The GOP in Meltdown

**sabang** · 16-09-2009, 07:11 AM

^ As I suspected, the tactics and rhetoric of the Republican right are alienating moderates.

**Butterfly** · 16-09-2009, 07:21 AM

The Democrats need to give more donations to those conservatives loonies, they are the best advertising that money can buy

**barbaro** · 16-09-2009, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

^ As I suspected, the tactics and rhetoric of the Republican right are alienating moderates.

The best sentence I've read about this. It sums the whole situation up, IMO.

Independents, some of which are often GOP moderates, and GOP moderates that are partisan enough to be GOP didn't go for the last GOP ticket, and they may not return.

**slackula** · 16-09-2009, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by S Landreth

more bad news for the GOP,.................65% blame Bush

The fact that only 65% blame Bush is pretty scary.

**raycarey** · 24-09-2009, 09:44 PM

i almost put this in the right wing domestic terrorists thread....

**theudonshawn** · 24-09-2009, 10:18 PM

Why is the GOP in meltdown? two words, SOCIAL ISSUES. The GOP needs to die. Really... either they are FOR limited government or AGAINST it. If they're gonna push their morals on the whole country than they are just as controlling and nearly as Orwellian as the Dems. Let the GOP die and let a real small government party take its place. The political spectrum is too narrow in America. Like, HSA's vs. the Government Option.... WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE!! both require more undesirable government intervention in the lives of free American citizens. Both make health care less manageable... but they sell the programs like one is good and the other is bad. They are almost the same thing... they both force Americans to drink from the government tit like helpless babies. The GOP is in meltdown becuase the difference between Mccain and Obama wasn't Right Wing vs. Left Wing, it was Chocolate vs Vanilla, Old vs. Young, Crotchety vs. Eloquent, controlled by big business vs. ostensibly not controlled by big business. Policies were pretty congruent or synonymous. I say, reject the premise presented and think outside the box. If they are from the government, they aren't here to help. RIP GOP

**MrG** · 25-09-2009, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by theudonshawn

The political spectrum is too narrow in America.

Agreed

Originally Posted by theudonshawn

If they are from the government, they aren't here to help. RIP GOP

A paraphrase of Reagan's old line that he used to convince people to vote against their interests, then proceeded to grow government like crazy. But the line was bullshit then and it's bullshit now. What shall we dismantle?--the military, the Judiciary, Congress? Government, like anything else with power, needs to be watched closely. That's what oversight and balance-of-power is all about.

**theudonshawn** · 25-09-2009, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by MrG

What shall we dismantle?--the military, the Judiciary, Congress? Government, like anything else with power, needs to be watched closely. That's what oversight and balance-of-power is all about.

Yes sir, I am in relative agreement. We can't dismantle it, but the more integrated into our every day lives it gets the more difficult it is to balance and supervise the powers. We need to determine what the government REALLY needs to have their clumsy hands all over and what can be taken care of more subtly. I mean really... imagine going to the hospital is like going to the DMV...

A useful tool for determining such things would be a useful scrap of paper commonly referred to as the Constitution.

**Butterfly** · 25-09-2009, 08:44 AM

small government is a thing of the past, a pipe dream

bigger government is the only option as businesses are becoming gigantic and unregulated, it's a logical thing

the next logical thing is for Socialism to prevail, wild and unstable capitalism as we knew it would be replaced by stable socialism

**attaboy** · 25-09-2009, 09:11 AM

I believe you misspelled 'static'. Think about that the next time you need break through innovation to save your life.

**Jet Gorgon** · 25-09-2009, 10:55 AM

I think the libbies are in meltdown right now. And let's take a look at how clever the libbie students at UC Berkeley are. Click on Crowder Undercover [at] UC Berkeley.

Pajamas TV

**raycarey** · 25-09-2009, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

I think the libbies are in meltdown right now.

of course you do.

btw, this is commonly referred to as 'projection'.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Click on Crowder Undercover [at] UC Berkeley.

sure. i'll get right on that.

i have no idea what "pajamas TV", but can guess.

is this how you inform yourself about US politics? if so, it certainly begins to explain a few things.

**awesome adjunct** · 25-09-2009, 12:28 PM

^

Are you still at it?

Why?

**panama hat** · 25-09-2009, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

is this how you inform yourself about US politics? if so, it certainly begins to explain a few things.

You're surprised?

Originally Posted by awesome adjunct

Are you still at it?

Hmm, I wonder who this is, 'contributing' in a very familiar style?!

**Jet Gorgon** · 25-09-2009, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

is this how you inform yourself about US politics? if so, it certainly begins to explain a few things.

How nice your butt bud quoted you so I could see your post. Yep, ray, I have seen the light and am now doing the libbie socialist thing and looking at blog sites. hehe But that one is Republican. But hey, the far lefties teach you how to make bombs and destroy property and be michael moore clones at G-20 summits on their sites.

**awesome adjunct** · 25-09-2009, 01:31 PM

Why are the American libbies still so angry?

Obama won the election, the world is now perfect.

We have peace in the Middle East, The Taliban have put down their weapons and have joined the rest of the world in a huge peace hug, Iran has joined with their Jewish and Christian brothers in accepting we can live live together, the economy is soaring, unemployment is nearly erased, global warming is a thing of the paste, and America is universally loved by all.

Why the need to attack enemies?

Time for celebrations!

**panama hat** · 25-09-2009, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by awesome adjunct

Why are the American libbies still so angry?

Originally Posted by awesome adjunct

We have peace in the Middle East, The Taliban have put down their weapons and have joined the rest of the world in a huge peace hug, Iran has joined with their Jewish and Christian brothers in accepting we can live live together, the economy is soaring, unemployment is nearly erased, global warming is a thing of the paste, and America is universally loved by all.

Originally Posted by awesome adjunct

Time for celebrations!

Rather naive and quite a bad troll attempt

**awesome adjunct** · 25-09-2009, 03:01 PM

^

Dems will not be reelected due to hatred of Bush. The dems immediate future will be decided on their performance. The GOP will recover and regroup, just like the dems did after McGovern's and Carter's thrashings in elections. What arguement will the dems make in 2010 and 2012 that they should remain in power? What success will they point to? Still early for sure, but Americans are not known for being overly patient.

**S Landreth** · 25-09-2009, 03:30 PM

your argument

Originally Posted by awesome adjunct

Dems,.............. What success will they point to?

real weak

**awesome adjunct** · 25-09-2009, 03:48 PM

^

No argument, just a question. If the dems and Obama will be re-elected, I don't think, "well at least we weren't as bad as Bush" is a winning campaign slogan. Obama still has time to have some successes, but where are they going to come from? Health care reform will not be a success becasue it passes congress, it will only be a success if it results in better health care for Americans, which is unlikely, at least in the short term while all the kinks of a new system are worked out.

**slackula** · 25-09-2009, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by awesome adjunct

The GOP will recover and regroup

That is looking less and less likely at the moment, the GOP seems to be flailing around frantically opposing everything while Beck and such hog the limelight.

There are a few voices speaking out now against the likes of Beck, Little Green Footballs for one but most of the noise coming from the right is still an incoherent frothing against "gubmint" or "socialism" or something, hardly signs of a party regrouping, let alone recovering.

Moderate, fiscally conservative but socially liberal conservatives still seem to have no party representing them and few signs that the GOP is about going to ditch the fundie nutbags and move from God, guns and gays to actually important issues.

Still, I remember Little Green Goofballs calling out Dems and Muslims for not loudly distancing themselves from the loonies in ther ranks and they deserve credit for not being hypocrites like the other 99% of the current crop and taking a stand on Beck's idiocy.

**Norton** · 25-09-2009, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by slackula

Moderate, fiscally conservative but socially liberal conservatives still seem to have no party representing them

Last of the species went when Jack Kemp died.

**barbaro** · 25-09-2009, 05:04 PM

^ The species of moderates.

And important part of the GOP. Ford, and the likes.

Independents form a large chunk of the voting block and will vote on both sides of the aisle.

GOP needs to moderate. The current form is un-doable, IMO.

And I don't see moderate getting more active or influential in that party.

**slackula** · 25-09-2009, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Independents form a large chunk of the voting block and will vote on both sides of the aisle.

Which should be healthy (and necessary) in any democracy, but the GOP seems to be giving a microphone to any clown like Oily Taint (or whatever she is called - the birther loonie woman), or Beck etc.

**attaboy** · 26-09-2009, 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by awesome adjunct

Why are the American libbies still so angry?

Obama won the election, the world is now perfect.

There was a period there after the elections where I thought, "no one will ever die again".

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