Thread: Maybe a bit heavy for a Saturday Night..but what the hell

Originally Posted by blackgang

and so much for your eisenhauer link as such a bad man. I didn't vote for him tho and he sure fucked up our economy.

But the critics exclaimed if there were a million dead, where were the bodies? Did Eisenhower have such vast power that he could order starvation on a mass scale and keep it a secret? Was the undoubted suffering in the camps, especially the transit camps along the Rhine, the result of Eisenhower's policy or the result of the chaotic conditions that prevailed in Europe in the spring and summer of 1945?




Their second conclusion was, "when scholars do the necessary research, they will find Bacque's work to be worse than worthless. It is seriously - nay, spectacularly - flawed in its most fundamental aspects". They accused that, "he misuses documents; he misreads documents; he ignores contrary evidence; his statistical methodology is hopelessly compromised; he makes no attempt to look at comparative contexts; he puts words into the mouth of his principal source; he ignores a readily available and absolutely critical source that decisively deals with his central accusation; and, as a consequence of these and other shortcomings, he reaches conclusions and makes charges that are demonstrably absurd."
The final conclusion of historians was that Eisenhower was an enthusiastic supporter of denazification, but not because he hated the Germans or believed in collective guilt. On the contrary, he believed that there were Germans who were committed to democracy and that the task of the occupation was to find them and bring them to the fore.
In a speech in Frankfurt in 1945, he declared, "The success or failure of this occupation will be judged by the character of the Germans 50 years from now. Proof will come when they begin to run a democracy of their own and we are going to give the Germans a chance to do that, in time."
Historians exclaimed, "This does not sound like a man who simultaneously was directing the death by starving a million of young Germans."

Aww, shit, come on...you only gave me ten minutes before you were going to have me scatched!

The Jews have had nigh on 60 years and a much bigger budget!

I don't see any comments about the USS Liberty.......will these be forthcoming?...
The Captain was probably some Anti Semitic Faggot anyway..probably a Holocaust Denier..got what they deserved!

Originally Posted by keda

Originally Posted by Lily

Originally Posted by keda

Sadly that is a fact, and sadder still that facts are things with which you clearly have issues.

Calling people idiots again Keda?

What I find sad, is that you would come on to a thread, post nothling to add to the thread, but be a drama queen about a misquote, which you know very well is easy to do.
And call it 'malicious' and an 'allegation'.

You small, small minded little man.

I've already said why I do not wish to contribute to this thread, based on its assertions early on. If that upsets you, then it is you that's upset not me.

This does not give you a license to - again - lie in the hope that if you lie often enough some of the other idiots at rat belly level may be taken in.

Now, instead of running around like a deranged woman in urgent need of comfort, how about you - again - retract your vicious and entirely baseless lies? - or, will it take another several pages before you grudgingly concede that you are a liar - again?

Well, will you? - won't you? - perhaps instead of admitting you are a silly little girl looking for attention, you can now accuse me of something else...here's a clever one...you are a woman, albeit daft, and I called you silly and told you to stop lying - therefore I must be a misogynist?

Yes, that's a good one and there are enough other idiots on the board to support both you and your persistent lies.

You must be flagellating yourself as we speak...I expect you have wrapped youself in explosives and are on the bus to the nearest Christian Church to "self detonate"
Thank god/Allah/Bhudda and anyone else who supports democracy and free speech!

Who was it that said, "Of course you can have free speech, as long as you are not stupid enough to try it" or somewhere along those lines! It was definately an American!

We should now target the discussion on that vile piece of excrement Henry Kissinger...comments? A "man" /dog, hailed as a "peacemaker, wanted in many coutries as a WAR CRIMINAL....another Zionist I believe, or Aerial Sharon, Aeriel used to get my clothes clean when I was a kid...Perrez....Gurion...come on, lets clear the air. or we could discuss the traitors to America like you have had with the past few presidents... maybe a google on the + 47 deaths surrounding Bill Sperm Splash Clinton..go on do a search...it's fucking frightening..!

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

I don't see any comments about the USS Liberty.......will these be forthcoming?...
The Captain was probably some Anti Semitic Faggot anyway..probably a Holocaust Denier..got what they deserved!

Still a lot of suspiscion and mystery surrounding the Liberty affair. How it was swept under the rug that is concerning.

Originally Posted by blackgang

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

And try here for a bit of PATRIOTISM! The USS Liberty

Shit happend all the time, have you ever heard of death by friendly fire?
Remember here just a short time back where a US navy ship shot down an Iran airliner with a full load of people onboard. another tactical fuck up.

PLEASE DON'T INSULT MY "LIMITED" INTELLIGENCE ! YOU TRIGGER HAPPY FUCKING IDIOTS OF AN ARMY KILLED MORE PEOPLE UNDER FRIENDLY FIRE, BLUE ON BLUE THAN ANYONE IN HISTORY, ESPECIALLY THE IRAQ WARS, YEAH SHIT HAPPENS... BUT THE LIBERTY WAS A DIFFERENT KIND OF SHIT! SO DON'T MAKE EXCUSES THERE, YOUR OWN COMMANDERS TOLD YOUR OWN FIREPOWER TO "GET OUT OF IT" AND NOT ENGAGE THE JEWS, AND THAT CAME FROM WAY UP HIGH..THAT CAPTAIN OF THE LIBERTY, GOT SHIT ON FROM A BIG HEIGHT!!

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

I still see nothing to disproove any of the facts, whatever the guy is, he is entitled to his opinion, (which is all that this is about at the end of the day) Where are the FACTS that PROOVE that 6 million Jews were killed during the 2nd world war...you report a few boxcars... with starved or dying "people" (not Jews) could they fit 6 million into those boxcars?

Thats right they were not links to any kind of historical facts but just a guy who has a book he wants to sell and not a fact in it.
Or a nutcase of a radio talk show who is a nutcase also.

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

Well, you can't always be one sided..All I am saying is there should be a freedom for discussion, no one is right, no one is wrong, fuck I have had the tables turned on my beliefs in the past few years that any thing is possible...we could start another one about 9/11?

You can start anything you please, but you have no proof on anything that you have posted so far in this thread, nothing but fiction that you have read and as I said before, I have been alive and do remember the war from start to finish and none of what you have posted was ever a fact.
The Russians were damn hard on German POWs in Poland and some POWs were reclassified as is stated, but not to be used as slave labor but so that they could be let go so that they could fend for themselves and their familys, what the fuck would the US Army do with slave labor,, use your fuvking head for something besides keeping your ears from rubbing together,, we had no buisnesses running in germany where we needed labor, all they were was someone to feed, so reclasify and release

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

reckon is a fair price for 12 gauge 00 Buckshot? I see in the US, you can buy 24 shots for about 6 Dollars

Pobly $6 or $8 a box, I will find out maybe tomorrow and let you know what they cost there.

Originally Posted by jandajoy

make your own.

Easier said than done, you need caps/primers, and shot, Powder, and wads and a press and a set of dies for what ever you are loading.
Then you need a damned accurate powder scale that weighs in grains for powder, and one in grams for shot... black powder of the right size grind you can get by with to much as it will only burn so fast and the rest burns outside after it leaves the barrel, but the finer it is the faster it goes so to fine and it can blow up the gun, for a shotgun I would use FFG at most FFFFG would be a mite fast and is a prining powder , FG is a real slow one so you could load a pound of it and it would burn for 50 feet after it left the bore.
I used to have a bunch of brass cases and you would need a decapping tool and a capping tool to reprime them but with light loads they would need resizing very seldom.
But they were 3 inch and damned spendy.
But you have to remember that with 00 buck you are shooting the most powerful shells made in their size, and if you slip up and load a 3" or a magnum load it might demolish your gun,, they are a full firld load and for much shooting a trap load is a lot safer for what you are burning them in, most guys can't stand a full box at one session thru a riotgun without flinching because of the recoil.

No way I want to go down the Black Powder way, I'll probably end up in bits...then I won't be able to have a good YACK with Blackgang,

BG, you certainly know your stuff with powder, that is nooo way for me..the only scales I have tell me the wife is getting fatter! I measured the barrel and after you load the shell you really have less than 2 inches, the end of the shell is almost poking out of the barrel. (Guess there is little chance of the thing fouling the barrel seeing there is no barrel to foul!)

I was only curious if any of you guys have bought 12 gauge 00 buckshot here and what is a reasonable price? Obviously, reasonable price goes out of the window as it appears I will be buying off the local BIB! (The bastards want a minimum order of 100 shells!)

why worry about shit that is gone, it happened and now there is nothing can be done, I read a lot of history, paleontology, archeology, I find these things interesting, but mans inhumanity to man has no interest to me and it does no good to set and stew about it especially when you have neither the intelligence nor the finances to get set up, go where ever it is that bothers you and then kill who ever it that is bothering you and then make a getaway and come home.
And until you can do that you are a fool to stir shit that you can do nothing about, have neither the finances nor the guts to even try..
But if you are serious then you should contact the CIA as that would solve the financial end and they would take care of the logistics and then you would only have to furnish the intelligence and guts if you got em.

When I was about 12 I bought a large ammount of Sulphur from the chemists (Pharmacy) a large ammount of "Salt Peter"...Pottasium something or other from a gardening shop, and mixed this together with some ground up charcoal drawing pencils ( whilst my mother was out doing her part time job, and, my old man was upstairs sleeping after a 12 hour shift on nightshift)

After mixing the chemicals together in a small tin on the kitchen table, it appeared they would not ignite!

It was only after I stuck an exploding "Puck" match into the concoction that I realised the potency, I was relieved of all facial hair, eyebrows, any pubescent growth, about 1 inch of my hair around my head had disappeared, and the whole sitting room ceiling had turned completely black!

About 30 seconds after this explosion, and it was a fucker of a bang, I heard the sleepy voice of my father, who, to be honest, was almost prepelleled to another world, hollor out from the bed, in a comatose state...."What are YouTwo FUCKERS DOING DOWN THERE?" Luckily we got away with it and he fell back asleep. Me and my brother cleaned the shit up the best we could..but to this day I can almost picture my old man rocketing to space on his bed, powered by his idiot sons!

Originally Posted by blackgang

Shit happend all the time, have you ever heard of death by friendly fire? Remember here just a short time back where a US navy ship shot down an Iran airliner with a full load of people onboard. another tactical fuck up.

Friendly fire is always thoroughly investigated. And the facts in this incident prove it wasn't friendly fire.

Twenty-six years have passed since that clear day on June 8, 1967 when Israel attacked the USS Liberty with aircraft and torpedo boats, killing 34 young men and wounding 171. The attack in international waters followed over nine hours of close surveillance. Israeli pilots circled the ship at low level 13 times on eight different occasions before attacking. Radio operators in Spain, Lebanon, Germany and aboard the ship itself all heard the pilots reporting to their headquarters that this was an American ship. They attacked anyway. And when the ship failed to sink, the Israeli government concocted an elaborate story to cover the crime.
There is no question that this attack on a U.S. Navy ship was deliberate. This was a coordinated effort involving air, sea, headquarters and commando forces attacking over a long period. It was not the "few rounds of misdirected fire" that Israel would have the world believe. Worse, the Israeli excuse is a gross and detailed fabrication that disagrees entirely with the eyewitness recollections of survivors. Key American leaders call the attack deliberate. More important, eyewitness participants from the Israeli side have told survivors that they knew they were attacking an American ship.

Israeli Pilot Speaks Up

Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.
Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot's radio report. The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said. He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel.
The pilot's protests also were heard by radio monitors in the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon. Then-U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter has confirmed this. Porter told his story to syndicated columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak and offered to submit to further questioning by authorities. Unfortunately, no one in the U.S. government has any interest in hearing these first-person accounts of Israeli treachery.
Key members of the Lyndon Johnson administration have long agreed that this attack was no accident. Perhaps most outspoken is former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Thomas Moorer. "I can never accept the claim that this was a mistaken attack," he insists.
Former Secretary of State Dean Rusk is equally outspoken, calling the attack deliberate in press and radio interviews. Similarly strong language comes from top leaders of the Central Intelligence Agency, National Security Agency (some of whose personnel were among the victims), National Security Council, and from presidential advisers such as Clark Clifford, Joseph Califano and Lucius Battle.
A top-secret analysis of Israel's excuse conducted by the Department of State found Israel's story to be untrue. Yet Israel and its defenders continue to stand by their claim that the attack was a "tragic accident" in which Israel mistook the most modern electronic surveillance vessel in the world for a rusted-out 40-year-old Egyptian horse transport.
Despite the evidence, no U.S. administration has ever found the courage to ever found the courage to defy the Israeli lobby by publicly demanding a proper accounting from Israel.

How Does Congress React to These Complaints?

Most members of Congress respond to inquiries about the Liberty with seemingly sympathetic promises to "investigate." Weeks or months later they write again to report their "findings": "The Navy investigated in 1967 and found no evidence that the attack was deliberate," they say." Israel apologized, calling the attack a tragic case of misidentification, and paid damages for loss of life, injuries and property damage. The matter is closed.
The fact is, however, that the Navy's "investigation" examined only the quality of the crew's training, the adequacy of communications and the performance of the crew under fire. The Navy was forbidden to examine Israeli culpability and Navy investigators refused to allow testimony showing that the attack was deliberate or that Israel's excuse was untrue.

The Navy blocked all testimony about Israeli actions.

Instead of determining whether the attack was deliberate, the Navy blocked all testimony about Israeli actions. No survivor was permitted to describe the close in machine-gun fire that continued for 40 minutes after Israel claims all firing stopped. No survivor was allowed to talk about the life rafts the Israeli torpedo men machine-gunned in the water. No survivor was permitted to challenge defects and fabrications in Israel's story. Even my eyewitness testimony as officer-of-the deck was withheld from the official record. No evidence of Israeli culpability was "found" because no such testimony was allowed. To survivors, this was not an investigation. It was a cover-up.

The Assault on the USS Liberty Still Covered Up After 26 Years

Originally Posted by blackgang

why worry about shit that is gone, it happened and now there is nothing can be done, I read a lot of history, paleontology, archeology, I find these things interesting, but mans inhumanity to man has no interest to me and it does no good to set and stew about it especially when you have neither the intelligence nor the finances to get set up, go where ever it is that bothers you and then kill who ever it that is bothering you and then make a getaway and come home.
And until you can do that you are a fool to stir shit that you can do nothing about, have neither the finances nor the guts to even try..
But if you are serious then you should contact the CIA as that would solve the financial end and they would take care of the logistics and then you would only have to furnish the intelligence and guts if you got em.

I agree, but sometimes you need to rock the boat a little...people need to wake up and think, use the old head, brush out the cobwebs, and look at life from a different perspective...My biggest gripe is the denial of free speech, I don't give a shit who they are, black white Jew muslim...speak your mind...I don't offer any answers, I know I provoke, but that makes for dicussion! and that is all I am trying to say!

I see no freedom of speech gone except here in Thailand and some has been gone for sometime tho as long as I can remember you have not been allowed to bad mouth the royal family, but as far as saying I do not believe all this shit about the Holocaust being a jail house offense, not in my life time it ain't, maybe if you set up on a radio and started this shit like you have been doing on here you would be unplugged, but I still see no lose of freedom as you have stated.

Originally Posted by blackgang

I see no freedom of speech gone except here in Thailand and some has been gone for sometime tho as long as I can remember you have not been allowed to bad mouth the royal family, but as far as saying I do not believe all this shit about the Holocaust being a jail house offense, not in my life time it ain't, maybe if you set up on a radio and started this shit like you have been doing on here you would be unplugged, but I still see no lose of freedom as you have stated.

We are in the West, much more able to have free speech, but this is the whole point of the argument, we protect free speech, we advocate it, we promote it, we encourage it...up to a point!
When Free Speech starts to question anything to do with certain minorities, it then becomes a different matter!

When I was a kid at school, we did history lessons, you believed the teachers the books that they gave you..yes?

Now, as I get older, I feel as though I have been completely "conned" the more information that becomes available, the more I question those "history" lessons...it appears history is starting to be re written.

If I have learn't anything (ha ha) in the past years, it is to never EVER take anything at face value, there is always another side, nothing is black and white! In fact, the more you dig and question, the greyer things become, not clearer!

The point I am trying to make is that for years and years, the UK/US and probably many other "Free" countries have been conned into something that, if the REAL truth was known, whould never have went down that path in the first place.

It is not simply a case of preaching Anti Semitism (which in my oppinion is nothing but a free speech GAG), it is about presenting an alternative view, and what is more important THE FREEDOM TO EXPRESS IT!

It doesn't matter if I am talking about the holocaust, blacks, Hispanics...English, Welsh or whoever, there should be a platform for discussion! Without laws to GAG what these minorities or whoever dislike!

Has anyone ever seen a case where an Indian or Pakistani or Black has ever been charged with a RACE crime in the UK? I haven't, but if you have please post, as if it has happened, at least it would prove to me there was some JUSTICE!

The Jews have a monopoly on pity, sympathy and guilt, they use it everyday, through their media control, films news, newspapers, but if you speak against this, they then tar you with "Anti Semite"...and by Christ, that's worse than being a KKK member to a lot of people, purely from the way they have been conditioned to think by the very media I am talking about.

Anyway, I found a few more interesting links...you may want to read (or not) but I guess this discussion is about at the end of the road..(it's already been censored by moving it to this forum...) but if nothing else, I hope at least some people stop just believing the shit that gets rammed down our throats everyday in the press and on the TV, and to be honest, a big "hat's off" to TD for allowing this thread to go on...many sites would have closed this "Anti Semitic" Rant a long time ago!

USS Liberty Memorial
The USS Liberty Cover-Up
Jewish Terrorism
ISRAEL'S SACRED TERRORISM: Contents and Foreword
Tensions mount over probe into Jewish 'war crimes' - Haaretz - Israel News
HRP: Jewish War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity Under Communism, Part 1
HRP: Jewish War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity Under German Occupation, Part 2
HRP: Jewish War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity Immediately Following the Second World War, Part 3
HRP: Jewish War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity in the Middle East, Part 4

Happy reading!

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

that not ONE gas chamber was on German soil!

pedantry,

who built them in Poland then?

Originally Posted by jandajoy

Does your wife / partner (s) put up with your rants ? Or do they just disappear whilst you kick off ?

good question,

Originally Posted by jandajoy

Have you ever had an Angiogram ????

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

If I have learn't anything (ha ha) in the past years, it is to never EVER take anything at face value, there is always another side, nothing is black and white! In fact, the more you dig and question, the greyer things become, not clearer!

You believe that, yet you posted post after post of pure bullshit without a poven link or fact and you expect us to believe you.

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

The point I am trying to make is that for years and years, the UK/US and probably many other "Free" countries have been conned into something that, if the REAL truth was known, whould never have went down that path in the first place

What the fuck are you talking about now, the second world war?

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

GAG), it is about presenting an alternative view, and what is more important THE FREEDOM TO EXPRESS IT!

No one says you can't, you have been on here for 2 days and nites spouting all kinds of bullshit and not a word of truth can you prove, even post links to Radio talk hosts that are famous for starting bullshit trolls to get the rating up and you take it as fact and base a thread on it. and I do not see any cops hanging about your door.

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

Has anyone ever seen a case where an Indian or Pakistani or Black has ever been charged with a RACE crime in the UK

I that be the case then you should have restricted it to the UK and not let the world in to post on it.,,,Yes they poppeed some coons for that fiasco of the noose hanging in a tree down in LA or some southern state and the coons were convicted on some charges, and they aint the first, but there have been damn few.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

who built them in Poland then?

Yea, there were lots of Russian, Pole and other Asian countrys that had large jew populations that were slaughtered, not only in gas chambers, but machine gunned and shoved or fell into mass graves.

Originally Posted by blackgang

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

If I have learn't anything (ha ha) in the past years, it is to never EVER take anything at face value, there is always another side, nothing is black and white! In fact, the more you dig and question, the greyer things become, not clearer!

You believe that, yet you posted post after post of pure bullshit without a poven link or fact and you expect us to believe you.

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

The point I am trying to make is that for years and years, the UK/US and probably many other "Free" countries have been conned into something that, if the REAL truth was known, whould never have went down that path in the first place

What the fuck are you talking about now, the second world war?

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

GAG), it is about presenting an alternative view, and what is more important THE FREEDOM TO EXPRESS IT!

No one says you can't, you have been on here for 2 days and nites spouting all kinds of bullshit and not a word of truth can you prove, even post links to Radio talk hosts that are famous for starting bullshit trolls to get the rating up and you take it as fact and base a thread on it. and I do not see any cops hanging about your door.

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

Has anyone ever seen a case where an Indian or Pakistani or Black has ever been charged with a RACE crime in the UK

I that be the case then you should have restricted it to the UK and not let the world in to post on it.,,,Yes they poppeed some coons for that fiasco of the noose hanging in a tree down in LA or some southern state and the coons were convicted on some charges, and they aint the first, but there have been damn few.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

who built them in Poland then?

Yea, there were lots of Russian, Pole and other Asian countrys that had large jew populations that were slaughtered, not only in gas chambers, but machine gunned and shoved or fell into mass graves.

OK...you believe what you believe, fair enough, respect your point of view and your comments...it's a free world after all (in some places), lucky we are free enough to have opinions!

But you will not look further than the end of your nose!
Go and look at ALL of the posts..not just mine, and tell me you believe the shit you keep spouting?

I agree the Israelis have caused a lot of trouble in the mid east , Antony Eden and others gave them land that didn't belong to them taking it from the bedouin Arab , and creating the Israeli state pushing the Palestinians out . And they have been trying to expand the border all the time , where do they suppose the palestinians should go.

Originally Posted by nevets

I agree the Israelis have caused a lot of trouble in the mid east , Antony Eden and others gave them land that didn't belong to them taking it from the bedouin Arab , and creating the Israeli state pushing the Palestinians out . And they have been trying to expand the border all the time , where do they suppose the palestinians should go.

True, but if you voice that opinion in many circles you will be branded ans "anti semite" or Natzi!