HIV Infection risks

**AntRobertson** · 17-02-2008, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Lets just say the virus will only live for 5 minutes, personally I think it is days in the right envoirement, but lets stick to a 5 minute life span, so there we are ant, gonna use you as an example cos you deserve it, sitting at a bar, now you are a self proclaimed whore or lawyer or something so we are going to decide you are the one with hiv at this time, now that mossie is under our table, it has a nibble at your tainted blood and says its shite, or maybe you brush him away, its, probably a her actually, anyway that mossie now has its jaws dripping with blood from a man whore and it wants to bite me

That scenario contains so many factual innaccuracies and distortions it's hard to know where to begin.

Suffice to say I'll start with the most obvious, that being no way would you get blood from me unless you paid for it.

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

it's a relatively 'fragile' virus - that is it doesn't survive outside of the host for extended periods.

In a case in Florida it was found to survive for 3 days in dental equipment, the girl who contracted hiv sued and won, although admittedly that doesn't mean a lot as it was America.

If I'm not mistaken I think this case you are referring too was an intentional demented case of infection by a homosexual dentist that was..well..demented he intentionally injected her with his own blood along with several others but her being a virgin pointed finally to him which was why it was so publicised, she has died some years ago..

But your point about the virus living in dental tools is not lost it has been proven that is a very high risk for transmission and has been determioned as the cause in several past cases if the aren't properly disassembled and cleaned.

They do not recommend boiling for proper sterilization as it doesn't completely sanitize the entire tool depending on what tool it is. They recommend autoclave only... So it's not that fragile a virus...

**dirtydog** · 17-02-2008, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

even more so than the sexually transmitted epidemic that never really occured.

Thats because it is a blood disease, pooves and druggies and mossies, real easy

**ChiangMai noon** · 17-02-2008, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

That scenario contains so many factual innaccuracies and distortions it's hard to know where to begin.

what are the facts.

i personally believe in some sort of evangelical drug company conspiracy.
almost definitely an american one.

**AntRobertson** · 17-02-2008, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

evangelical drug company conspiracy

But as there's no known cure what do they benefit?

**ChiangMai noon** · 17-02-2008, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

But as there's no known cure what do they benefit?

it's a long con.

they are renowned for it.

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

driventowin.
you are clearly not dull, although evidently a little ..shall we say.... unhinged.

do you really believe in the mozzie theory?

it is clearly a load of bunkum.
even more so than the sexually transmitted epidemic that never really occured.

I guess you don't believe that you can get any of these other diseases by mosquito infection either than do you?? Don't just spout CMN show me facts or contradictory evidence to support your contentions??

I think unhinged is a very personal description and since you have no facts to prove otherwise it is unhinged and narrow minded of you to make such a statement...

**dirtydog** · 17-02-2008, 01:49 AM

What would happen in the world if it was proved that mossies transmitted hiv? every single household in the world would be using a can of poison everyday to protect themselves.

**ChiangMai noon** · 17-02-2008, 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by Driventowin

I think unhinged is a very personal description and since you have no facts to prove otherwise it is unhinged and narrow minded of you to make such a statement...
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it is very wrong and bad, i agree.
I don't doubt that you are a bit barking bonkers though.

i actually don't really believe in HIV at all as such.

**AntRobertson** · 17-02-2008, 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

What would happen in the world if it was proved that mossies transmitted hiv? every single household in the world would be using a can of poison everyday to protect themselves.

Shares in those mosquito coil thingies would go through the roof.

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

What would happen in the world if it was proved that mossies transmitted hiv? every single household in the world would be using a can of poison everyday to protect themselves.

Absolutely!! There in lies the major issue as I was eluding to... On top of the financial factor..If this were to be exposed as true it would shut down the world economy with fear...There is no doubt of that.....Stock markets the world over crash immediately and that would just be the beginning it would be considered the biblical plague that every religious fanatic has been prophetizing..

**ChiangMai noon** · 17-02-2008, 01:53 AM

Stop humouring him DD, for god's sake.

**dirtydog** · 17-02-2008, 01:56 AM

I wish I was, ok we all agree he is a nutter, but I gotta go with hiv can and is spread by mossies.

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by Dirty Dog

he is a nutter,

Original, out of the box thinking is always considered this way by average ordinary people who don't understand...But in this case even you get it!!

**AntRobertson** · 17-02-2008, 02:02 AM

^ Oooh, you've just slapped DD. Like a mosquito!

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

Stop humouring him DD, for god's sake.

I'm still waiting for an argument against my suggestion??? Not just crap beinging thrown my way?? Let me hear some intelligent, well thought out rebuttal....I'll give you the rest of the night to think of some I'm going to bed now..

**ChiangMai noon** · 17-02-2008, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by Driventowin

Original, out of the box thinking is always considered this way by average ordinary people who don't understand

lordy.

You have some sort of empirical evidence to thwack us with no doubt.

shouldn't we all be really dead given that we are all bitten like loads of time daily?

are 99.99% of us immune to the HIV virus that is transmitted by mosquitoes??

**ChiangMai noon** · 17-02-2008, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by Driventowin

I'm still waiting for an argument against my suggestion??? Not just crap beinging thrown my way?? Let me hear some intelligent, well thought out rebuttal....I'll give you the rest of the night to think of some I'm going to bed now..

you are either as batty as a coot or a troll of delicious proportions.

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

^ Oooh, you've just slapped DD. Like a mosquito!

No not really, he made a blanket statement which I objected to and it was also directed at CMN even more so.. CMN hasn't suggested any reason it isn't a plausible theory just made baseless accusations and claims against it...

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

Originally Posted by Driventowin

Original, out of the box thinking is always considered this way by average ordinary people who don't understand

lordy.

You have some sort of empirical evidence to thwack us with no doubt.

shouldn't we all be really dead given that we are all bitten like loads of time daily?

are 99.99% of us immune to the HIV virus that is transmitted by mosquitoes??

Comon CMN..I thought you were smarter than this?? How many times have you gotten Malaria, hepatitis, meningitis, encephalitis or any of the other thousands of mosquito transmitted diseases in your life?? That doesn't mean that every single person is going to contract it...I had more faith in you than this..

**dirtydog** · 17-02-2008, 02:11 AM

A good example is do a search on malarial areas and hiv areas, funny how in the third world they are the same places.....

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 02:14 AM

^Also strange how Malaria is increasingly coming back into previously eradicated places in the modern world..

**dirtydog** · 17-02-2008, 02:24 AM

They banned the stuff that was used to kill the mossies many years ago, at one stage malaria was a disease that you wouldn't likely get, then they decided that the stu7ff they were using was more dangerous than people getting malaria, got to admit I dont agree with that though..

**Driventowin** · 17-02-2008, 02:43 AM

I just can't see this many people having cross transmission on sexual contact alone given the stats being quoted here it does not compute!!

Number of HIV-infected individuals in Angola: 240,000
Number of HIV-infect individuals in Botswana: 350,000
Number of HIV-infected individuals in Lesotho: 320,000
Number of HIV-infected individuals in Malawi: 900,000
Number of HIV-infected individuals in Mozambique: 1.3 million
Number of HIV-infected individuals in Namibia: 210,000
Number of HIV-infected individuals in South Africa: 5.3 million
Number of HIV-infected individuals in Swaziland: 220,000
Number of HIV-infected individuals in Zambia: 920,000
Number of HIV-infected individuals in Zimbabwe: 1.8 million

ANSWER: AIDS vs Malaria | Radical Reference

Besides the original explanation of HIV infection leaves for a lot more questions than answers...

These are numbers that coincide with mass infection on a massive scale that is more than just sexual contact.

**dirtydog** · 17-02-2008, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by Driventowin

Number of HIV-infected individuals in South Africa: 5.3 million

Thats an easy one, great big knobs shoved up the butts of unwilling males and females.

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