Thread: Maybe a bit heavy for a Saturday Night..but what the hell

Originally Posted by blackgang

I really do not know that much about what you are talking about, and I truly doubt that you do either.
But I do know that my dad was in an armored company that took some other camps, I do not remember which ones and dad is dead so can not ask him.
But I do remember when he came home and just as he was coming across the country by train on furlough the japs said UNCLE and so he didn't have to go to the Pacific.
And he was gone for awhile for and got his discharge and when he came home to stay he had a book that his division had printed up and he had a lot of pictures of his own that him and others had taken, And I still remember what was in that book and the pictures he had of some horrible shit, Train with boxcars loaded with dead body's that looked like skeletons with hide covering, piles of starved people,
You dudes are claiming that they were taken of casualties from US bombing raids, but the hundreds of people that they had taken pic of were not regular people, they were either starved to death or were very close to being dead and some still behind the barbed wire, and no one I saw had had a good meal in awhile.
So someone is full of shit and I don't think it was my dad when he was telling my uncle about it, and so what if Jew was not a word Until 1750, They were Hebe's as far as I can tell, no matter what they were called, words have also changed meanings,, GAY used to be a fairly nice word meaning happy and carefree, now it means queer, used to call Blacks Niggers, now they are African Americans,, so what.
So from what I have seen and heard from folks that were there and did see it, you my friend are full of shit..
So you might make this work in another 75 years but not now.

well said mate.

The subject of 'holocaust denial' is passionate, and dangerous. This Mod will be keeping a very close eye on proceedings, but it's quite simple really- observe the bloody rules.

My take on it is that numbers may indeed have been exaggerated, but at the end of the day there was a genocidal attempt to purge Jewry from this evil Aryan vision of what Hitlers Europe should be. Their property was confiscated- after and during a vicious tyranny- and they were sent off to labour camps, where the majority perished.

They were not the only such persecuted- Jehovahs Witnesses and Gypsies suffered even worse, Slavics were treated abysmally too. But what is your point? Do you seek to defend it on the grounds that the death toll is debatable? Are you criticising the 'holocaust industry'? You may have some grounds there.

In a human history that doesn't leave much space for the artificial concept of 'humanity' however, the holocaust stands out as the absolute low point of our species, something to remind us that our intelligence can also be utilised to make of us something considerably lower than animals.

More Russians died in WW2 than the whole of the rest of the war combined, including the Pacific theatre. More German soldiers died in Russia than everywhere else combined, including Germany.

Those are just facts.

Saw an amatuer movie about this. Not denial about the holocaust, moreso about how it happened. Gas chambers seemed suspect, starvation and disease was more likely the cause of death. When the allies captured Germany the local population was starving, can't imagine that anyone in the camps had any special priority to be fed over the locals.

During WWII Germans and Italians in NZ were rounded up and put into camps because they were considered security risks. If America hadn't being bombed at Pearl and the Japanese had continued their advance through Asia to Aus and NZ what state would these prisioners have been found in?

Plenty of reason to believe that the truth has being exaggerated. The worst thing is that people are trying to jail holocaust deniers. When laws are made to protect historical facts people start wondering what they're trying to hide. The only reason I can see for this is that the holocaust helps to legitimise the state of Israel. To question the holocaust is to question the reasoning behind the creation of Israel.

Originally Posted by Lily

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

I recently posted about the lies that the so called "Jews" had for years held every Christian over a barrel with..i.e.

What are 'so calle Jews'?

As well as denying the holocaust, are you denying that they are even Jews?

Otherwise, why the 'so called'?

Faux Jew?

Originally Posted by Chairman Mao

the stoopid Westerners studying indoctrinated history.

.....this is usually the case.

Originally Posted by Plan B

The only reason I can see for this is that the holocaust helps to legitimise the state of Israel. To question the holocaust is to question the reasoning behind the creation of Israel.

So you are anti-Semitic, so what, but all of them on both sides over there are Semites and they are killing each other, so what.
But when you have two people fighting over the same land and you are charged with keeping the peace as the Tommy's were in 1947 then something needs to be done and the UN thought to repartition and that would end the problem, which it might have.
But the Arabs and the Palestine's in particular would have none of it and so jumped on the Jews and they soon found out [1 day actually] that 5 million was not going to be enough to control 200 k Jews so they in turn ran off and have not got back yet,, so what.
And as long as they keep firing rockets into Israel there will never be a peaceful end to it.. and as long as Iran and Syria continue to pay for it then there will be killing.

The Nazis committed the most despicable crime in human history and that includes all the murdered people, whether it is the 20 million dead Russians, the 5,6 million in Poland 16% of the total population, or the estimated 6 million murdered Jews, all in all an estimated 60 to 70 million people was either directly murdered or died in WW2.

Making holocaust denial a crime is the measure taken to prevent anybody from altering this horrible fact, and through time smooth over the horrifying crime, by preventing anybody altering the historic truth it forces us all to face the evil that Man can do in the name of fanatic beliefs.

In many Country's around the world with totalitarian regimes the history books are doctored to suit who ever is in power, and if there is/was some thing less than flattering it is simply removed, over time it is then forgotten and the new teachings become the true history to the Country's population.

Critics have been out already that new German history books in German schools and the compilation of the history of the EU country's made and approved in Brussels is deliberately neglecting this issue and skate past this part in very few words, this is dangerous and wrong.
I am aware that it is unpleasant, shameful and inconvenient for many Germans born after the war, but this is a price they must pay for the wrongdoings of their forefathers and that is where they must point the condemning finger.

It is essential that we all get reminded regularly of how terrible wrong things can go and the horrors that can follow if we allow any kind of fanatics a free reign.

I think some of the sentiments expressed in this thread is a disgrace.

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

and there were tons, there is not one SINGLE document that relates to GASSING, or KILLIN, JEWS!

Are you sure about that?

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

Yes, exactly, the Jews are not JEWS, there was no "English word for "Jew" prior to about 1750.

When was the Bible written?

Originally Posted by keda

The British and Americans devasated the rail and road links throughout Germany, makingthe transportation of supplies impossible,

It was a war!

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

and if I recall around 13 million worldwide

You were there and did a headcount did you?

Originally Posted by Milkman

I agree that there are too many Zionist Jews in government, and this is a problem in the US. Slowly, but steadily, more and more Americans are becoming aware of this. They hold too many position in foreign policy positions in the US government.

That has nothing to do with this topic, which is about the holocaust.

Originally Posted by blackgang

Originally Posted by Plan B

The only reason I can see for this is that the holocaust helps to legitimise the state of Israel. To question the holocaust is to question the reasoning behind the creation of Israel.

So you are anti-Semitic, so what, but all of them on both sides over there are Semites and they are killing each other, so what...

Can't see how that makes me anti-Semitic. Just commenting on a political issue. Someone else mentioned that the Slavs, gypsies, Jo-Ho's, e.t.c were also victims but none of them are making a big song and dance about it. They're not claiming a piece of land because they were victims of the Nazi regime.

Respect to Israel though, backs to the sea, surrounded by hostile Arab nations, and they're still there.

Exactly the same sort of thing that is happening in Tibet, genocide as the world stands by to condemn it in the future. how big of it.

we will hear in the future how the world should not have sat iderly by whilst one of the most devout people in the world get wiped out by an idealistic chinese nation.

The tibetans are not interested in taking over another nation by-proxy as in America's predicament.

They are however looking for the world to help them...but our gutless governments that invest in a RED CHINA, BLOODY CHINA, human rights violations rampent, on both people's Tibetans have no right's and chinese have no freedoms either.

WAKE UP and help these people, or it will beanother race all-but eliminated from the planet. and there really is only about 6 million Tibetans on the planet..so times a real factor here.

Thanks all...totally off topic...but on topic at the same time

Originally Posted by kingwilly

well said mate.

Jesus! I dont know what is going on here, but I have to second that!

Originally Posted by Plan B

Can't see how that makes me anti-Semitic

Yeah, we know, some of your best friends are Jews, aren't they?

Originally Posted by Mr R Sole

Exactly the same sort of thing that is happening in Tibet, genocide as the world stands by to condemn it in the future. how big of it.

No, and although my sympathies are with the Tibetans, they are not being taken from their homes in the middle of the night, put on trainsm and transported to camps set up to eliminate them.

Originally Posted by Lily

Originally Posted by Plan B

Can't see how that makes me anti-Semitic

Yeah, we know, some of your best friends are Jews, aren't they?

Because I'm against people making laws that say don't question the status quo?
We can see how well that works with the lesse majesty laws in Thailand. Maybe we should re-introduce them into Australia? Sound like a good idea?

Originally Posted by Mr R Sole

WAKE UP and help these people, or it will beanother race all-but eliminated from the planet. and there really is only about 6 million Tibetans on the planet..so times a real factor here

OK, but it looks like you are going to have to start the movement,
The US is busy at the moment and China seems to be paying no attention to anyone that is asking them about it so I guess if you buy the guns and can afford to pay some mercenary's wages that something can be done about China, but it is going to take a heap of guys because the chinks have a fair size army that is under the govt command not like Thailand where it is just a general that owns the Army, but it is a govt held thing in China.
And while you are at it, How about cleaning up Burma, they are worse than the chinks.

Originally Posted by Lily

Originally Posted by Milkman

I agree that there are too many Zionist Jews in government, and this is a problem in the US. Slowly, but steadily, more and more Americans are becoming aware of this. They hold too many position in foreign policy positions in the US government.

That has nothing to do with this topic, which is about the holocaust.

Lily, I disagree.

The majority of the OP is what Zionist Jews in the US government:

Here is the OP:

missismiggins:
Not being from the US nor being schooled in current 20th Century US history, any US citizens care to comment if this kind of stuff is talked about or taught? Somehow I doubt it!

On the subject of Middle Eastern relations, particularly between US/Israeli and the Arab Nations, take a look at this little list -

Paul Wolfowitz -Deputy Secretary of War on 9-11 - DUAL CITIZEN OF US AND ISRAEL; ZIONIST;

Richard Perle former assistant Secretary of War, chairman War Policy Board, and PNAC member; DUAL CITIZEN OF US AND ISRAEL; ZIONIST;

Douglas Feith effectively in command, with Wolfowitz, of War Department on 9-11; Undersecretary of War for Policy; DUAL CITIZEN OF US AND ISRAEL; ZIONIST;

Dov Zakheim Pentagon comptroller when trillion dollars reported missing on 9-10-01; DUAL CITIZEN OF US AND ISRAEL; ZIONIST;

George Tenet director of the CIA on 9-11; was awarded the Medal of Freedom by Bush for his fine work on 9-11; reported to be DUAL CITIZEN OF US AND ISRAEL

Michael Chertoff Assistant Attorney General on 9-11; freed over 100 Israeli spies in the US after 9-11; promoted to head Homeland Security; DUAL CITIZEN OF US AND ISRAEL; ZIONIST; LIKELY MOSSAD AGENT

Michael Mukasey federal judge in New York ,radical Zionist of Russian Jewish parentage;DUAL CITIZEN OF US AND ISRAEL

Philip Zelikow led the 9-11 Cover-Up Commission; personally wrote the 9-11 Omission Commission Report, a best-selling work of fiction; appointed Counselor of US Department of State;DUAL CITIZEN OF US AND ISRAEL

Elliot Abrams former member of PNAC, National Security Council; pleaded guilty in 1991 to lying to Congress about Iran-Contra affair; DUAL CITIZEN OF US AND ISRAEL; ZIONIST

Lewis Scooter Libby former PNAC member; studied political science at Yale under Paul Wolfowitz; aid to Cheney; convicted for lying about outing of Valerie Plame; DUAL CITIZEN OF US AND ISRAEL; ZIONIST

William Kristol PNAC co-founder; adherent of Leo Strauss; editor of The Weekly Standard; strong advocate of the Iraq war; DUAL CITIZEN OF US AND ISRAEL; ZIONIST

It is from the OP posts above, that I made my statement.

Originally Posted by Plan B

Because I'm against people making laws that say don't question the status quo?

But really, the status quo is terribly reliant on the mood or the opinion of the moment, isn't it?


I must say that I am terribly concerned about the quite recent rise in anitsemitism. Maybe it has always been there and I haven't been aware of it, but anyone who values peace and human rights should note it well.

^ Don't think it's anti-Semitism, more to do with anti-Israelism. People becoming more educated and concerned with that corner of the world and voicing their opinnions.

Originally Posted by Mr R Sole

Exactly the same sort of thing that is happening in Tibet, genocide as the world stands by to condemn it in the future.

You clearly sympathise with the Tibetan cause, but I would hardly describe it as genocide- their is no systematic killing, ethnic cleansing or mass deportation occurring. A somewhat lurid term I have heard used is 'cultural genocide' based on the fact that there has been considerable Chinese immigration to Tibet, and the Chinese have suppressed certain aspects of the Tibetan faith, including exiling the Dalai Lama.

Originally Posted by Lily

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Originally Posted by keda

The British and Americans devasated the rail and road links throughout Germany, makingthe transportation of supplies impossible,

It was a war!

I gave up on this idiotic thread early on, though just as well I still followed to see which of the contributing idiots are capable of saying what.

In this case, no more to add other than it would be nice - again - if you might validate yet another false, groundless and malicious allegation.

You attributed the above quote to me. It is actually what muggins posted in *11 as part of an attempt to validate yet another element of his disgraceful contentions.

Sadly that is a fact, and sadder still that facts are things with which you clearly have issues.

Originally Posted by Mr R Sole

Exactly the same sort of thing that is happening in Tibet, genocide as the world stands by to condemn it in the future. how big of it.

we will hear in the future how the world should not have sat iderly by whilst one of the most devout people in the world get wiped out by an idealistic chinese nation.

The tibetans are not interested in taking over another nation by-proxy as in America's predicament.

They are however looking for the world to help them...but our gutless governments that invest in a RED CHINA, BLOODY CHINA, human rights violations rampent, on both people's Tibetans have no right's and chinese have no freedoms either.

WAKE UP and help these people, or it will beanother race all-but eliminated from the planet. and there really is only about 6 million Tibetans on the planet..so times a real factor here.

Thanks all...totally off topic...but on topic at the same time

Unfortunate as the tragic events continue in that region {since the 50's}, no body is going to move against China. Just the facts. Because there is the transfer of power in place, as China replaces the US in all facets of influence, there is not much anyone can do - except a universal boycott of China. That's not going to happen in anyone's dreams. They're pulling all the strings. I'd be curious MRS, with all the legitimate unjustices being practiced worldwide...how did you come to select Tibet as your cause? Not trying to be an arse....and I certainly can empathize with your sensitivities, but it's apart of our nature and history {mankind}. When you plead for help - what do you want?

Hitler would have gladly sent the Jews off to any far away country that would have them. But no one did want them. There was nowhere to send them to once they were rounded up. So they ended up being packed into overcrowded concentration camps and became a severe burden on a Germany at war. In the end Hitler and Co came up with the "final solution" just to kill them all.

What was the name of that ship in which hundreds of German Jewish refugees from Hitlers regime sailed all around the world looking for refuge without success?