Thread: Maybe a bit heavy for a Saturday Night..but what the hell

Originally Posted by keda

Sadly that is a fact, and sadder still that facts are things with which you clearly have issues.

Calling people idiots again Keda?

What I find sad, is that you would come on to a thread, post nothling to add to the thread, but be a drama queen about a misquote, which you know very well is easy to do.
And call it 'malicious' and an 'allegation'.

You small, small minded little man.

Originally Posted by Milkman

OP:

I agree that there are too many Zionist Jews in government, and this is a problem in the US.

Slowly, but steadily, more and more Americans are becoming aware of this.

They hold too many position in foreign policy positions in the US government.

The scary thing is not just the over representation of Zionists in US government positions relating to foreign policy, but also the almost total control they have over the US media. It is also widely accepted that Jews are hugely over represented in the financial systems of not just USA but many western countries.

Put all those things together and you end up with a situation where the Zionists have almost total control over the US government. This is quite obvious when one looks at the massive financial and military aid USA "GIVES" to Israel and the countless vetoes the USA has imposed in the UN to support Israel in the face of overwhelming condemnation of Israels continued human rights abuses in the Middle East.

The people of USA are not only having the wealth of their labour stolen and transferred to Israel, but their whole system of democracy and government has been corrupted by Zionists.

And anyone who speaks out about the Zionist control of US politics is automatically branded an anti semitic, Muslim terrorist sympathizer. Game set and match over for the people of USA.

Originally Posted by Bugs

Originally Posted by Plan B

The only reason I can see for this is that the holocaust helps to legitimise the state of Israel. To question the holocaust is to question the reasoning behind the creation of Israel.

IMHO the establishment of a Jewish nation was pretty much inevitable based upon the nations with the power back then. In late 1917 via the Balfour Declaration the UK basically said there will be a Jewish nation in Palestine. The establishment of a Jewish nation became almost inevitable after the end of WWI when the League of Nations granted control over the British Mandate of Palestine to the British. This was beofre the holocaust and while I would agree that the holocaust was at the forefront of peoples minds when Israel was finally created, I think even without the holocaust Israel would still have likely came to be.

That is true, but it doesn't suit some people's agenda.

Originally Posted by Panda

Originally Posted by Milkman

OP:

I agree that there are too many Zionist Jews in government, and this is a problem in the US.

Slowly, but steadily, more and more Americans are becoming aware of this.

They hold too many position in foreign policy positions in the US government.

The scary thing is not just the over representation of Zionists in US government positions relating to foreign policy, but also the almost total control they have over the US media. It is also widely accepted that Jews are hugely over represented in the financial systems of not just USA but many western countries.

Put all those things together and you end up with a situation where the Zionists have almost total control over the US government. This is quite obvious when one looks at the massive financial and military aid USA "GIVES" to Israel and the countless vetoes the USA has imposed in the UN to support Israel in the face of overwhelming condemnation of Israels continued human rights abuses in the Middle East.

The people of USA are not only having the wealth of their labour stolen and transferred to Israel, but their whole system of democracy and government has been corrupted by Zionists.

And anyone who speaks out about the Zionist control of US politics is automatically branded an anti semitic, Muslim terrorist sympathizer. Game set and match over for the people of USA.

And that is why Jews have been univerally hated throughout history.

They are very clever and financially astute. Whether you think that is an excuse for their annihilation is up to you.

But the world has shown that they welcome Jewish money and knowhow and then turn against them when they exercise the power that has been handed to them.

^Was it only the US? I didn't think so.

Originally Posted by Lily

^Was it only the US? I didn't think so.

Lily, I just highlighted US turning them away,……..they were on their way to Cuba and Cuba turned them away,…………….they asked for US help, also.

It's a bit ironic that the right wing Israeli's wish to do to the Palestinians what the Nazi's wanted to do to them- mass deport tham. They of all people should realise it doesn't work.

Originally Posted by Lily

^Was it only the US? I didn't think so.

I believe they were also turned away at Argentina, Mexico, an African port, and other locales I can't recall.

Originally Posted by sabang

It's a bit ironic that the right wing Israeli's wish to do to the Palestinians what the Nazi's wanted to do to them- mass deport tham. They of all people should realise it doesn't work.

God Damn, learn something new everyday, I sure didn't know that the jews ever had suicide bombers operating in Germany or firing rockets into Germany, no wonder the Krauts were so pissed off at em, Hell I would have been too.

Please dont put words in my mouth Lilly.
I did not say Jews should be annihilated anywhere there.

My point is that the Zionists clearly have excessive control over US government foreign policy far in excess of representative numbers under a normal democracy.
This is not a healthy thing for any country and in view of the fact that USA is the greatest military power in the world today, its certainly not a good thing for the rest of the world either.

Originally Posted by Lily

And that is why Jews have been univerally hated throughout history.

They are very clever and financially astute. Whether you think that is an excuse for their annihilation is up to you.

But the world has shown that they welcome Jewish money and knowhow and then turn against them when they exercise the power that has been handed to them.

Just because Jews are universally regarded as astute financial managers does not give them the right to hijack democracy. The same could be said of the Chinese in Thailand, though the Zionists are more subtle at appearing innocuous in their strategy to take control of the government of their adopted country.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Originally Posted by Lily

^Was it only the US? I didn't think so.

I believe they were also turned away at Argentina, Mexico, an African port, and other locales I can't recall.

Yep. Hitler had a big problem. He wanted the Jews out of Europe, but nobody else wanted them either. If he could have just deported them somewhere it would have been a lot cheaper than interning them. It was only when the cost of interning them in concentration camps became too much of a drain on his war effort and no other country would accept them that Germany decided on the "final solution". The holocaust could have been avoided if the allies had offered to take them, but it would have aided Hitlers war effort. So up the chimney they went. Pawns in a much bigger game back then.

Popular history tells us these days that Hitler set out to kill all Jews, which is not the case in actual history at all. He just wanted them off the piece of turf he was claiming. Doesn't make it right. But doesn't make it right for people to twist the facts of history about the holocaust around either.

Originally Posted by Lily

Originally Posted by keda

Sadly that is a fact, and sadder still that facts are things with which you clearly have issues.

Calling people idiots again Keda?

What I find sad, is that you would come on to a thread, post nothling to add to the thread, but be a drama queen about a misquote, which you know very well is easy to do.
And call it 'malicious' and an 'allegation'.

You small, small minded little man.

I've already said why I do not wish to contribute to this thread, based on its assertions early on. If that upsets you, then it is you that's upset not me.

This does not give you a license to - again - lie in the hope that if you lie often enough some of the other idiots at rat belly level may be taken in.

Now, instead of running around like a deranged woman in urgent need of comfort, how about you - again - retract your vicious and entirely baseless lies? - or, will it take another several pages before you grudgingly concede that you are a liar - again?

Well, will you? - won't you? - perhaps instead of admitting you are a silly little girl looking for attention, you can now accuse me of something else...here's a clever one...you are a woman, albeit daft, and I called you silly and told you to stop lying - therefore I must be a misogynist?

Yes, that's a good one and there are enough other idiots on the board to support both you and your persistent lies.

Originally Posted by keda

I've already said why I do not wish to contribute to this thread

Did it ever occur to you NOT TO then?

I did expect that but from one of the gronks.

If I am not contributing to this thread, does that give any frustrated retard a license to falsely attribute a quote to me?

Would you accept that? - Put up or shut up.

From The Times

February 21, 2009
Rescued Auschwitz plans on show to shame deniers




Roger Boyes in Berlin div#related-article-links p a, div#related-article-links p a:visited { color:#06c; } Blueprints of the concentration camp at Auschwitz, found recently in a rubbish skip, have been put on display in a Berlin shopping centre as a public challenge to Holocaust deniers.
The plans, which show gas chambers, huge storage halls for corpses, and a crematorium, have been put up in a busy foyer between sandwich shops and a sushi bar.
“It’s shocking, deeply shocking,” said Tobias Prennzler, 27, a design student, as he leant forward to decipher the signature of Heinrich Himmler, the head of the Nazi security machine. “This was 1941 and they were already drawing up plans for some kind of a death factory. And it looks like they wanted to make it permanent.”
The display comes as Germans, once fiercely proud of the Bavarian-born Pope Benedict XVI, are registering dismay that the Vatican should have accepted a Holocaust sceptic back into the fold. Bishop Richard Williamson, who is being expelled from Argentina by the Government, once told Swedish television: “I believe there were no gas chambers.”

The core of Auschwitz was built for migrant farm workers in 1916 when southern Poland was still part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. When the First World War ended it was taken over by the Polish horse artillery. After the Nazi invasion of Poland in 1939, it was turned into a jail for Polish officers and intellectuals.
But Himmler had ambitious plans for the camp: he wanted it to house a pool of slave labour for an IG Farben factory making synthetic rubber and petrol. He ruled that it should be expanded to accommodate 30,000 prisoners; that an adjacent camp be built for 100,000 in Auschwitz-Birkenau; and that 10,000 inmates be assigned to building factory halls for IG Farben.
The plans were found last autumn when an old apartment in Berlin was being gutted. They correspond to other plans in the possession of the Auschwitz museum and the Russian Central Archives in Moscow, taken by Soviet forces after they liberated the camp in January 1945. This is the first time that Germans have been able to see the sketches. They are a chilling study. “The terrible thing about these drawings is their cool perfectionism, their professionalism,” Wladyslaw Bartoszewski, a former Polish Foreign Minister and Auschwitz inmate, said after touring the display in Berlin. “They are the building plans for a real, rather than mythical, Hell on Earth.”
The sketches, made by a Polish technical draughtsman who was also an Auschwitz prisoner, were prepared in November 1941, after the first prisoners has been gassed using Zyklon B, and before the Wannsee conference in January 1942, when Nazi officials discussed the logistics of the Holocaust. By February 1942 the first Jews were being gassed in the camp.
Holocaust deniers question the capacity or even the existence of the gas chambers. Bishop Williamson, who has been told by the Vatican that he has to distance himself from his expressed views on the Holocaust, is on record as saying that no more than 300,000 Jews perished in all the Nazi concentration camps.
The exhibition’s organiser, the Axel Springer publishing group, makes clear on the display boards that between 800,000 and 1,050,000 Jews were killed in Auschwitz, as well as 74,000 non-Jewish Poles, 25,000 Gypsies, 15,000 Soviet prisoners of war and 15,000 other inmates.
One extraordinary aspect of the plans is that the Nazis plainly intended to create a model town around the death camp, complete with flowerbedded courtyards and lawns. Few of these beautification plans were ever realised. Instead, Auschwitz retained to the end an ugly, factory-like atmosphere; a factory that produced nothing but corpses and broken lives.



Rescued Auschwitz plans on show to shame deniers - Times Online

Originally Posted by Plan B

^ Don't think it's anti-Semitism, more to do with anti-Israelism.

actually fair point, but problem is anti-israelism often includes or morphs into anti-semitism.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by Plan B

^ Don't think it's anti-Semitism, more to do with anti-Israelism.

actually fair point, but problem is anti-israelism often includes or morphs into anti-semitism.

Or if you're of the Jewish persuasion and tend to be critical of Israel's policies, one might be a self-hating Jew.

I find it strange that anyone 'denying' the 'Holocaust' should be vilified so.
Is it Jewish propoganda at work.
Why should it be so terrible to say, as I am here, that I find it extremely doubtful that 6 million (SIX FUCKING MILLION) people were gassed at the camps. I don't doubt the camps existed or that terrible evils visited upon the jews but six million? I doubt it.
Why it should be considered a crime in some countries to doubt or discuss that doubt is beyond me, and why people just close their ears and minds and refuse to discuss when the topic arises is another mystery.

Originally Posted by Dug

I find it strange that anyone 'denying' the 'Holocaust' should be vilified so.
Is it Jewish propoganda at work.
Why should it be so terrible to say, as I am here, that I find it extremely doubtful that 6 million (SIX FUCKING MILLION) people were gassed at the camps. I don't doubt the camps existed or that terrible evils visited upon the jews but six million? I doubt it.
Why it should be considered a crime in some countries to doubt or discuss that doubt is beyond me, and why people just close their ears and minds and refuse to discuss when the topic arises is another mystery.

I believe that the contemporary circles of such Holocaust Deniers aren't so intent on proving such events didn't take place, but I think it's the number that they consistently challenge.

Yeah , the chosen people. What a bunch of fools we have been to listen to all the crap these "jews" have given us. The western world has been dominated by what goes on and what has gone on for more than 2000 years. And yes they're helping themselves to a lot of our money. Duel nationality is real cosy . How many died to help these people between 39 and 1946 ? I too am pissed that i cannot find out why there is so much hatred for these chosen children of GOD. .

not sure why my last reply was refused. The Chosen people,we have been taught since childhood are the children of GOD. Specially chosen. Yes the Jews,and all that has come from that region in the last 2,000 years. Jesus etc.the virgin birth,dead men walking , blind men seeing etc. etc. has dominated our western souls and made damm fools out of us.< Jesus may have been a good guy> but the rest of that stuff,,,, please do me a favour. Speak out and you will be looking from the funny farm. And talk about scams and cons and big big businesses going under because of pure greed. Things were always going to get better when i was young but it really looks like we are going backwards now and have been for a long time and degenerating. TRUTH doesn't exist here ,,it's all horsesh--.They also control the media SO ,,,what have we done . Has the white man lost it ?

Originally Posted by blackgang

I really do not know that much about what you are talking about, and I truly doubt that you do either.
But I do know that my dad was in an armored company that took some other camps, I do not remember which ones and dad is dead so can not ask him.
But I do remember when he came home and just as he was coming across the country by train on furlough the japs said UNCLE and so he didn't have to go to the Pacific.
And he was gone for awhile for and got his discharge and when he came home to stay he had a book that his division had printed up and he had a lot of pictures of his own that him and others had taken, And I still remember what was in that book and the pictures he had of some horrible shit, Train with boxcars loaded with dead body's that looked like skeletons with hide covering, piles of starved people,
You dudes are claiming that they were taken of casualties from US bombing raids, but the hundreds of people that they had taken pic of were not regular people, they were either starved to death or were very close to being dead and some still behind the barbed wire, and no one I saw had had a good meal in awhile.
So someone is full of shit and I don't think it was my dad when he was telling my uncle about it, and so what if Jew was not a word Until 1750, They were Hebe's as far as I can tell, no matter what they were called, words have also changed meanings,, GAY used to be a fairly nice word meaning happy and carefree, now it means queer, used to call Blacks Niggers, now they are African Americans,, so what.
So from what I have seen and heard from folks that were there and did see it, you my friend are full of shit..
So you might make this work in another 75 years but not now.

You are probably correct in what you say, but if you really want to have a look, YOU AMERICANS MURDERED hundreds of thousands of German soldiers, when the war ended, the remaining German servicemen were rounded up and put into "AMERICAN" concentration camps, up to their knees in mud, for WEEKS, the American leaders made it a "Death Offence" (to the point they would shoot any of their own people that gave these Germans food, so they basically starved them to death!

Go and have a look, some of your own generals resigned from the regiment because of this WAR CRIME!

So, yes, I can well imagine that their were box carsd loaded up with starved and starving people, but they weren't all JEWS!

Originally Posted by pickel

I don't deny the holocaust, and I have visited Dachau, but 20 million Russians (over 11 million of them civilians) died in that war too, and you don't still hear them focking whining about it, thinking they're special.

Yeah, exactly. And there isn't a few hundred "memorials" to them in the US of fucking A, or the millions that really died under Pol Pot...seems a bit strange eh..why only the Jews?