Thread: FOX "news"

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

how is the poll-analysis going? Did you understand it yet?

But fox news says so...

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Like I said, they havn't had time for there brains to mature,

Lovely and unbiased . . .

Oh, how is the poll-analysis going? Did you understand it yet?

Originally Posted by RPETER65

polls are showing many of those Obama voters are now having buyers remorse.

Can you show me three, please . . . if possble from relatively independent sources . . . or is this just more obfuscating rubbish?

Do your own research. I guess you didn't understand my reply to your first post about my ability read the poll. If 27 percent off viewers 30 to 55 how does that add up to only old geezers watching Fox news. I would be more interested in the numbers, 80 percent of a few hundred watching a far left idiot dosesn't add up to much.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

how is the poll-analysis going? Did you understand it yet?

But fox news says so...

Is Fox news all you have to refer to, like I have said before I don't get Fox news.

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Like I said, they havn't had time for there brains to mature,

Lovely and unbiased . . .

Oh, how is the poll-analysis going? Did you understand it yet?

Originally Posted by RPETER65

polls are showing many of those Obama voters are now having buyers remorse.

Can you show me three, please . . . if possble from relatively independent sources . . . or is this just more obfuscating rubbish?

There is no such thing as independent sources.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

There is no such thing as independent sources.

there is such a thing as poisoned right wing blogs..

Originally Posted by neemo

Nah..., of course all the commie media immature lefties frequent (they always remain 12 years tops throughout life), such as the NYT are biased and lie.

Sensible, responsible, mature people know one gets nothing but truth and balance from FOX and Hannity.

It's not racist to believe blacks are stupid nor bigotted to hate Muslims because they're barbaric terrorists.

You're right, it's just cretinous.

You only have to listen to Fox and Hannity banging on about Executive Orders as if they are something new or even that Obama is using them more than anyone else - completely ignoring the Republicans presidents that put Obama to shame, and the checks and balances in play that mean Congress could stop any single one of them if they weren't constitutional.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

There is no such thing as independent sources.

there is such a thing as poisoned right wing blogs..

and over the top libtard blogs, ah yes your hero George Soros

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by neemo

Nah..., of course all the commie media immature lefties frequent (they always remain 12 years tops throughout life), such as the NYT are biased and lie.

Sensible, responsible, mature people know one gets nothing but truth and balance from FOX and Hannity.

It's not racist to believe blacks are stupid nor bigotted to hate Muslims because they're barbaric terrorists.

You're right, it's just cretinous.

You only have to listen to Fox and Hannity banging on about Executive Orders as if they are something new or even that Obama is using them more than anyone else - completely ignoring the Republicans presidents that put Obama to shame, and the checks and balances in play that mean Congress could stop any single one of them if they weren't constitutional.

I doubt a split congress would be able stop anything and Obama is well aware of it.

I know in the wingnut blogsphere it's not required to back up one's claims, but it's forum etiquette to do so when asked where you got it from.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I doubt a split congress would be able stop anything and Obama is well aware of it.

You doubt it because you know that he hasn't done anything yet that exceeds his powers.

And anyway there is always the Supreme Court as you well know.

This Kenyan Muslim commie has dodged the law and the courts all his life, don't ya know?

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Why would I be interested in posting my sources

^ So, when you post nonsense like this:

Originally Posted by RPETER65
polls are showing many of those Obama voters are now having buyers remorse.

What you're really saying is,

"There is no poll; I just made this up and don't actually have a source."

Typical...

Originally Posted by RPETER65

ah yes your hero George Soros

Nice red herring!

Now, tell us why you want to refer to Soros in a thread about FOX..

FOX, MSNBC, CNN ... none of them are worth a crap. Only watch the local news ... KOMO, KING5 or Q13 and move on to ESPN.

Watching the Big 3 is just a bunch of aggravating bullshit.

Heaven is for real. It's a Hannity interview.

And there is a million dollar book deal and movie coming, by the way.

Heaven is for real.

Immediately before the presidential election in 2012, Fox News viewers were certain of one thing: Mitt Romney was going to win. It didn’t matter that poll after poll had President Barack Obama winning by a comfortable margin. Conservative pundits Michael Barone, George Will and Dick Morris all expected Romney to earn more than 300 electoral votes. Even after Obama's victory was certain on election night, Karl Rove wouldn't admit defeat.

For those of us reading Nate Silver and other election forecasters, those conservative predictions were laughably bad. And election night proved us correct: Obama won with 332 electoral votes. The millions of Republicans who were shocked and disappointed on election night were not let down by their hubris, although it undoubtedly played a role. The real fault lies with conservative media system, which had become an echo chamber of right wing talking points that did not reflect the national landscape.

In the aftermath of Obama’s reelection, smart conservatives argued that the right wing media was putting their party at a disadvantage by obscuring the truth. “You haven't just been misinformed about the horse race,” the Atlantic’s Conor Friedersdorf wrote. “Since the very beginning of the election cycle, conservative media has been failing you.” While Friedersdorf hoped the shellacking would be an awakening for the party, he doubted it would be. Nineteen months later, Friedersdorf is looking prophetic: A new Brookings and Public Religion Research Institute poll shows just how out of touch Fox News viewers are with both their fellow Republicans and the rest of the country. They learned nothing from 2012.

The Brookings/PRRI report surveyed 1,538 adults focused on immigration reform, but also included questions on their news preferences and a collection of other policy issues. The focus on new preferences allowed the researchers to divide the Republican respondents into two groups: those that most trust Fox News “to provide accurate information about politics and current events” and those that most trust a different network. The former, whom the authors label “Fox News Republicans,” made up 53 percent of Republican respondents. “Non-Fox News Republicans” made up the remaining 47 percent. This was an easy split to make, but for Democrats there was no clear divide on news preferences. Thirty one percent of Democrats most trusted broadcast news stations (ABC, NBC, and CBS) while another 26 percent chose CNN. Smaller percentages chose public television (14 percent), MSNBC (10 percent) and the Daily Show with Jon Stewart (9 percent).



In other words, the Republican Party is extremely polarized among its news choices while the Democratic Party is scattered among a number of networks.

This makes a huge difference for the policy preferences among Republicans. For instance, 42 percent of Fox News Republicans support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. For Non-Fox News Republicans, it’s 60 percent. That puts the views of Non-Fox News Republicans closer to those of Independents (61 percent support a path to citizenship) and Democrats (70 percent).

The difference is even starker in terms of views of immigrants. Sixty percent of Fox News Republicans say immigrants are a burden, compared to just 33 percent who believe they strengthen the country. For Non-Fox News Republicans, the numbers are nearly reversed: 56 percent believe immigrants strengthen the country, compared with 38 percent who believe they are a burden. As the chart below shows, the views of Non-Fox News Republicans are once again closer to the views of all Americans than Fox News Republicans:



A similar dynamic exists for Republican views on whether immigrants threaten American customs and values. In fact, on every issue, Fox News Republicans are more conservative than Non-Fox News Republicans (click to enlarge):



That makes Fox News the home of the Republican Party’s most conservative members. But those members would have found a home somewhere. It’s telling that they have done so at the Republican Party’s preeminent media source, but it does not disqualify the network from delivering factually correct news. Except the Brookings/PRRI survey also finds that Fox News Republicans are the most uninformed on immigration issues as well. Sixty four percent of Fox News Republicans wrongly believe that illegal immigration has increased during the past few years. Adults who most trust the broadcast nations do not excel at that question either: 46 percent believe that illegal immigration has increased. But that’s much better than Fox News viewers.

That doesn’t mean Fox News is at fault for their viewers’ ignorance. It’s impossible to determine causality from this survey. Fox News may attract extremely conservative viewers or it may make conservative viewers more extreme. It’s likely a combination of the two. “It is not possible from this data to offer a precise solution to the chicken-and-egg question — whether the more important fact is that those with very conservative views are already attracted to Fox or whether Fox turns its viewers into conservatives,” the authors write. “What is clear is that conservative are drawn to Fox, and that Fox may, in turn, reinforce and perhaps harden conservative views.”

Those hardened views are at odds not only with the rest of America, but also with the remaining 47 percent of the Republican Party who trust other news sources. In turn, Fox News viewers receive a warped view of the political landscape. They—and Republican congressmen—may not consider Fox News an extreme news source. They may think it represents the center of the GOP. Under that mindset, presidential candidates should adopt a policy platform that appeals to the average Fox News viewer. But that’s a mistake when the average Fox News member is an extreme conservative. Instead of adopting a position that can garner support from the entire political spectrum of the Republican Party, they have chosen one that turns off moderate Republicans and appeals directly to extreme conservatives. Those moderate Republicans may ultimately vote for the GOP, but this strategy almost certainly alienates independent voters.

This makes the Fox News echo chamber a hazard for the party. It creates extreme candidates under the guise that they are electable, builds up a false narrative that they are in fact electable and then acts surprised when that narrative doesn’t play itself out. In 2012, this storyline was on full display. In the aftermath of that defeat, Fox and the Republican Party had the chance to fix it by reorganizing the station’s content with more moderate hosts and more accurate coverage. They have chosen not to do so—and it’s only going to continue to hurt them in 2016.

Brookings Survey: Fox News Home of Most Conservative Republicans | New Republic

25 percent of Americans believe Fox news most trusted
5 percent of Americans believe MSNBC most trusted

Originally Posted by RPETER65

25 percent of Americans believe Fox news most trusted
5 percent of Americans believe MSNBC most trusted

Another Fox poll?

Old, white, wrinkled and angry, they are slipping from polite society in alarming numbers. We’re losing much of a generation. They often sport hats or other clothing, some marking their status as veterans, Tea Partyers or “patriots” of some kind or another. They have yellow flags, bumper stickers and an unquenchable rage. They used to be the brave men and women who took on America’s challenges, tackling the ’60s, the Cold War and the Reagan years — but now many are terrified by the idea of slightly more affordable healthcare and a very moderate Democrat in the White House.

We’re losing people like my father to the despair of Fox News, and it’s all by design.

My dad is 67 years old, a full year younger than the average Fox viewer, who is 68, according to an analysis in New York magazine by columnist Frank Rich. I’ve read accounts of people my age — 40 or so — losing parents to cancer or Alzheimer’s, but just as big a tragedy are the crops of grandmothers and grandfathers debilitated by Fox News-induced hysteria.

I enjoyed Fox News for many years, as a libertarian and frequent Republican voter. I used to share many, though not all, of my father’s values, but something happened over the past few years. As I drifted left, the white, Republican right veered into incalculable levels of conservative rage, arriving at their inevitable destination with the creation of the Tea Party movement.

When I finally pulled the handle for Obama in 2012, my father could not believe how far I’d fallen. I have avoided talking politics with him as much as possible ever since. Last week, I invited him to my house for dinner with the express purpose of talking about politics and most especially his Fox News addiction. Since he retired, he only watches Fox. As we started chatting up politics, I repeated one mantra over and over: “Please, please, consume another source of information.” I repeated my plea a dozen times. He defended with stridency his choices, citing his favorites, like Stuart Varney, “The Five” and the great Charles Krauthammer. When it came to any other source of information he was emphatic.

“I don’t care to see any more of that liberal bullshit,” he said in one form or another all night.

We rehashed some issues, starting with his absolute skepticism about global warming and evolution. “Science and religion are the same thing,” he said. And, “We didn’t come from a fucking monkey,” he added like he always does.

In real life Archie Bunker isn’t that cute. If he’s Archie, that makes me either Meat Head or Sallie Struthers (the very definition of lose-lose).

I’m overeducated in the humanities, so I’m an imperfect ambassador for science. I respect scholarship, peer review and the scientific method. When I tell my dad he should believe the experts in climate science, he gets really mad.

“Global warming is your religion,” he says. Because I’m an atheist, calling me religious is the worst insult he can summon, so he uses it often.

My father sincerely believes that science is a political plot, Christians are America’s most persecuted minority and Barack Obama is a full-blown communist. He supports the use of force without question, as long as it’s aimed at foreigners. He thinks liberals are all stupid, ignorant fucks who hate America.

I don’t recall my father being so hostile when I was growing up. He was conservative, to be sure, but conventionally and thoughtfully so. He is a kind and generous man and a good father, but over the past five or 10 years, he’s become so conservative that I can’t even find a label for it.

What has changed? He consumes a daily diet of nothing except Fox News. He has for a decade or more. He has no email account and doesn’t watch sports. He refuses to so much as touch a keyboard and has never been on the Internet, ever. He thinks higher education destroys people, not only because of Fox News, but also because I drifted left during and after graduate school.

I do not blame or condemn my father for his opinions. If you consumed a daily diet of right-wing fury, erroneously labeled “news,” you could very likely end up in the same place. Again, this is all by design. Let’s call it the Fox News effect. Take sweet, kindly senior citizens and feed them a steady stream of demagoguery and repetition, all wrapped in the laughable slogan of “fair and balanced.” Even watching the commercials on Fox, one is treated to sales pitches for gold and emergency food rations, the product cornerstones of the paranoid. To some people the idea of retirees yelling at the television all day may seem funny, but this isn’t a joke. We’re losing the nation’s grandparents, and it’s an American tragedy.

People talk about the imminent “death” of Fox News itself, because of an ever-aging demographic. Again, Frank Rich makes this case, but I think his argument is dubious. Certainly the audience is graying to oblivion, but it’s a cold comfort to those of us who watch our parents or grandparents drown in an incessant downpour of outrage. We will only see the “End of Fox News” when my father and his contemporaries die. I do not want to watch my father and his entire generation spend their remaining years enraged at utter nonsense.

My cohort, Generation X, is stuck between two generations of suffering Americans. The millennial generation is losing job opportunities and income as the nation stagnates. They put off marriage and buying homes. While white, Fox News-addicted baby boomers have lost their sense of hope. They’ve been passed over by shifting attitudes about gay marriage, the role of government and a host of issues. They still think of themselves as the “silent majority,” when in reality they are a wounded and thrashing legacy of white hegemony. My parents’ generation is becoming fragile antiques, relics by choice, reassured by Fox News that they are still the only voice that matters.

I, and people like me, have managed to break the cycle of conservative red-and race-baiting. I’ve noticed similar attitude shifts among some of my close friends, who have likewise drifted from the televised rage of our fathers. I only wish I could do something to ease the anxiety of those I love, an emotion that is a cash cow for exploitative right-wing commentators. But I have no real solution, other than to turn off the television. Sadly, for some of the nation’s elderly, they seem to have no desire whatsoever to rethink the politics of fear and Fox News. It’s a criminal waste of retirement.

I lost my dad to Fox News: How a generation was captured by thrashing hysteria - Salon.com

Originally Posted by RPETER65

25 percent of Americans believe Fox news most trusted

Do you believe that McDonald's is the best restaurant?

Originally Posted by bsnub

I used to share many, though not all, of my father’s values, but something happened over the past few years. As I drifted left, the white, Republican right veered into incalculable levels of conservative rage

Ditto. They changed, not me.

I disagree, they didn't change, they were simply becoming more obvious in their fascist agenda, to a point that even "blind" conservatives could no longer tolerate such tactics by being exposed for what they were from the beginning: sheep following a naturally fascist movement

Basically they took the pointy hats off and hid themselves among mainstream conservatives.

Now they're taking over, for decades they've been preaching doctrines of racism and hatred under the guise of "protecting Christian family values".

Originally Posted by bsnub

Fox News Republicans are more conservative than Non-Fox News Republicans

Originally Posted by bsnub

That makes Fox News the home of the Republican Party’s most conservative members.

I wish the media would stop confusing right wing with conservative- frankly, this is just a right wing semantic ploy. Conservatism is slightly 'right of centre', but once you go too far right, you are no longer conservative.