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    Quote Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn View Post

    Chomsky is good. He knows how to play to people's basest emotions and hatred to allow them to accept irrational conclusions.

    Because the Chomskyites are "stupid" on this issue doesn't make them stupid on every issue.
    How would you know? You've never read anything by him.

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    What a well-informed and articulate response. Thank you for sharing

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    AA, not trying to feed the troll, but serious question: have you read any of his book ? I mean not summary, or reader digest version, the actual books.

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    Question's already been answered

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    ^Indeed. A resounding "no".

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    ^

    I answered the question, why do you want to claim my answer is different than the one I gave?

    Still going for the attack the messenger strategy? Why? Is this all you got in support of your posiiton?

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    I answered the question, why do you want to claim my answer is different than the one I gave?
    Because it's patently obvious to anyone that has read Chomsky that you haven't.

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    More silliness and yet another attempt (up to how many now?) to make this thread about me.

    It is plain you have no evidence to support your position, but you won't give up. You are still trying to tear down the messenger.

    Try a new strategy, this one is not working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn View Post
    ^

    More silliness and yet another attempt (up to how many now?) to make this thread about me.

    It is plain you have no evidence to support your position, but you won't give up. You are still trying to tear down the messenger.

    Try a new strategy, this one is not working.
    According to s12(b) of the Internet Forum Regulations if you repeat that 1,200 times it becomes citeable and referenceable as 'fact'. So only 987 more times to go then, well done.

    There's no need to 'tear you down', AA. You're doing such an admirable job of it yourself; despite your haughty claims of academia I'd wager most have you pegged as little more than a troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn View Post
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    More silliness and yet another attempt (up to how many now?) to make this thread about me.
    It is all about you now AA. The discussion on Chomsky finished pages ago.

    We all agreed that he's a rather remarkable fellow.

    I would say that anything by Chomsky has more substance than your offerings, but when it comes to comedy value you put Chomsky in the shade.

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    Same old silly tactic, attack your opponent, make it personal so no one bothers to look at the facts.

    I know why the Chomsky crowd does not want to address the facts, and instead focus on childish insults. It is because the "facts" show Chomsky has repeated distorted evidence and flat out lied.

    Many people whose work Chomsky uses to "prove" his theory, like Huntington and Sen, have come out and showed how Chomsky has distorted their work to fit his preconceived notions,

    You can not address this issue, therefore you hurl idiotic insults.

    You guys are so typical and uninventive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn
    flat out lied.
    We'll ignore the fact that you flat out lied, but I would be interested to see evidence of a Chomsky lie. Got any? It would quite lift this inane thread.

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    Here is a list of 200 of them. This has been posted before, but not read by you.

    http://www.paulbogdanor.com/200chomskylies.pdf

    Like I said previously, I do not make my living by writing anti-Chomsky articles, but I have read enough to know he is full of shit.

    However others have spent the time to actually examine his work. Here are a few samples.

    Citation: “such journals as the Far Eastern Economic Review, the London Economist, the Melbourne Journal of Politics, and others elsewhere, have provided analyses by highly qualified specialists who have studied the full range of evidence available, and who concluded that executions have numbered at most in the thousands [and] that these were localized in areas of limited Khmer Rouge influence and unusual peasant discontent…”

    “Distortions at Fourth Hand,” The Nation, June 25, 1977.


    Source: The “analyses” amounted to a journalist’s report relying on a statement by Pol Pot (Far Eastern Economic Review); a reader’s letter to the editor (Economist); and an essay by a leftist student in an undergraduate magazine (Melbourne Journal of Politics).


    Nayan Chanda, Far Eastern Economic Review, October 29, 1976; W.J. Sampson, Letters, The
    Economist, March 26, 1977; Ben Kiernan, “Cambodia in the News; 1975/76,” Melbourne Journal of Politics, December 1975-January 1976. Three years later, Kiernan acknowledged the genocide and became an apologist for the brutal dictatorship imposed by communist Vietnam.


    A lie by Chomsky


    Citation: “That one [US] bombing [of a factory in Sudan], according to the estimates made by the German Embassy in Sudan and Human Rights Watch, probably led to tens of thousands of deaths.”

    Interview, Salon.com, January 16, 2002.


    Source: The “estimate” by the German Embassy was an ex-Ambassador’s self-described “guess” based on no evidence. Human Rights Watch publicly denied giving any estimate

    Werner Daum, “Universalism and the West,” Harvard International Review, Summer 2001; Carroll Bogert, Communications Director of Human Rights Watch, “Noam Needs a Fact-Checker,” Salon.com, January 22, 2002.

    Another Chomsky lie
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    Chomsky’s lie “the [American] bombing [of Cambodia], which the CIA estimates killed around 600,000 people, mobilised the Khmer Rouge…””

    A Rational Reaction,” The Liberal, UK, December 2004-January 2005. Cf.: “from the time of the first sustained US bombings [of Cambodia] in March 1969 through April 1975… 600,000 people were killed, according to CIA estimates,” Deterring Democracy (Vintage, 1992), p72.

    The Truth: The CIA estimate referred to “war-related deaths” caused by all sides, not to the death toll from the bombing, which was not discussed. The CIA noted that the figures were “debatable” and concluded: “None of these estimates is well founded.” The 600,000 figure may have been invented by Pol Pot himself, and is more than twice the actual number of war-related deaths.

    Marek Sliwinski, Le G?nocide Khmer Rouge: Une Analyse D?mographique (L’Harmattan, 1995), p48
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    Chomsky’s Lie: “the CIA… recruited radical Islamists from many countries and organized them into a military and terrorist force that Reagan anointed ‘the moral equivalent of the founding fathers,’ joining Jonas Savimbi and similar dignitaries in that Pantheon.”.

    Wars of Terror,” New Political Science, March 2003.

    The Truth: Reagan was referring to the Nicaraguan Contras, not “radical Islamists.”

    New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, March 2, 1985.


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    Chomsky’s Lie: “Iran remained ‘moderate’ until the fall of the Shah in 1979 while compiling one of the worst human rights records in the world, as Amnesty International and other human rights groups regularly documented, not affecting the classification of the Shah as a ‘moderate’ or the applause for him among US elites.

    Pirates and Emperors, Old and New (rev. ed., Pluto Press, 2002), p112.

    The Truth: Amnesty International accused the Shah of carrying out 300 political executions. He was not remotely comparable to the world’s worst human rights abusers. During the same period, Macias Nguema murdered 50,000 in Equatorial Guinea, Idi Amin massacred 300,000 in Uganda and Pol Pot slaughtered as many as 2 million in Cambodia.

    Washington Post, March 23, 1980.

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    Chomsky’s Lie “The bin Laden network, I doubt if anybody knows it better than the CIA, since they were instrumental in helping construct it.”

    Interview, Monthly Review, November 2001.

    The Truth: This is “not true” since CIA money “went exclusively to the Afghan mujahideen groups, not the Arab volunteers” (Jason Burke). Bin Laden was “outside of CIA eyesight” and there is “no record of any direct contact” (Steve Coll). There is “no evidence” of funding, “nor is there any evidence of CIA personnel meeting with bin Laden or anyone in his circle” (Peter Bergen). There is “no support” in any “reliable source” for “the claim that the CIA funded bin Laden or any of the other Arab volunteers who came to support the mujahideen” (Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin).

    Jason Burke, Al-Qaeda (Penguin, 2003), p59; Steve Coll, Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the (Penguin, 2004), p87; Peter Bergen, The Osama bin Laden I Know CIA, Afghanistan and Bin Laden (Free Press, 2006), pp60-1; Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin, The Mitrokhin Archive II: The KGB and the World (Penguin, 2006), p579n48.

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    Chomsky’s Lie: “The crime of the Sandinistas was to carry out successful development… they immediately began to divert resources to the poor part of the population.”

    Latin America: From Colonization to Globalization (Ocean Press, 1999), p57.

    The Truth: For decades, Nicaragua had experienced some of the fastest economic growth in the hemisphere. Within a few years of Sandinista rule, wages had been fixed below poverty level and there was mass unemployment. There were shortages of nearly all basic goods, with inflation at 30,000%. Government studies found that three-quarters of schoolchildren suffered from malnutrition, while living standards were lower than Haiti. The World Bank found that Nicaragua was on the economic level of Somalia. Even the Soviet bloc blamed the regime for wrecking the country.

    Roger Miranda and William Ratliff, The Civil War in Nicaragua (Transaction, 1993), pp183-4.
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    Chomsky’s Lie: “In fact Stalin was supporting Chiang Kai-Shek against the Chinese revolution. The subsequent and rather brief alliance was in part the result of US policies.”

    On Power and Ideology: The Managua Lectures (South End Press, 1987), p52.

    The Truth: During 1945-9, Stalin directed the transfer of 400,000 Chinese communist troops and 20,000 cadres, provided military equipment for 600,000 men, supplied critical tanks and artillery, helped to build munitions factories essential to the Chinese communist victory, and guided the political and economic decisions of the Chinese communist leadership.

    Douglas J. Macdonald, “Communist Bloc Expansion in the Early Cold War,” International Security, Winter 1995-6, pp172-3. See also Michael M. Sheng, Battling Western Imperialism: Mao, Stalin and the United States (Princeton University Press, 1997) and Chen Jian, Mao’s China and the Cold War (University of North Carolina Press, 2001), pp38-48.
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    Sabang

    Want more evidence of Chomsky's lies?
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    http://www.paulbogdanor.com/morris-chomsky.pdf

    Well respected in academia?

    Here 's what Morris in the Harvard International Review (hardly a right-wing blog) wrote of Chomsky and his co-writer Herman.

    “The authors are totalitarian political ideologues with an intense emotional commitment to the cause of anti-Americanism. Operating on the principle that “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” they have wholeheartedly embraced the struggle of two of the world’s most ruthlessly brutal regimes.”
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    H-Net Discussion Networks - Chomsky: A Principled Dissenter [Nichols]=

    Chomsky is not the first simplistic Marxist to criticize the United States, and in fact his analyses are pedestrian and predictable: big business owns America and reshapes the world to suit the interests of capital, etc etc. It's a common enough criticism on the extreme left, and there's nothing shocking or worth fighting over to be found in it.

    What many of us find objectionable, however, is Chomsky's fundamental hypocrisy and dishonesty. (There was, for example, an article this springi n the online version of the The New Criterion called "The Hypocrisy of Noam Chomsky.") Chomsky's writing is meant to mislead and to distort.(Saying he's big in Turkey, by the way, means nothing. Propaganda always finds an audience.) He is a practitioner of the Big Lie approach to political debate: if a falsehood is stated baldly and loudly enough, it'll get by. Let me present a few examples (out of many) and readers can judge for themselves. Here's a gem from the New Mandarins (1967): "Three times in a generation American technology has laid waste a helpless Asian country," that is, Japan, Korea, and Vietnam.This is a statement that is so simplistic and dishonest one can only marvel at Chomsky's audacity in saying it. Imperial Japan, helpless? North Korea, rolling its tanks to the Pusan perimeter and coming within awhisker of conquering the peninsula, helpless? But Chomsky is smart enough to know one thing: if he puts it on the printed page, some less perceptive reader will assume it to be true, and the propaganda will have worked its purpose.”
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    Nathan Folkert from Stanford (hardly a bastion of simplistic right wing thought) says about Chomsky’s work

    http://www.mekong.net/cambodia/folkert.htm

    “This is a lie

    “This is an outright lie

    “This is a lie, or, if we are to be charitable, a misleading half-truth.

    “This is a lie, or, at best, a dishonest semantic interpretation”

    ‘Whatever the merits or demerits of this report, it is clear that Chomsky's description of the report is a string of lies. Chomsky made four easily-checked lies -- lies that can be verified as such simply by reading the CIA report and require no further deep knowledge on the events in Southeast Asia. ‘

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    ^

    All I did was present evidence, if this makes the Chomsky supporters look stupid, it is the evidence speaking, not me. So, I can hardly be charged with insulting the supporters of this fraud., liar and hypocrite.

    The Chomsky supporter on the other hand have not provided any evidence nor have they been able to refute the evidence presented, all they can do is insult me in a last ditch attempt to protect their position and pride.

    These hard core leftist have been spoon-fed on Chomsky for years, and it is too much for them to now swallow the fact that their entire political idealogy is based on lies and distortions. So, they will go into the attack mode soon, or give up and pretend they never saw this thread and continue on without stopping to think how their idealogy has been created.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn View Post
    "implies (but doesn't directly say) that the Chomskies aren't too smart,"

    Gullible and blinded by hatred is probably a better discription for most rather than being out and out stupid.

    and this is from the man who keeps telling us that he never attacks the messenger? whats that funny smell???

    ah yes. Bullshit.

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