The GOP in Meltdown

**Norton** · 29-09-2009, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

What's so funny about that? We have Boon Mee and Jet Gorgon!

One or two "love hate polls" are in order. One for the TD right wing and one for the libbies.

**Jet Gorgon** · 29-09-2009, 10:42 AM

^ The libbies would get an ACORN group to jack the polls for them.

**panama hat** · 29-09-2009, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

One or two "love hate polls" are in order. One for the TD right wing and one for the libbies.

Libbies are nice people who help grannies cross the road while right-wing knuckle-draggers eat little babies

**S Landreth** · 02-10-2009, 05:09 AM

In short, there's no question that the GOP party brand is in worse shape than any opposition party in recent memory.

GOP Brand

**S Landreth** · 04-10-2009, 01:14 PM

Senator Ensign’s (R, Nevada) aid after affair raises flags over ethics

………While the affair made national news in June, the role that Mr. Ensign played in assisting Mr. Hampton and helping his clients has not been previously disclosed. Several experts say those activities may have violated an ethics law that bars senior aides from lobbying the Senate for a year after leaving their posts.

In acknowledging the affair, Mr. Ensign cast it as a personal transgression, not a professional one. But an examination of his conduct shows that in trying to clean up the mess from the illicit relationship and distance himself from the Hamptons, he entangled political supporters, staff members and Senate colleagues, some of whom say they now feel he betrayed them.

For example, a longtime fund-raiser who came through with help says Mr. Ensign misled him about why Mr. Hampton needed a new job. The senator also put his chief of staff at the time, who had raised concerns that Mr. Hampton’s activities could be problematic, in charge of dealing with him.

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Mr. Hampton and his wife, in a series of interviews, provided a detailed account of Mr. Ensign’s efforts to mitigate the fallout from the affair, which ruptured two families that had been the closest of friends.

Mr. Hampton said he and Mr. Ensign were aware of the lobbying restriction but chose to ignore it. He recounted how the senator helped him find clients and ticked off several steps Mr. Ensign took to assist them with their agendas in Washington, activities confirmed by federal officials and executives with the businesses.

“The only way the clients could get what John was essentially promising them — which was access — was if I still had a way to work with his office,” Mr. Hampton said. “And John knew that.”

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Despite those efforts, Mr. Ensign’s relationship with his one-time aide and the husband of his former mistress has ended in bitterness and recriminations. Mr. Hampton grew increasingly frustrated about his financial situation, believing that the senator had reneged on a deal to find him enough clients to sustain his income.

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The Ensigns and the Hamptons had been friends going back to their time together in Southern California in the 1980s, when John Ensign was just starting out as a veterinarian and had not yet begun to consider a life in politics. Darlene Ensign, the senator’s wife, and Cynthia Hampton had known each other growing up there.

The families were so close that in 2004 the Ensigns persuaded the Hamptons to move to their expensive Las Vegas neighborhood. They traveled to Hawaii and Puget Sound aboard the jet owned by Mr. Ensign’s father, watched their children’s sporting events together and shared regular Sunday dinners.

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The senator soon began developing an exit strategy to quietly move Doug Hampton out of his life.

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Within minutes, the senator and Mr. Slanker came up with an idea.
Michael Slanker had made more than $500,000 in the prior five years working for what he called “Ensign Inc.” serving as Mr. Ensign’s top fund-raiser and political consultant. The company Mr. Slanker and his wife had formed to help run these campaigns, November Inc., had become dormant after the couple moved to Washington to help Mr. Ensign run the Republican committee in 2007.

Mr. Slanker said he proposed that the firm could be revived, giving Mr. Hampton a well-known base in Nevada political circles to start a small government affairs practice. That afternoon, the senator and Mr. Slanker met with Mr. Hampton.

“Whatever clients you can get — you can eat what you kill,” Mr. Slanker recalled telling Mr. Hampton of the deal.

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Mr. Hampton, who believed that Mr. Ensign’s help with his clients was crucial to his success, admitted he had ignored the restrictions. He said that it was November Inc.’s responsibility to register him as a lobbyist, but he added that he did not insist the company do so because it would have made obvious that he was making inappropriate contacts on Capitol Hill. As for violating the one-year ban, he said he did so at Mr. Ensign’s direction.

“Work with Lopez,” Mr. Hampton said the senator told him. “I will take care of Lopez. I will make sure Lopez gives you what you need.”

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Doug and Cynthia Hampton are both now out of work — Allegiant Air let him go because of the scandal, and his NV Energy contract expired this spring. The couple have put their house up for sale and hope to leave Las Vegas.

While several citizens’ watchdog groups have called for an ethics investigation into Mr. Ensign’s conduct, there are no signs of any active inquiries. Mr. Ensign’s string of apologies and his back-to-business demeanor in the months since his news conference appear to have helped him ride out the political storm. Over the last week, he made the news again, for opposing a major element of President Obama’s health care plans. References to the affair were no longer attached to his name.

They only care when you’ve got something they want

**raycarey** · 14-10-2009, 11:52 AM

the republicans unveiled their new website yesterday. but it

was plagued by embarrassing omissions and numerous crashes on its first day of operation.

Among the problems were:

the posting of administrator passwords,

a list of GOP accomplishments that ended in 2004

and a “future leaders” section that was devoid of material.

In addition, the site was inaccessible for much of the day.

these guys can't get out of their own way.

Read more: New RNC website stumbles out of gate - Andy Barr - POLITICO.com

**AntRobertson** · 14-10-2009, 12:11 PM

a list of GOP accomplishments that ended in 2004

"Mission Accomplished"?

Oh wait no, that was 2003.

**venturalaw** · 17-10-2009, 08:13 AM

I am sharing the following that was sent to me by my CPA. It sums up the differences between conservatives and liberals. Clearly a generalization, it also is clear that the differences are significant.

If a conservative doesnt like guns, he doesn`t buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn`t eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for
everyone.

If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat
his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as
independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of
government protection.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his
situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesnt like a talk show host, he switches
channels. Liberals demand that those they dont like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesnt go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
(Unless it is a foreign religion, of course!).

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping
for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is
embarrassed.
If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he's in
labor and then sues.

If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have
a good laugh.
A liberal will delete it because he's "offended".

**S Landreth** · 17-10-2009, 08:26 AM

^I think there was a thread started, yesterday by Chitown, for this type of

https://teakdoor.com/issues/58591-political-emails-that-get-forwarded-you.html

**sabang** · 17-10-2009, 09:17 AM

If a Liberal is defeated in an election, he concedes defeat and goes about building support to win the next election.
If a Conservative is defeated in an election you never hear the bladdy end of it, and you can hear the whining from outer space.

**Norton** · 17-10-2009, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

If a Conservative is defeated in an election you never hear the bladdy end of it, and you can hear the whining from outer space.

Conservatives? There are none left in the GOP. Don't get the two confused Sabs.

**MrG** · 17-10-2009, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by venturalaw

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he whines that he's too big to fail, goes to the Uncle Gov for a bailout, uses this-transfer-of-funds-to-the-wealthy to bonus his buddies with more than their share of the loot, then lobbies against any kind of oversight that would have prevented the country from being down-and-out in the first place. A liberal goes out and gets a job, pays his taxes and looks after his kids health and education, and that of his community.

Your list of Republican chants have the same reflection on reality as Mao's Little Red Book. But they must make you feel good.

**Jet Gorgon** · 17-10-2009, 11:34 AM

Thanks, VLaw. Cracking up. Can I send that list off to my military buds?

**AntRobertson** · 17-10-2009, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by venturalaw

I am sharing the following that was sent to me by my CPA. It sums up the differences between conservatives and liberals. Clearly a generalization, it also is clear that the differences are significant.

If a conservative doesnt like guns, he doesn`t buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn`t eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for
everyone.

If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat
his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as
independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of
government protection.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his
situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesnt like a talk show host, he switches
channels. Liberals demand that those they dont like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesnt go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
(Unless it is a foreign religion, of course!).

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping
for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is
embarrassed.
If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he's in
labor and then sues.

If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have
a good laugh.
A liberal will delete it because he's "offended".

I think the difference between conservatives and liberals, at least on this forum, is that liberals don't put as much stock in such rote-repeated, dubious veracity and authorship, emailed codswallop.

If it were my CPA that had sent me something like that I'd be terminating his services for wasting my time and spamming me with such nonsense.

**sabang** · 17-10-2009, 02:27 PM

^ Ooh look, a libbie with a CPA.

**venturalaw** · 17-10-2009, 02:31 PM

Jet, be my guest. The list sure brirngs the libbs out of the woodwork here. What a bunch of whining, sniveling trolls. Reminds me of being back on Thaivisa.

At least we have extablished that Sabang spends at least part of his time somewhere out in orbit:

Originally Posted by sabang

If a Liberal is defeated in an election, he concedes defeat and goes about building support to win the next election.
If a Conservative is defeated in an election you never hear the bladdy end of it, and you can hear the whining from outer space.

**sabang** · 17-10-2009, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Conservatives? There are none left in the GOP

Touche'.

**AntRobertson** · 17-10-2009, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by venturalaw

What a bunch of whining, sniveling trolls.

Let's just revist reality for a second shall we; you post a spam email in Issues, and to you it's the "libbs" that are the whining, sniveling trolls? Odd.

Collectively there's not a lot of commonsense or logic amongst the 'right' on this forum.

**venturalaw** · 17-10-2009, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by venturalaw

What a bunch of whining, sniveling trolls.

Let's just revist reality for a second shall we; you post a spam email in Issues, and to you it's the "libbs" that are the whining, sniveling trolls? Odd.

Collectively there's not a lot of commonsense or logic amongst the 'right' on this forum.

The temperment of my post was not whining, but merely a listing of differences. I'm not complalining about the differences between liberals and conservatives - just addressing them. I admitted that it is a generalization. No complaint. No whining. Just a list of differences. What is illogical about listing our respective differences when facing various senarios? If your objection is because I received it via email, personally the manner in which it was received is not problematic for me. Many useful bits of information are transmitted using email. Frankly, I find that concern illogical.

**AntRobertson** · 17-10-2009, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by venturalaw

The temperment of my post was not whining, but merely a listing of differences. I'm not complalining about the differences between liberals and conservatives - just addressing them. I admitted that it is a generalization. No complaint. No whining. Just a list of differences.

Lets try to retain some perspective here: your post was a direct cut 'n paste of a spam email chain letter.

That you posted it at all is one thing. That you've posted it and actually seem to be trying to pass it off as in any way being a serious bit of commentry worthy of debate that others should take seriously is, frankly, laughable.

And particularly so when read in light of your follow-up post accusing others of being "whining, sniveling trolls".

**ItsRobsLife** · 17-10-2009, 07:28 PM

What he said.

**raycarey** · 17-10-2009, 08:16 PM

^^

well put, ant.

hopefully ventura law has learned his lesson, so let's get back on topic.....the GOP in meltdown.

over the summer, many in the GOP turned a blind eye to the rabid teabaggers that were disrupting the townhalls of dem elected officials.

well, it's not at all surprising that the chickens have come home to roost...

**venturalaw** · 17-10-2009, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by venturalaw

The temperment of my post was not whining, but merely a listing of differences. I'm not complalining about the differences between liberals and conservatives - just addressing them. I admitted that it is a generalization. No complaint. No whining. Just a list of differences.

Lets try to retain some perspective here: your post was a direct cut 'n paste of a spam email chain letter.

That you posted it at all is one thing. That you've posted it and actually seem to be trying to pass it off as in any way being a serious bit of commentry worthy of debate that others should take seriously is, frankly, laughable.

And particularly so when read in light of your follow-up post accusing others of being "whining, sniveling trolls".

At least you were entertained. You keep focusing on the source of the material instead of the actual statements contained therein. Nevermind. It's understandable.

**ItsRobsLife** · 17-10-2009, 08:56 PM

The thing about the post is that it's just reinforcing stereotypes with a 'with us or against us' standpoint.

Liberal seems to be a well worn term in the vocabulary of Right wing ideologists, but it has been redifined to be meant in a derogotory way in order to compartmentalize and dismiss the views of anyone that disagrees with Right wing values, you have to admit that could well be at least 50% of the population and probably more, and of that many would have no, or some other political afiliation, so by labelling anyone with an alternative view as a Liberal you are only entrenching your own beliefs and cutting yourself off from communication with the outside influences of at least 50% of the available information.

Liberal is an adjective first and foremost and it's definition reflects the core principles of the United States, and as such gives us the freedoms
without which neither of us would be here being able to have a discussion.

Something that allows the Right wing it's freedom to assemble and to disseminate ideas, is at the same time mocked and reduced in significance.

Still it saves me time trying to figure out what makes another person tick, as soon as I see them using libbie or suchlike in their posts,
I realise straight away that person is incapable or unwilling to engage in intelligent debate.

Have a nice day.

**venturalaw** · 17-10-2009, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife

The thing about the post is that it's just reinforcing stereotypes with a 'with us or against us' standpoint.

Liberal seems to be a well worn term in the vocabulary of Right wing ideologists, but it has been redifined to be meant in a derogotory way in order to compartmentalize and dismiss the views of anyone that disagrees with Right wing values, you have to admit that could well be at least 50% of the population and probably more, and of that many would have no, or some other political afiliation, so by labelling anyone with an alternative view as a Liberal you are only entrenching your own beliefs and cutting yourself off from communication with the outside influences of at least 50% of the available information.

Liberal is a noun first and foremost and it's definition reflects the core principles of the United States, and as such gives us the freedoms
without which neither of us would be here being able to have a discussion.

Something that allows the Right wing it's freedom to assemble and to disseminate ideas, is at the same time mocked and reduced in significance.

Still it saves me time trying to figure out what makes another person tick, as soon as I see them using libbie or suchlike in their posts,
I realise straight away that person is incapable or unwilling to engage in intelligent debate.

Have a nice day.

Very well stated. I have the same aversion to terms such as knuckle-draggers in reference to conservatives or Republicans. The term liberal to me is more geared to government involvement in limiting individual freedom. Although I am conservative, I do not support many Republican positions, aligning myself more with Libertarian ideals.

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