bring back the draft!

**Boon Mee** · 21-11-2006, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

By contrast, RayCarey - why should he serve when he objects to almost anything the army does?

He'd be one of the first to cower behind a big bad Marine (any military presence) though if his possessions and liberal way of life were threatened...

**raycarey** · 21-11-2006, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

It's up to the loud-mouthed war-monger chickenhawks to show their true colours, which may well be those of cowards for all we know.

exactly. if people support the war, they should do more than post about it on internet message boards. put up, or shut up. jesus christ, not a single war supporter on this forum will even encourage teenagers they know to enlist....it's something for other people's kids.

**Boon Mee** · 21-11-2006, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

not a single war supporter on this forum will even encourage teenagers they know to enlist....it's something for other people's kids.

Bull foking shit - I've done all I can to encourge my wife's frend's boy who's attending West Point at the moment to hang in there - he'll get a chance to whack a few Islamo's before this is all over!

**raycarey** · 21-11-2006, 02:22 PM

wow. your wife's friend's kid....who's at west point.

i'm pretty sure you're on the geriatric side of life, but how about your nephews, grandkids, and neighhbor's kids? why not ask them to enlist? i'm sure their parents would be pleased to know about your interest in their future.

but hey boonie....look at it this way....if there was a draft, you wouldn't have to ask them.

**Boon Mee** · 21-11-2006, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

i'm pretty sure you're on the geriatric side of life, but how about your nephews, grandkids, and neighhbor's kids? why not ask them to enlist? i'm sure their parents would be pleased to know about your interest in their future.

Still beating this old horse, eh?
Still getting your talking-points off KOS and Moron.org?

**stroller** · 21-11-2006, 02:42 PM

This is one thing one cannot accuse Boon Mee of:
He's been in combat and proud of it, and does what he can to promote his ideals.

**stroller** · 21-11-2006, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by attaboy

What happened to SK's post? He pretty much owned the topic with it.

Fair enough, post restored minus the insult.

**Boon Mee** · 21-11-2006, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

This is one thing one cannot accuse Boon Mee of:
He's been in combat and proud of it, and does what he can to promote his ideals.

Wrong again, Headmaster.
Vietnam circa '68/'69...

**Butterfly** · 21-11-2006, 04:58 PM

what were you doing in Vietnam, apart from sitting behind a desk in the South capital ?

**Boon Mee** · 21-11-2006, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

what were you doing in Vietnam, apart from sitting behind a desk in the South capital ?

Trolling for Charlie...in de undersea boat!

**raycarey** · 21-11-2006, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Two years of drills, forced marches, physical exercise and active duty does wonders to snivelling, whiny MTV zombies. If they survive, of course...

the physical requirement to enter the military is to be able to do 2 pull ups and 35 sit ups in 2 min, and run a mile and a half in 13 min. 30 sec. wow. pretty rigorous...and that's only the marines. as far as i can tell, the other branches have no physical requirement whatsoever.

http://www.gao.gov/archive/1998/ns98058.pdf

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Trolling for Charlie...in de undersea boat!

another war 'hero' in our midst.

**barbaro** · 21-11-2006, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by Butterfly

what were you doing in Vietnam, apart from sitting behind a desk in the South capital ?

Trolling for Charlie...in de undersea boat!

No disrespet meant to you Boon Me, but this implies you were in the Navy. Nothing wrong with that but the NVA and VC did not have submarines.

You were not involved in the conflict. Only 1/8 Americans that served in 'Nam saw combat. 7/8 were REMFs.

**Boon Mee** · 21-11-2006, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by Butterfly

what were you doing in Vietnam, apart from sitting behind a desk in the South capital ?

Trolling for Charlie...in de undersea boat!

No disrespet meant to you Boon Me, but this implies you were in the Navy. Nothing wrong with that but the NVA and VC did not have submarines.

You were not involved in the conflict. Only 1/8 Americans that served in 'Nam saw combat. 7/8 were REMFs.

Well, since I'm not sure if the Secrets Act is still applicable I can only say there was some 'action' between Haiphong Harbor and the Delta so...let's just say Uncle Sam also had subs on patrol during the fracas?

**Storekeeper** · 22-11-2006, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

I bet the cocky young repugs wouldn't run their ugly loud mouths so much if they had to follow up on what they spout..

. Sounds like another left wing loonie attempt at your version of democracy. Let the burden of serving their country fall only on those who are willing to make the sacrifice. Taking that type of illogic to its logical conclusion, only those who ''support'' any particular government initiative should be bound by it.

Stroller ... you're now improperly deleting my posts. You have taken it to a personal level with me and you should leave it up to the other moderators. You cannot be effective when you take another posters personal.

**Storekeeper** · 22-11-2006, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by attaboy

What happened to SK's post? He pretty much owned the topic with it.

Fair enough, post restored minus the insult.

Considering other insults that are left to stand ... what was wrong with this post exactly ? IMHO this was a pretty tame post and is in wo way worse than many things you have allowed to stand posted by Milkdud and rayfairy.

"Since I know I'm fixated in your mind ray ... cause you're always reminding I've been in the military for nearly 30 years ... I realized I had never asked you how many years you served your country ? ZERO, right ... safe assumption and probably why I never asked. You've never served and you don't pay any taxes ... why should I start giving a fuck what you think ? You're only good for enjoying the priviledges of freedom not for fighting for it. What you really mean to say to us right wingers who aren't currently in Iraq is: just shut up and go protect my freedom to talk shit about you."

If this post really deserved to be deleted then FUCKING BAN ME !!! I'm sick and fucking tired of your shit.

**raycarey** · 22-11-2006, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Either ban me or get this bitch off my back.

didn't you recently post that you were 'signing off' on dec. 1st? why is there such drama over one week?

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Let the burden of serving their country fall only on those who are willing to make the sacrifice.

i've got a theory on why some military types are against the draft....being in the military is really all they have, and they assume it makes them special in some way. if a draft were implemented they would be forced to accept the fact that they're just civil servants that can be replaced by practicallly anyone.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

I realized I had never asked you how many years you served your country ? ZERO, right

wrong. i've 'served' both within and outside of the US...you see, i'm not tied down to this antiquated, nationlistic paradigm that the only manner in which one can 'serve' is to the country they were born in.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

why should I start giving a fuck what you think ?

start?

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

we all KNOW why they're really killing time in the shit holes of Asia now don't we ? Cheap booze and easy pussy. I'm telling it like it is and they damn well know it.

first of all, aren't you on your way to thailand to take a tefl course?

secondly i rarely drink, and i'm not married to an "ex"-freelancer.

**Eliminator** · 22-11-2006, 08:08 PM

rayfairy, I'm not SK and unless you can state what contribution you did for your "birth country" or wherever your loyalties lie, then I will consider anything you say as a LIE. You have NO experience in the military and all of your information is biased by you to fit the picture that you are trying to paint to persuade people to your way of thinking.

You constanly degrade the US military on this and I'm sure other forums but I would bet that you wouldn't have the balls to tell these same said volunteers to their face what you think of them. I would also like to see you tell the family of the guy (or better yet his comrades in arms) that jumped on a grenade, that you don't believe or have doubts to the validity of his action.

snip **** /snip How's that?

-that's deleted, you know the rules. ST

**raycarey** · 22-11-2006, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Eliminator

I will consider anything you say as a LIE.

oh my! this is very troubling.

Originally Posted by Eliminator

You have NO experience in the military

and proud of it!

Originally Posted by Eliminator

I would also like to see you tell the family of the guy (or better yet his comrades in arms) that jumped on a grenade, that you don't believe or have doubts to the validity of his action.

i'd ask pat tillman's family to come along with me.

now then, back on topic.

do you think there any credence to the theory that i posted earlier? are military types partly against the draft because it would no longer make them 'special' ? if you think about it, the major aspect that separates them from other civil servants is that they can claim..."we could be asked to sacrfice our lives for our country, way of life, blah, blah, blah."
once you take the " i could be a hero" line away from them, and make it clear that any loser of the lottery could do the same thing......

any thoughts?

**barbaro** · 22-11-2006, 10:00 PM

On topics of current events people have their opinions, and it's often easy to get into insults and slights and keep personal grudge that transcend into different threads.

Perhaps it often goes with the territory - but it should not.

All folks and myself, should try to focus on the issue and topic of the thread.

It's OK to disagree, even vehemently. But it seems that a couple of threads get sidetracked into talking about who did what, or didn't do what, or what a person is doing now.

It's OK occasionally to go into this area, as long as people go back to the topics at hand.

Otherwise, and entire thread turns to muck. And different threads for different topics have the same scrimmages, put-downs, and 'one-upmanship.'

**stroller** · 22-11-2006, 10:06 PM

Coming from a naton which had the draft - compulsory military training for every male adult, as it was then, I'd say the "military types" have a love/hate relation to drafters. They'll have folks beneath them to kick around and feel superior about, at the same time they can see it's pretty hopeless to make a soldier out of a good number of recruits. Others simply don't care either way.
That's from the accounts of friends who went 'through the mill' - I made a point of not joining, as I explained before.

But then, this was Germany.
Germans, military or not, don't have the same proclivity to brag about who they are and what they've achieved contrary to what seems to be a common trait amongst the yanks.

**raycarey** · 22-11-2006, 10:13 PM

uh-oh. seems like there aren't enough marines.

The U.S. Marine Corps may need to increase in size in order to sustain continued deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan without sacrificing needed training or putting undue stress on the corps, the Marine commandant said Wednesday.At a breakfast meeting with reporters, Gen. James Conway said the current pace of rotations to Iraq -- seven months there and a bit more than seven months back home -- is limiting other types of training and could eventually prompt Marines to leave the service.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/A...=1&oref=slogin

**raycarey** · 23-11-2006, 08:46 AM

over 95% of Americans, including Congress and White House staff, have no personal connection to this war--no relative or friend serving in Iraq. Over 99% of us have made no sacrifice for this war--we have not paid one more penny of taxes nor shed a drop of family blood.

- Media Notes Extra - washingtonpost.com

**Eliminator** · 23-11-2006, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Eliminator

I will consider anything you say as a LIE.

oh my! this is very troubling.

Originally Posted by Eliminator

You have NO experience in the military

and proud of it!

Originally Posted by Eliminator

I would also like to see you tell the family of the guy (or better yet his comrades in arms) that jumped on a grenade, that you don't believe or have doubts to the validity of his action.

i'd ask pat tillman's family to come along with me.

What family members would you have from the Tillman family, only one Pat Tillman, her husband divorced her. Even if you asked her to go along with you, I don't think she would question the bravery of the soldiers there.

I also find your use of this picture of caskets as an avitar as insulting and in total bad taste. It must give you joy to see all of these caskets with US personel. Given your proclivety to post that the more US deaths that happen there would quicken the end of the war in Iraq, I find your avitar revolting and you should apologise for this and remove it immediately.

**raycarey** · 23-11-2006, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Eliminator

You also stated that you did "government service" f

nonsense. i posted nothing of the kind.

here's a tip....don't drink and post.

**barbaro** · 23-11-2006, 11:03 AM

One note about the military's role in this War on T.

Since this thread is about the "draft" which will not happen, it does shed light on not the military, but the role of the military in this so-called War on T.

Most folks in the military forces are performing the needed bureaucratic tasks that are needed when a large organization functions: getting the food tranported, maintaining euipment, medical support, paperwork, management, etc.

Most folks in the military are REMFs. No disrespect to the REMFs.

The U.S. media has placed the military as an organization and the people working in it, as some kind special, honorable, pristine thing.

Why does the U.S. government and media do this?

Because it sells the war in Iraq.

The War on T. is not abou the military.

In fact, the military is a small part of it.

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