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    HIV Infection risks

    Came across the following (with no source data) on another forum. Would anyone care to comment on the reliability of the stats and/or any other related data...:

    The odds for catching HIV from the following activities with a HIV infected partner, are as follows (all stats are for no condom)

    blood transfusion - 90%
    Mother to Child at birth - 25% (reduced to 1% with treatment)
    Sharing Needles - 0.67% (no recorded cases when sterlised)
    Receiving Anal - 0.5% (0.075% with condom)
    Receiving Vagina - 0.1% (0.015% with condom)
    Penetration Anal - 0.065% (0.01% with condom)
    Penetration Vagina - 0.05% (0.0075% with condom)
    Giving Blow Job - 0.01% (0.0015% with condom)
    Receiving Blow Job - 0.005% (0.00075% with condom)
    kissing - No recorded cases

    Basically your taking 10 times the risk with BB compared to OWO, the main reason being that the virus is not in a high enough concertration within salvia to spread, and the spread occurs due to blood in the girl (or boys) mouth. Sex with a condom is more risky than OWO.

    It also must be remembered that if all WGs gave BB, then it doesnt 'only' become ten times as risky, because 10 times (we're assuming contraction is only through Sex, and not drug use with that one) more people in our WG/Punter group will be infected, making it 100 times more risky.

    Using a condom reduces the risk by approximately 85%. Additionally Being circumised reduces the risk for a straight man by arround 60%. (homosexual transmission is primarily through receiving, and sees no benefit from circumsion).

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    Here's an interesting article on the subject:

    Swiss Say Unprotected Sex for Some Positive Men Is OK
    by Kilian Melloy
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    Thursday Feb 14, 2008



    Swiss researchers say that people living with HIV pose no risk to their partners even if they practice unprotected sex, as long as they are consistently on effective anti-retroviral regimens and there are no other STDs present.

    The conclusion, issued in the form of a consensus statement, was published at the end of January in the Bulletin of Swiss Medicine, reported Aidsmap.com in a Jan. 30 article.

    The statement was authored by several of Switzerland’s leading AIDS authorities, including the president of the Swiss Federa Commission for HIV/AIDS, Prof. Pietro Vernazza, Geneva University Hospital’s Prof. Bernard Hirschel, the president of the Swiss Federal Office of Pubic Health’s Clinical and Therapeutic Aspects of HIV / AIDS Subcommittee, Dr. Markus Flepp, and Lugano Regional Hospital’s Dr. Enos Bernasconi.

    The authors write that, "after review of the medical literature and extensive discussion," their consensus is that, "An HIV-infected person on antiretroviral therapy with completely suppressed viraemia... is not sexually infectious, i.e. cannot transmit HIV through sexual contact."

    This would mean that partners in a committed relationship in which one partner is HIV-positive and the other is negative would not necessarily need to use protection, assuming a few things: one, that the HIV-positive partner is on an effective course of anti-retroviral medication and is conscientious about staying on the regimen; second, that no other STDs are present; also, that the infected partner’s viral load is less than 40 per ml., and has been for at least the past six months; and also, that the partners remain in a monogamous relationship, or, if not, continue to use condoms with outside sexal contacts (and,in that case, with one another also, to help prevent other STDs from entering the picture).

    The statement says that the authors "realize... that medical and biologic data available today do not permit proof that HIV-infection during effective antiretroviral therapy is impossible, because the non-occurrence of an improbable event cannot be proven. If no transmission events were observed among 100 couples followed for two years, for instance, there might still be some such events if 10,000 couples are followed for ten years."

    Continued the statement, "The situation is analogous to 1986, when the statement ’HIV cannot be transmitted by kissing’ was publicised. This statement has not been proven, but after 20 years’ experience its accuracy appears highly plausible."

    The reference to the safety of kissing between a positive and a negative partner turns out to have some direct relevance to the current conclusion; partners on effective anti-retroviral regimines, the research shows, have never been recorded as transmitting HIV to their virus negative partners, whereas those who were not on such a regimen showed a rate of transmission of nearly 9%.

    Similar observations were made about the potential risk of transmisison from HIV-positive mothers to their infants; also, semen and female bodily secretions, the statement said, carrried undetectable viral loads in patients on effective regimens. Only after patients stopped taking their anti-retrovirals did viral loads increase in such bodily secretions.

    Wrote the authors, "As a rule [genital secretion viral load]rises after, not before, an increase in plasma viral load."

    However, HIV in the blood did rise quickly if patients discontinued their regimens.

    In short, wrote the authors, "These data indicate that the risk of transmission is greatly decreased by antiretroviral therapy."

    An STD could lead to a localized increase of the HIV viral presence, as with a genital sore, the authors wrote, but added that with treatment the locla viral load diminished once again.

    The authors summed up with, "During effective antiretroviral therapy, free virus is absent from blood and genital secretions."

    The authors continued, "Epidemiologic and biologic data indicate that during such treatment, there is no relevant risk of transmission."

    Said the statement, "Residual risk can not be scientifically excluded, but is, in the judgment of the Commission, negligibly small."

    Swiss Say Unprotected Sex for Some Positive Men Is OK :: EDGE Boston
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    Those figures amaze me, OP, though I'll admit to having no idea if they're correct or not.
    I've read a lot about certain African countries having very high numbers of HIV infected heterosexuals (often sadly, through rape) and wonder how this is possible, if the figures you presented there are true.

    HB, interesting article. Not sure that I'd be prepared to gamble my life on their study, though. Wonder if the authors or researchers would be prepared to gamble on their results?

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    Quote Originally Posted by November Rain
    wonder how this is possible, if the figures you presented there are true.
    I think the key is:

    Quote Originally Posted by Hootad Binky
    there are no other STDs present.

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    why would there be any chance of catching aids if a condom is used properly? (referring to the sexual behavior in the op)

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    What about from man to sheep ??? We dont want the Aussies to infect there live-stock...

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    Quote Originally Posted by obsidian
    why would there be any chance of catching aids if a condom is used properly
    Maybe it should have been "sharing condoms"...

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    or the aussie practice of turning them inside out for a second use.

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    ^ That would be the Scottish, IMO

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    i defer to a man of better experience.

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    The statistic is one thing. The feeling after having gotten HIV might be an other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by November Rain View Post
    Those figures amaze me, OP, though I'll admit to having no idea if they're correct or not.
    I've read a lot about certain African countries having very high numbers of HIV infected heterosexuals (often sadly, through rape) and wonder how this is possible, if the figures you presented there are true.

    HB, interesting article. Not sure that I'd be prepared to gamble my life on their study, though. Wonder if the authors or researchers would be prepared to gamble on their results?

    I believe it's because we've all been lied to for the sake of avoiding panic enmass. The real truth is it can be transmitted by mosquitos..Look at the data everywhere the highest population of mosquitos are there is also an extreme rate of HIV. I have other facts and anecdotal evidence I can provide later to support my suggestion..I just dont have the time now..
    Silent but deadly.....

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    unlike you, drive2, i cant get hiv from a mosquito. my dick is to big.

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    That's just nasty!!!! Or do you mean your just too big a dick???

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    Don't seem much like men get it very easily from what is in the OP, but according to what I have read in numerous places HIV and AIDS is rampant among Homos and they continue to spread it thru those that are AC/DC to women.

    But I just do not believe that OP.

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    Don't be too worried about becoming HIV Positive if you're an old git. It takes years to kill you and you will probably have a Heart attack before then.....

    And if you ride a motorbike in Pattaya you are in far greater danger old bean!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkandrew
    Receiving Anal - 0.5% (0.075% with condom) Receiving Vagina - 0.1% (0.015% with condom) Penetration Anal - 0.065% (0.01% with condom)

    What is the difference between these 3??

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    ^I don't understand that either, but with the anal penetration and recieving I just took it to be queer shit.
    I take it recieving vagina would be a girly,, unless queers have figured that one out to for the Katoeys.
    Maybe BF would be the one to ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by colourful-era
    What is the difference between these 3??
    My guess would be Receiving anal/vagina means taking and
    penetrating anal/vagina means giving

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    pitching vs catching, bg

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang
    I take it recieving vagina would be a girly,
    I think that means normal hetro sex but the woman is more easily infected by a man than the man by the woman

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    I remember using the stats from the OP article a while back when mid and several others were ignorantly claiming HIV was as good as inevitable if you slept with an infected lady.
    I was redded for my stubborn stance.

    I firmly believe HIV is far less of a concern than it is made out to be.

    That's not to say i believe anyone should take any unnecessary risks.

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    you have softened your argument a bit havnt you, cmn?

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    In what way?

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    you do believe that hiv/aids exists and is deadly, then?

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