bring back the draft!

**raycarey** · 29-11-2006, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

my basis of understanding comes from personal experience with a couple boys who are over there right now and one or two who hope that it won't be all over before they can ship out.

so, there are nearly 150,000 troops in iraq, and you've accounted for less than a handful....and this is what you base your understanding on. well done.

ask yourself a (hopefully) simple question....why does the US military refuse to release the information regarding family income levels of new recruits?

**Boon Mee** · 29-11-2006, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

my basis of understanding comes from personal experience with a couple boys who are over there right now and one or two who hope that it won't be all over before they can ship out.

so, there are nearly 150,000 troops in iraq, and you've accounted for less than a handful....and this is what you base your understanding on. well done.

ask yourself a (hopefully) simple question....why does the US military refuse to release the information regarding family income levels of new recruits?

In the larger sceme of things - does it matter?
I suppose it does to an Ivory Tower academic like yourself but whether or not lower-income boys are doing the 'heavy-lifting' is not a new thing. It's been that way since the dawn of man and will always be that way...

**man with no head** · 29-11-2006, 02:29 PM

The low end boys do the dyin' while the upper end boys do the buyin'.

Payback will be hell one of these days.

**Boon Mee** · 30-11-2006, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by surasak

The low end boys do the dyin' while the upper end boys do the buyin'.

Payback will be hell one of these days.

**raycarey** · 30-11-2006, 06:38 AM

^ got one of those on your SUV boonie?

**Boon Mee** · 30-11-2006, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

^ got one of those on your SUV boonie?

Couple of 'em since I'm so patriotic!
Big one too on the RV

**Eliminator** · 30-11-2006, 07:31 AM

This is great but your use of the picture in your avitar is insulting and pathetic. You are not showing any kind of respect for the dead because of the content of your posts.

**raycarey** · 30-11-2006, 07:47 AM

yeah, i'm sure they really appreciate your knee-jerk jingoism.

what have YOU done to support the troops?

anything?

didn't think so.

**Butterfly** · 30-11-2006, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

what have YOU done to support the troops?

Watching Faux News

**barbaro** · 30-11-2006, 01:18 PM

As for "supporting the troops," it's one of the biggest propaganda slogans of the Iraq war.

Why?

Because Iraq was not and still isn't about the military - it's about political.

We're not on the 'Draft' topic right now.

**repoulinjr** · 30-11-2006, 07:22 PM

To All:

RayCarey aka Surgeon is just a cut and run, oops I mean cut & paste guy. Or as I like to say, the Surgeon with his scalpel Ctrl C & Ctrl V. I've stuffed him on a separate forum on who is fighting this war, yet he tries to take his swill else where and pass it off as gospel. Check out the links below which also detail retention in the military. Also, I agree that his little photo is used to show all that he is true hater of anyone that wears the uniform, alive or deceased.

Who Bears the Burden? Demographic Characteristics of U.S. Military Recruits Before and After 9/11

Recruiting Statistics for FY 2006

Year to Date Military Recruiting and Retention Statistics

I would be willing to bet he has an autographed picture of ole Charlie by his bedside.

**stroller** · 30-11-2006, 07:58 PM

Thanks for the links, as for the rest of your post, what are you on about?
Have you met 'raycarey' before, by any chance?

**man with no head** · 30-11-2006, 08:04 PM

The links posted above feature flawed analyses. We went through that before.

**Boon Mee** · 01-12-2006, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by surasak

The links posted above feature flawed analyses. .

OK...prove it.
Do your splendid rebuttal?

**barbaro** · 01-12-2006, 02:02 AM

Once again, this Iraq conflict is not about the troops.

It's down to the political.

Always has been, and it always will be.

The troops are NOT a factor now, and they haven't been for a long time.

At the very most, these troops are playing the role of policemen. Policemen that....cannot speak the local language, nor have the proper training.

It isn't about the Americans - It's about the Iraqis, now.

**Boon Mee** · 01-12-2006, 03:34 AM

It's Official
Iran Arming Iraqi Militias...

**stroller** · 01-12-2006, 08:07 AM

Iran seems to have the same attitude as the US rightwingers: war is the way to peace. The enemy won't relent until exterminated.

The draft would give young Americans the chance to prove how much they value peace and go through some hazing to become 'real' men.

**Begbie** · 01-12-2006, 08:17 AM

What and replace the current system where folks from South America and Asia join the US army in order to get a green card. Having an army largely composed of mercernaries is a sign that an empire is on the way out, remember Rome ?

**Boon Mee** · 01-12-2006, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Begbie

Having an army largely composed of mercernaries is a sign that an empire is on the way out, remember Rome ?

How can Americans forget?
Recall the War of Independance where the UK employed Hussians to fight in America? Wasn't too long after the map of the world where once illustrated in Red depicting England's (Scotland included here too) colonies had shrunk to that tiny little island in the North Sea - oh, and the Falklands too!

**Begbie** · 01-12-2006, 10:32 AM

Skillfully avoiding comenting on the point of the post I see.

**man with no head** · 01-12-2006, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by surasak

The links posted above feature flawed analyses. .

OK...prove it.
Do your splendid rebuttal?

We already went through pages and pages of analysis before where I owned SK's ass when he posted the same crap.

I'm not about to be bothered to do it again.

**man with no head** · 01-12-2006, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Begbie

What and replace the current system where folks from South America and Asia join the US army in order to get a green card. Having an army largely composed of mercernaries is a sign that an empire is on the way out, remember Rome ?

Actually it's not a green card but citizenship.

I dunno, it seems rather sneaky to hang the carrot of citizenship out there when the donkey is likely to come home in a body bag or with permanent brain damage.

Maybe the tombstone will read "Welcome to the United States."

**man with no head** · 01-12-2006, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

Iran seems to have the same attitude as the US rightwingers: war is the way to peace. The enemy won't relent until exterminated.

The draft would give young Americans the chance to prove how much they value peace and go through some hazing to become 'real' men.

The draft is nothing more than legalized slavery. No person should ever again be forced to join the military to go die for a war with no purpose.

**repoulinjr** · 01-12-2006, 08:21 PM

Stroller:

No, I have not met Ray Carey and to tell you the truth, I wouldn't waste my time. I have seen many of his posts and his agenda is 180 degrees out from my way of thinking. Not that I want to prohibit his free speech, which I cherish sooooooooooo much, I just feel any conversation face-to-face would be a real waste of time.

It's hard to be judgemental in the arena of the internet, since you have no idea who you are dealing with, their background, their motives, and just everday actions. However, Surgeon (I love that name) has drawn his line in the sand and I have mine.

The only that I am curious about is his nationallity. If he is American, then he is Un-American. If he is from somewhere else, well I guess those countries can say what they want.

I have only recently come upon this internet site, and I have to say, you have some advantages over ThaiVisa. I think the people on this site are, hmmmmmmm, more real. I'm not sure if that describes, but it's a start.

The only thing that really bothers me is that I have never seen so much hatred, venom, lies, slander, etc... towards George Bush. We all have our differences, however, this man is a very humble man and in a most difficult job. Heck, we are at 330 million, can you please everyone. Not only that, I've had a chance to meet him, although he dosn't drink, I feel many people would marvel just how down to earth he is.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't agree with everything he has done, but he is the President of the United State of America, and he certainly deserves a lot more respect at a minimum for the office he holds. I just wouldn't treat President Bush in the manner that I see posted here. The same goes for my next door neighbor that doesn't cut his lawn, his dog craps in my yard, he has a car in the front yard on cement blocks, etc... Yea, it's bad, but I wouldn't treat him the way I have seen here.

It's probably a sign of the times, however, I refuse to treat any person the way I have seen here as well as the office of the presidencey. I have been around since Esinhower (just a baby), there have been several presidents that I have not liked (Carter & Clinton). I just would not engage is some of the verbal assaults that even suprise me.

Long enough.

**Anonymous Coward** · 01-12-2006, 08:28 PM

Sorry repoulinjr, But Ray Carey is the real American here. He's the one who cherishes freedom, liberty and democracy and who is willing to sacrifice security for liberty. Don't forget that the original American Revolution was all about relinquishing security and safety in favor of liberty and freedom. You cowards who are afraid of freedom just don't deserve democracy.

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