Ukraine war mega thread

[Iceman123]

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Have a read again cellar dweller, I never said Russia had won, I stated clearly Russia was winning.
Now let me get your viewpoint - Who in your opinion is winning?

Btw, fuck knows why you have attributed your last 3 quotes to me. Pissed again?

[bsnub]

I never said Russia had won, I stated clearly Russia was winning.

Six months into the war, you came into this thread almost daily to cheerlead for the ruzzians. Claiming the war was almost over. You are a bottom feeding clown and nothing more.

Now let me get your viewpoint - Who in your opinion is winning?

Oh you are interested in my viewpoint now? Very interesting as you have never contributed one post of substance to this thread. So why is there no Red Army parade on the streets of Kyiv? That is the more poignant question.

[Iceman123]

Oh you are interested in my viewpoint now? Very interesting as you have never contributed one post of substance to this thread. So why is there no Red Army parade on the streets of Kyiv? That is the more poignant question.

Not interested in your viewpoint, just looking for confirmation of your dumbass stupidity.
Just answer the question without obfuscation- Who is winning?

[bsnub]

Not interested in your viewpoint

No shit sherlock.

just looking for confirmation of your dumbass stupidity.

The only stupidity on display is yours, you fucking clown.

Just answer the question without obfuscation

Go fuck yourself toerag, according to you the ruzzians should have been in Kyiv a year and a half ago. Go suck pootin's cock bitch.

[helge]

So why is there no Red Army parade on the streets of Kyiv? That is the more poignant question.

You really is embarrassing

[helge]

just looking for confirmation of your dumbass stupidity.

Look no further.

He displays it in every post he makes. In every thread

[bsnub]

You really is embarrassing

No, you are a fucking idiot.

He displays it in every post he makes. In every thread

This coming from a completely clueless vatnik. Your posts are utter shit that is almost all based on kremlin propaganda or just complete bullshit. Your hypocrisy is showing again, dumb fuck.

[helge]

Originally Posted by bsnub
So why is there no Red Army parade on the streets of Kyiv? That is the more poignant question.

You really is embarrassing

[Iceman123]

I never predicted when this war would end. I am not going to start now.

How about telling us about how it will end, or is that another topic you will avoid?

[BLD]

Do as I have done snubby. Put those clowns on ignore.

[Iceman123]

Do as I have done snubby. Put those clowns on ignore.

Let’s just state the obvious. How did you manage to read my post?

[helge]

Do as I have done snubby. Put those clowns on ignore.

Then he wouldn't know who to direct his NAFO shitposting at.

Nice try but wouldn't work.

[Norton]

How about telling us about how it will end, or is that another topic you will avoid?

I have said how I think it will end way back but will restate a Norton opinion.
Russia will back off when the "west" goes full on in not just supplying arms to Ukrain but stationing troops in Ukrain and increasing sanctions on any country aiding Russia militarily or economically. Specifically China and India.

If this is not done Putin will continue increasing war production and throwing cannon fodder troops into the war.

[baldrick]

russia will end

our enemies will vanish

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...s-will-vanish?

[Iceman123]

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FFS has Bsnub written a book?

[OhOh]

8 Jun, 2024 11:10


HomeWorld News


EU could stop Ukraine conflict in 24 hours – Orban

In order to achieve this, pro-peace forces need to come to power, the Hungarian prime minister has said.

"The West is “within centimeters of a direct conflict” with Russia, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has warned, noting that both the EU and US need pro-peace forces to replace those currently in power in order to avoid this scenario.

In an interview with TV2 on Friday, just two days before the European Parliament elections, Orban said that with all the discussions regarding sending additional weapons and even troops to Ukraine, the West “is on a straight road to war.”

The prime minister noted that when the conflict began in 2022, most EU countries, including Germany, vowed to only send non-lethal aid to Kiev, such as helmets – and “there was no question of supplying equipment suitable for killing human life to the Ukrainians.” Since then, however, the Western powers have supplied Kiev with a wide range of weaponry and ammunition.

“At the rate this is going, it is not an exaggeration to say that we are centimeters away from the final stop when Western European or American soldiers appear in the territory of Ukraine, we are within inches of a direct collision [with Russia] at this moment,” he warned, lamenting that most leaders currently in power in the West “don’t see it, they want war.”

He added, however, that the point of no return has not been reached yet, and to prevent a war with Russia from breaking out, there needs to be a change in Western governments.

“We are at the penultimate moment to reverse the outbreak of the war. For this we need to achieve change in Brussels and Washington... If the European leaders wanted peace today, within 24 hours there would be a ceasefire at the front line. All they would have to do was to say: Dear Ukrainians, a ceasefire is necessary, we need to stop, we will not give more weapons and money until there is a ceasefire and peace negotiations,” Orban said. He added that there would be a greater chance of reaching a peace deal if Donald Trump wins the US presidential election in November and “ends this war within 24 hours,” as he has pledged to do.

Orban has insisted that Hungary should refrain from taking part in any potential NATO action in Ukraine, arguing that the military bloc was created with the purpose of defending member states from aggressors, not waging war outside its territory.

Hungary has consistently criticized the Western approach to the Ukraine conflict, and opposed NATO’s funding and arming of Ukraine, as well as the sweeping sanctions on Russia – instead calling for a ceasefire and diplomatic solution.

https://www.rt.com/news/599006-eu-st...aine-conflict/

[helge]

FFS has Bsnub written a book?

He might have heard about books and maybe even seen one, but it's obvious that he never opened one

[Norton]

Hungary has consistently criticized the Western approach to the Ukraine conflict, and opposed NATO’s funding and arming of Ukraine, as well as the sweeping sanctions on Russia – instead calling for a ceasefire and diplomatic solution.

When/if Russia invades Hungary, no doubt they will be screaming and demanding the exact thing they are now criticizing NATO for.

Hungary should drop out of NATO, as is their option, if they so dislike being part of it?

[baldrick]

‘We’re in 1938 now’: Putin’s war in Ukraine and lessons from history | Ukraine | The Guardian

[helge]

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[39TG]

He might have heard about books and maybe even seen one, but it's obvious that he never opened one

Complete nonsense. bsnub 's makes a really valuable and informed contribution to this thread.

I long for the day Putin is either dead or in the dock. He deserves what's coming.

[39TG]

Whoops, I can't seem to edit the poor grammar.

[helge]

Originally Posted by helge


He might have heard about books and maybe even seen one, but it's obvious that he never opened one

Complete nonsense. bsnub 's makes a really valuable and informed contribution to this thread.

Several options here:

You haven't read the thread

You are on drugs

You would enjoy have a bucket of shit poured over your head by a drunk ignorant, who sees himself as God's gift to ......everything.


Don't fucking tell me it's all 3 ?

I long for the day Putin is either dead or in the dock. He deserves what's coming.

Get in line, matey

[Iceman123]

Complete nonsense. bsnub 's makes a really valuable and informed contribution to this thread.

Said no one fuckin’ ever

[OhOh]

The background.

Russia’s Fifth Offer to Negotiate With US on Ukraine

June 20, 2024

"The neocon approach to Russia, delusional and hubristic from the start, lies in ruins, writes Jeffrey Sachs. Biden must work with Putin to bring peace.

By Jeffrey D. Sachs

"For the fifth time since 2008, Russia has proposed to negotiate with the U.S. over security arrangements, this time in proposals made by President Vladimir Putin on June 14.

Four previous times, the U.S. rejected the offer of negotiations in favor of a neocon strategy to weaken or dismember Russia through war and covert operations.

The U.S. neocon tactics have failed disastrously, devastating Ukraine in the process, and endangering the whole world. After all the warmongering, it’s time for Biden to open negotiations for peace with Russia.

Since the end of the Cold War, the U.S. grand strategy has been to weaken Russia. As early as 1992, then Defense Secretary Richard Cheney opined that following the 1991 demise of the Soviet Union, Russia too should be dismembered.

Zbigniew Brzezinski [U.S. national security advisor under President Jimmy Carter] opined in 1997 that Russia should be divided into three loosely confederated entities in Russian Europe, Siberia, and the far east.

In 1999, the U.S.-led NATO alliance bombed Russia’s ally, Serbia, for 78 days in order to break Serbia apart and install a massive NATO military base in breakaway Kosovo. Leaders of the U.S. military-industrial complex vociferously supported the Chechen war against Russia in the early 2000s.

To secure these U.S. advances against Russia, Washington aggressively pushed NATO enlargement, despite promises to Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin that NATO would not move one inch eastward from Germany.

Most tendentiously, the U.S. pushed NATO enlargement to Ukraine and Georgia, with the idea of surrounding Russia’s naval fleet in Sevastopol, Crimea, with NATO states: Ukraine, Romania (NATO member 2004), Bulgaria (NATO member 2004), Turkey (NATO member 1952), and Georgia, an idea straight from the playbook of the British Empire in the Crimean War (1853-6).

Brzezinski spelled out a chronology of NATO enlargement in 1997, including NATO membership of Ukraine during 2005-2010. The U.S. in fact proposed NATO membership for Ukraine and Georgia at the 2008 NATO Bucharest Summit.

By 2020, NATO had in fact enlarged by 14 countries in Central Europe, Eastern Europe, and the former Soviet Union (Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland in 1999; Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia in 2004; Albania and Croatia, 2009; Montenegro, 2017; and Northern Macedonia, 2020), while promising future membership to Ukraine and Georgia.

In short, the 30-year U.S. project, hatched originally by Cheney and the neocons, and carried forward consistently since then, has been to weaken or even dismember Russia, surround Russia with NATO forces, and depict Russia as the belligerent power.

It is against this grim backdrop that Russian leaders have repeatedly proposed to negotiate security arrangements with Europe and the U.S. that would provide security for all countries concerned, not just the NATO bloc.

Guided by the neocon game plan, the U.S. has refused to negotiate on every occasion, while trying to pin the blame on Russia for the lack of negotiations.

First Proposal — 2008"

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For the sake of Ukraine’s very survival, and to avoid nuclear war, the President of the United States has one overriding responsibility today: Negotiate."

Russia’s Fifth Offer to Negotiate With US on Ukraine