Thread: Quagmire....

Originally Posted by sabang

THE WAR IN IRAQ HAS TO BEEN WON BY THE IRAQI PEOPLE AND THE REALIZATION THAT THE COALITION FORCES ARE THERE TO HELP THEM AND NOT TAKE OVER THEIR COUNTRY IS THE FIRST STEP !!!

After the 650,000 dead on the back of this murderous invasion Kid, you have no hope.
Get out as cleanly as you can, it is the only hope.
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Why should coalition forces be seen as responsable for deaths of people when they are killing each other???

Using your WAY OF THINKING--- the thai government is responsable for the deaths of every person killed in the SOUTHERN PROBLEM also then???

If China invaded the U.S., removed the government, and eliminated the police forces and lawlessness ensued would that be the fault of China or the fault of Americans?

Someone should have anticipated what would happened when Iraqis are set free to realize who they really are. Free at last! Allah akbar free at last!

edit: hey folks, there's some good stuff on the previous page.

Were the Iraqis killing each other prior to our arrival (car bombings, etc)?

One of the brilliant strategies of post World War II was to keep much of the defeated governments' organs in place. Our failures in both Vietnam and Iraq were to support governments which, for the most part, were/are loathed by most citizens.

Our worst failure in Iraq (thus far) was getting rid of anyone in the government who was a Baathist.

From execution to the current quagmire the entire process is, has been, and will be a failure.

One of these days (maybe) America will stop forcing other countries to buy American products and have an American-style government using the threat of force.

The way chosen by the United States was plainly marked by a few clear precepts, which govern its conduct in world affairs.

First: No people on earth can be held, as a people, to be enemy, for all humanity shares the common hunger for peace and fellowship and justice.

Second: No nation's security and well-being can be lastingly achieved in isolation but only in effective cooperation with fellow-nations.

Third: Any nation's right to form of government and an economic system of its own choosing is inalienable.

Fourth: Any nation's attempt to dictate to other nations their form of government is indefensible.

Dwight D. Eisenhower Presidential Library

Originally Posted by surasak

Were the Iraqis killing each other prior to our arrival (car bombings, etc)?

The Red Herring of all time.
No, but Saddam was killing more of those folks per day than are dying today...

Just a quick comment to this thread- G.W. Bush needs to get the F#%K out of office before he sinks what was once a great Nation!

Originally Posted by surasak

Were the Iraqis killing each other prior to our arrival (car bombings, etc)?

One of the brilliant strategies of post World War II was to keep much of the defeated governments' organs in place. Our failures in both Vietnam and Iraq were to support governments which, for the most part, were/are loathed by most citizens.

Our worst failure in Iraq (thus far) was getting rid of anyone in the government who was a Baathist.

From execution to the current quagmire the entire process is, has been, and will be a failure.

One of these days (maybe) America will stop forcing other countries to buy American products and have an American-style government using the threat of force.

The way chosen by the United States was plainly marked by a few clear precepts, which govern its conduct in world affairs.

First: No people on earth can be held, as a people, to be enemy, for all humanity shares the common hunger for peace and fellowship and justice.

Second: No nation's security and well-being can be lastingly achieved in isolation but only in effective cooperation with fellow-nations.

Third: Any nation's right to form of government and an economic system of its own choosing is inalienable.

Fourth: Any nation's attempt to dictate to other nations their form of government is indefensible.

Dwight D. Eisenhower Presidential Library

Thanks for the Eisenhower quote.

According to the FRONTLINE report the Iraqi military was very enthusiastic and asked what they could do to be of service. When they were dismissed and told to go home it was a major loss of face. They should have been fed, housed and paid to stay on their bases to line up every morning for roll call. Too many missing roll call from having skipped out would be a clear indicator that a problem was arising.

The failures of the administration still doesn't dismiss the peculiar behavior of targeting women and children for murder, sawing off heads, gouging out eyeballs or drilling into body parts. To call all other nations who funded revolutions terrorist states in an attempt to make Middle Eastern politics more palatable is a clever trick if they can pull it off. I'm not buying into it.

Why don't the vicious mutilating killers admit they are gay and then make love not war? They'll feel allot better and the people around them will too. Sexual frustration leads to violence.

Originally Posted by The_Dude

Just a quick comment to this thread- G.W. Bush needs to get the F#%K out of office before he sinks what was once a great Nation!

He is doing a great job. Osama think he should stay a few more years to accomplish his work.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by surasak

Were the Iraqis killing each other prior to our arrival (car bombings, etc)?

The Red Herring of all time.
No, but Saddam was killing more of those folks per day than are dying today...

If that were true why did we let him stand trial for only killing a few?

It's official. al-Sadr's Ministers are pulling out of the government.

So, Mr. McCain....where is the plan B?

Iraqi Shi'ite cleric's bloc pulls out of govt
Reuters
By Waleed Ibrahim BAGHDAD, April 16 (Reuters) - Shi'ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr ordered his ministers to quit Iraq's government on Monday in protest at Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's refusal to set a timetable for a U.S. troop withdrawal. Sadr's populist movement, which draws its support mainly from Iraq's Shi'ite poor, holds six ministries and a quarter of the parliamentary...

Entire: Iraqi Shi'ite cleric's bloc pulls out of govt - Worldnews.com

^he is pissed coz he soldiers got caught double dealing and were arrested .

And of course there is the TIME TABLE ISSUE-- How can there be a pull out date if the Iraqis won't stand up and take control????

Originally Posted by KID

^he is pissed coz he soldiers got caught double dealing and were arrested .

And of course there is the TIME TABLE ISSUE-- How can there be a pull out date if the Iraqis won't stand up and take control????

True, Kid.

I wonder how this will play out. He claims he wants an "independent" group/people to replace his cabinet seats. Hmm....

Originally Posted by attaboy

According to the FRONTLINE report the Iraqi military was very enthusiastic and asked what they could do to be of service. When they were dismissed and told to go home it was a major loss of face. They should have been fed, housed and paid to stay on their bases to line up every morning for roll call. Too many missing roll call from having skipped out would be a clear indicator that a problem was arising.

A major part of the problem is the lack of jobs. Unemployed persons who don't have a source of income are far more likely to be anti-government and support criminals and other riff-raff who promise money in exchange for support.

This is a major reason why Hamas/Hezbollah receive such strong support.

^ I already greened you for a previous post. I agree most people just want the self-respect of knowing they can provide for their family.

Totally agreed.

What happened to the gay terrorists?

I think the statement lacked a url link to a BBC article.

https://teakdoor.com/issues/5440-what...tml#post152532

Originally Posted by attaboy

I think the statement lacked a url link to a BBC article.

I am sure you could have found a blog to link to.

Can we at least admit some of the terrorists are sadists and mentally ill? Then maybe we can progress to what brings about their illness. I propose they are gay and unable to express their gayness without scorn and violence being inflicted on them. Their sexual frustration brings about violence on their part. The types of sadistic acts they perform on helpless victims suggests to me they are suppressing gay feelings. It's not healthy for them or the people around them. Set them free to be themselves so we can all live in peace.

Originally Posted by attaboy

Can we at least admit some of the terrorists are sadists and mentally ill?.

Ya see that's very difficult for people like John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi and Teddy boy. They think we can have a reasoned discourse with these deranged people.

Sure they eventually talked the IRA down off their terrorist activities.
But the current Islamofacist isn't like the IRA.

If they're capable of such depravity because of some homosexual tendencies it is highly unlikely it will be resolved in a muslim society where homosexuals and publicly executed.

Quagmire it is indeed.