Thread: bring back the draft!

The Office of the President deserves respect. The current occupant does not.

This isn't a goddamn monarchy.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by Begbie

Having an army largely composed of mercernaries is a sign that an empire is on the way out, remember Rome ?

How can Americans forget?
Recall the War of Independance where the UK employed Hussians to fight in America? Wasn't too long after the map of the world where once illustrated in Red depicting England's (Scotland included here too) colonies had shrunk to that tiny little island in the North Sea - oh, and the Falklands too!

ummm, How about the froggies that fought on the yankie side....

Originally Posted by Anonymous Coward

Sorry repoulinjr, But Ray Carey is the real American here. He's the one who cherishes freedom, liberty and democracy and who is willing to sacrifice security for liberty. Don't forget that the original American Revolution was all about relinquishing security and safety in favor of liberty and freedom. You cowards who are afraid of freedom just don't deserve democracy.

Milkdud:

Originally Posted by Milkman

No one in the military has sacrified for liberty in the last 6 decades. Those in the military post - Korea and VN Special Forces are REMFS. Boon Me, SK, and others here are REMFS. REMFs are papaer pushing p*ssies who sit back and collect a paycheck. They have never seen combat. They have never sacrificed anything. Lazy governmental workers in the military. LOSERS.

Needless to say, the only loser here is the sour milk on the shelf.

So, Boon Mee, is that the best you can do? Give me a red rep point, add the "bull shit" comment and post a silly cartoon with the same message?

The fact is, people like you don't really like freedom, liberty and democracy. You talk the talk and walk the walk until fear sets in and then you're ready to abandon everything for the illusion of security.

It's hard to love freedom and liberty because you have to be prepared to make great sacrifices to keep them.

Sadly, people like you would rather fight than be free.

Well, he's "fighting" on the internet - with silly cartoons.

Originally Posted by repoulinjr

Milkdud:

Originally Posted by Milkman

No one in the military has sacrified for liberty in the last 6 decades. Those in the military post - Korea and VN Special Forces are REMFS. Boon Me, SK, and others here are REMFS. REMFs are papaer pushing p*ssies who sit back and collect a paycheck. They have never seen combat. They have never sacrificed anything. Lazy governmental workers in the military. LOSERS.

Needless to say, the only loser here is the sour milk on the shelf.

You sound like, SK.

You can only responed with shallow, childish responses.

The fact is, you, like SK and Boon Mee, are likely a REMF.

You've never seen combat. You just waste taxpayer money.

Originally Posted by Milkman

The fact is, you, like SK and Boon Mee, are likely a REMF.

I'd show you my DD214...but then I'd have to kill you...

Originally Posted by Anonymous Coward

It's hard to love freedom and liberty because you have to be prepared to make great sacrifices to keep them.

Like becoming an appeaser as the rest of the bleeding-hearts aboard here are?
"To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant..."

Do you mean to say you were one of the team who started the 'nam war with a certain incident at sea, like the Nazis did with Poland?

Originally Posted by stroller

Do you mean to say you were one of the team who started the 'nam war with a certain incident at sea, like the Nazis did with Poland?

Nah...I came along a little later.
You have to remember the Cold War hadn't ended yet and it were them pesky North Koreans (recall the USS Pueblo capture) we had to deal with too.

The USS Pueblo incident happened in 1968, the Vietnam war was well underway by then.

We could have effectively dealt with the NK problem long ago but someone fired MacArthur.

Originally Posted by stroller

Do you mean to say you were one of the team who started the 'nam war with a certain incident at sea, like the Nazis did with Poland?

The American involvement in Vietnam was another one of the religious crusades...Christians against them (same as it is now in the Middle East and a major factor why non-Christian nations simply don't trust us).

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

The USS Pueblo incident happened in 1968, the Vietnam war was well underway by then.

Wasn't the incident a turning point to justify further involvement by the US military?
The old wornout "we-have-been-attacked" rhetoric?
Surprisingly, it's still working in this day and edge.

It worked 5 years ago

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by Milkman

The fact is, you, like SK and Boon Mee, are likely a REMF.

I'd show you my DD214...but then I'd have to kill you...

You were not in Tiger Force, LRRP or special forces.



Stop while you are ahead.

War Leaders. Great Democrats.



WASHINGTON March 18, 1977 - President Johnson and advisers put the finishing touches on Cam Rahn Bay's mess hall luncheon menu.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

I've never claimed to be in one of the above cited units. Already posted here on this fine forum what I was involved with during the war. BTW - what did you do, eh?

You did nothing during the war.

And as for me, it was before my times, and I prefer to work in the private sector.

Originally Posted by Milkman

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

I've never claimed to be in one of the above cited units. Already posted here on this fine forum what I was involved with during the war. BTW - what did you do, eh?

You did nothing during the war.

HEH

bring back the draft!

NEW YORK (Dec. 21) - President Bush's secretary for Veterans Affairs said Thursday that "society would benefit" if the country brought back the military draft, then clarified that he doesn't support such a move.

Veterans Affairs Secretary Jim Nicholson spoke a day after Bush said he is considering sending more troops to Iraq. The administration has for years forcefully opposed bringing back the draft, and the White House said Thursday that its position had not changed.

Nicholson, who served in Vietnam, was in New York to announce a partnership with Mayor Michael Bloomberg to help homeless veterans find housing.

A reporter suggested that the all-volunteer armed forces attract a disproportionate number of minorities and people trying to lift themselves out of poverty, and asked Nicholson if the draft should be reinstated to make the military more equal.
"I think that our society would benefit from that, yes sir," Nicholson said.

The secretary recalled his own experience as a company commander in an infantry unit that brought together soldiers of different backgrounds and education levels, noting that the draft "does bring people from all quarters of our society together in the common purpose of serving."

He later issued a statement saying his comments had been misconstrued and that he does not support bringing back the draft.

Veterans Boss Backtracks on Draft Comment - AOL News

Originally Posted by raycarey

"does bring people from all quarters of our society together in the common purpose of serving."

Exactly, the army is a multicultural experience, makes boys into men, and a fun-ride to boost, you'll get to shoot ragheads, rape young women in war-zones (at your own risk, as the "PC"-brigade is on our tail) and 'haze' the locals in military prisons.

Free education and driver's license, as well as state pensions and benefits, should you return without one or more limbs. You may even get a hand-shake from Rummy or his successors.

And you'll get to do it knowing that you're keeping the oil flowing for Fat Frank to keep driving his SUV.