts of the world lucky enough not to be under the thumb of the Texas Taliban).

Originally Posted by Zooheekock

Ah fuck it, what do I care?

I care though - because whilst you are stupidly praying at the alter, down on your knees, nothing is happening. Nothing.

Wake up.

Answer this -

1) what can be done and what is the real effect of this?
2) Is this being done? After 20 years?
3) Who is actually gaining from it?
4) Who are the losers?

The end consumer always pays for all taxes. Always.

I think you and your religion care more about being in the Cool Al Gore gang than you do about anything else.

... You're just trolling, aren't you.

Nope

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Nope

Oh I see.

I was kinda giving you the benefit of the doubt... Thought that this whole Boon Mee-lite stuff was just an act... Or maybe even, applying your own peerless/faultless logic, you are a Boon Mee multinick.

Never mind then, as you were.

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Silly Wabbit!

Don't you understand that the 'correct' temperature for Earth is whatever the Libs want it to be!

That's very sad. One would have thought that the climate change fear mongers would be able to tell me the answer to this. I would have assumed that with them spreading such massive amounts of fear about the temperature raising by 1 or 2 degrees that they therefore know exactly what the right temperature is for the world. Maybe they are right, and it is right about now, and should not rise. However, maybe they are wrong and the world needs to be 5 degrees warmer - shit, that might even stop earth quakes or something - who knows.

What we need is a load of one eyed biased faux scientists to plug a load of junk information into a computer model that will tell us what the temperature of the world should be. Then the science will be settled.

Surely Nasa knows the answer to this question?

NASA - Michael Griffin

Mr Griffin said

"I have no doubt that global -- that a trend of global warming exists. I am not sure that it is fair to say that it is a problem we must wrestle with. To assume that it is a problem is to assume that the state of earth's climate today is the optimal climate, the best climate that we could have or ever have had and that we need to take steps to make sure that it doesn't change.

First of all, I don't think it's within the power of human beings to assure that the climate does not change, as millions of years of history have shown, and second of all, I guess I would ask which human beings - where and when - are to be accorded the privilege of deciding that this particular climate that we have right here today, right now is the best climate for all other human beings. I think that's a rather arrogant position for people to take."

So even a Nasa dude didn't know and thought it preposterous that we should even dare to assume anything like this. Of course, he was sacked for saying this and other defences of common sense.

"Unfortunately, this is an issue which has become far more political than technical, and it would have been well for me to have stayed out of it." "All I can really do is apologize to all you guys.... I feel badly that I caused this amount of controversy over something like this."[

^
Heresy!

Those who pray before the Gore God will be enduring massive head explosions reading that!

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

^
Heresy!

Those who pray before the Gore God will be enduring massive head explosions reading that!

Alas no - they will tut tut, say I don't understand science and am a moron ("Prick" is the word Zoo used for his Red to me - thanks mate ). they will then sneer a little, look down their noses at my stupidity, and having completely ignored this actually vital question to which there is no answer, will go back to pumping up computer model information by scientists paid to produce scary models.

Maybe Gore learnt how to be a fear mongering preacher from his best mate Fred Phelps from the Westboro Baptist church.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Just out of interest, and this is a genuine question to get some knowledge here that I can not find out. What temperature is the earth meant the be, on average? What temperature is "best" for the earth?

Home|Berkeley Earth

Originally Posted by Mid

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Just out of interest, and this is a genuine question to get some knowledge here that I can not find out. What temperature is the earth meant the be, on average? What temperature is "best" for the earth?

Home|Berkeley Earth

Great find (well, startlingly similar to all the other information delivered on here).

So, ground temperature has allegedly raised by 1.5 degrees. Is this good or bad? Does the earth need to warm up? Is it currently too cold? Should it be colder? Does massive ice caps have a function vital to the health of the earth is perhaps could the earth benefit from more water in circulation?

Couldn't find it on that website.

Did find these sponsors though

The Lee and Juliet Folger Fund ($20,000)
William K. Bowes, Jr. Foundation ($100,000)
Fund for Innovative Climate and Energy Research (created by Bill Gates) ($100,000)
Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation ($150,000)
The Ann & Gordon Getty Foundation ($50,000)

William K. Bowes, Jr. Foundation ($100,000)
The Ann & Gordon Getty Foundation ($50,000)
Anonymous Foundation ($250,000)

Quite a few proven eugenicists there, as well as advocates of depopulation.