Thread: Islam Ctr Planned Next to Ground Zero

Originally Posted by sccrhound

When you have friends who lost relatives and nieces who had classmates who lost fathers 9/11, is not anything that you ever joke about. Even if it is a tangent.

That's perfectly understandable however that's not what he was joking about; he was referencing the Inquisition.

You might still have a valid point in saying he made a joke in poor taste but most of the good ones are (and, personally, I found it pretty funny).

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

building an Islamic mosque anywhere near Ground Zero is an outrage.

Move ground zero then.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

why not build a mosque, a church and a temple, that would settle the dispute and would be also appropriate

Perfect. Would foster peace and tranquility just as is has in Jerusalem.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by sccrhound

When you have friends who lost relatives and nieces who had classmates who lost fathers 9/11, is not anything that you ever joke about. Even if it is a tangent.

That's perfectly understandable however that's not what he was joking about; he was referencing the Inquisition.

You might still have a valid point in saying he made a joke in poor taste but most of the good ones are (and, personally, I found it pretty funny).

Unfortunately 9/11 is one of those things right now that you cannot joke about with an American. Maybe in 20 more years, but not now.

For an example....this was 35 years later

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by sccrhound

When you have friends who lost relatives and nieces who had classmates who lost fathers 9/11, is not anything that you ever joke about. Even if it is a tangent.

That's perfectly understandable however that's not what he was joking about; he was referencing the Inquisition.

You might still have a valid point in saying he made a joke in poor taste but most of the good ones are (and, personally, I found it pretty funny).

You mean this?

^Yep. Monty Python, classic!

Originally Posted by sccrhound

You mean this?

Damn those red shirts!

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by sccrhound

You mean this?

Damn those red shirts!

ok that gets a green

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

^Yep. Monty Python, classic!

Yep, classic. Txs, scc

Originally Posted by sccrhound

When you have friends who lost relatives and nieces who had classmates who lost fathers 9/11, is not anything that you ever joke about. Even if it is a tangent.

I am sure the Iraqis could share their grief, they got attacked by the same nasty people, that is the Pentagon

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Originally Posted by mr Fred

A few crappy idiots with bloody silly ideas managed to murder a lot of people and you want to blame and punish all Muslims for their actions.

The problem is that they did it in the name of Islam.

Originally Posted by Al Qur'an

"if you kill one person unjustly as if you killed the whole humanity, and if you saved once person as if you saved the whole humanity"

From memory so apologies if I got it slightly wrong.

They may have done it in the name of Islam but they got Islam wrong. it's very clear in Islam as in Christianity there is no excuse for killing the innocent and that easily covers the stupidity of the 9/11 mass murder.
Murder of random innocents is clearly unjustified and a major sin as is suicide.
As Muslims they have shit their pot for virgins and are guaranteed an eternity in hell for both crimes.
Double fuck off from heaven for that bunch of bastards

So while these cretins may have done it in the name of Islam there is no excuse to punish all Muslims because of it..

Originally Posted by sabang

^ Technically true Jet, but with WTC & WFC housing so many Brokers and Banks it was functionally considered part of it, or at least an adjunct. Actually, the original financial district (mostly Wall & Broad St) is closer to the proposed Mosque than GZ. But you won't find any banks in this shabby little street. Historically, the place might have been considered part of the garment district.

It is not an outrage at all- it is a concocted hysteria, a storm in a teacup.

SAB do you really believe that site was chosen just at random! it is right smack next to "Ground Zero" WTC is a huge area and 50-100 yards is nothing, it will remain a next door neighbor to all intents and purposes.

And picking out one prolific person who oppose this project to denigrate all the other people who genuinely find this whole thing wrong, is a cheap shot.

If the site was not chosen completely at random! then who ever projected it must have had WTC and it's fate included in their considerations one way or the other, and their conclusions is the interesting part in all this.

And if the site itself have no particular significance to the planners, it would not be very difficult to move the place somewhere else now would it. Who in their right mind would build a peaceful place of worship knowing full well that the place is wrought with controversy from the outset and will remain so, that is a very strange way of showing will to peace and multi religious understanding.

Originally Posted by mr Fred

it's very clear in Islam as in Christianity there is no excuse for killing the innocent

There's just that pesky approval for jihad.

I read a book years ago about a Jew and a Muslim who open a restaurant across the road from the UN building, anybody know the title of that book?

Can we not just nuke the most sacred place in Islam then build a nuclear missle base there.
Then they can have their mosque at ground zero.

Originally Posted by mr Fred

They may have done it in the name of Islam but they got Islam wrong.

There is nothing like "right islam". Islam is a disease, a cancer, a plague.

It's not a religion but a totalitarian political ideology incompatible with democracy. Muslims will apply the sharia law above the laws of the western country where they live.

They should not be allowed to migrate in the west, let them live in muslim countries and don't try to invade our places.

Originally Posted by mr Fred

Can't say I can in modern times but there is plenty of records of numbers killed in the name of atheism.

That give the right to muslims to kill innocents then ? Your religion is pure $hit.

Imam unmosqued
Ground Zero booster tied to sea clash

The imam behind a proposed mosque near Ground Zero is a prominent member of a group that helped sponsor the pro-Palestinian activists who clashed violently with Israeli commandos at sea this week.

Ground Zero imam tied to anti-Israel Gaza blockade runners - NYPOST.com

Originally Posted by Wallalai

Originally Posted by mr Fred

They may have done it in the name of Islam but they got Islam wrong.

There is nothing like "right islam". Islam is a disease, a cancer, a plague.

It's not a religion but a totalitarian political ideology incompatible with democracy. Muslims will apply the sharia law above the laws of the western country where they live.

They should not be allowed to migrate in the west, let them live in muslim countries and don't try to invade our places.

That is interesting. I really like your posts.

I always thought that Indonesia, with it's 86% Muslim population, was the most populous Muslim country in the world.
In fact it's a none religious republic that has no sharia law) except in one small corner that is run by extremists) and has universally accepted democratic elections.

So that leaves me wondering where you get the idea that Muslims apply sharia law every where they go.
Moving to the question of Muslims invading non Muslim countries.
Please supply an example in modern times of this.
I think Iraq may have invaded the US of A but perhaps I got that news story wrong.
I await enlightenment.
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Originally Posted by mr Fred

I always thought that Indonesia, with it's 86% Muslim population, was the most populous Muslim country in the world.

Indeed. And the second highest Moslem population in the world is India. And the third is Pakistan.

None are Islamic republics, although Paki has plenty of Fundamentalist woes.

Originally Posted by larvidchr

principles of the individual freedoms

is that like the one about practicing a religion or doesn't that aply to Islam.
Hypocrites

Originally Posted by mr Fred

I always thought that Indonesia, with it's 86% Muslim population, was the most populous Muslim country in the world.
In fact it's a none religious republic that has no sharia law) except in one small corner that is run by extremists) and has universally accepted democratic elections.

I saw a map of Indo not long ago that shows that sharia is the law in several areas.
Why do muslims want to live in the West anyway? They hate our culture and lifestyle. Is it for economic reasons? In some cases political/religious asylum? I wonder why there have been no death threats on the muslim Miss USA woman?

SB, the bldg where the mosque is planned was damaged in the 9/11 attack, no?
NYC community board OKs ground zero mosque plans The Associated Press
This aerial photo of April 20, 2010, shows the New York city block, lower right, where a 13-story mosque is planned for construction two blocks north of the World Trade Center site, center left. The plan for the $100 million mosque and cultural center received initial support on Wednesday, May 5, 2010 from community board 1 in Lower Manhattan.

This is interesting:

May 27, 2010 5:00 AM
by Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury
The Mosque at Ground Zero, a Muslim View: Planting a Flag on an Islamic Conquest

As a believing Muslim, it is hard to see a mosque at Ground Zero in New York City as anything other than another horror-- a kick on the face to everyone who is still heavy with shock at the tragic death of 3,000 people killed by Islamist militants during the attack on 9/11. The mosque will cost over US$ 100 million; by now, money is already being shifted in the fund for its construction. Incidentally, a major segment of this money is coming from Arab nations, especially Saudis.
At this time, the largest mosque and cultural center in Manhattan is The Islamic Cultural Center of New York. This $17 million dollar center opened on April 15, 1991, just after the First Gulf War ended. Since September 11th, 2001, a number of controversial statements have came from at least two of the Center's leaders, both of them blaming the Jewish population for the attacks and denying any Muslim involvement.

The Mosque at Ground Zero, a Muslim View: Planting a Flag on an Islamic Conquest - Hudson New York

I love NYC for its diversity. But I usually think in terms of art and food.