Ukraine war mega thread

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For Norton:

Starts 3 min in

[bsnub]

Says the guy who has been wrong, wrong, and wrong since the beginning of this war.

You as usual are either just willfully ignorant or outright lying. I was correct about in that I predicted the Kharkiv offensive that liberated the entire oblast, the liberation of Kherson etc. I got the summer offensive in Zaporizhia wrong. Predicting military operations is not easy, and even may retired generals have been wrong.

Ukraine is doomed without the West and the West has lost interest.

[bsnub]

Ukraine is doomed without the West and the West has lost interest.

The aid is coming and will continue to come, as I have previously posted.

For Norton:

Starts 3 min in

Trying to flood the thread with shit to stifle discussion. Mcgregor is a fucking Kremlin stooge and a traitor to the uniform he wore.

[pickel]

Heavy medicated, Pickel ?

Not at the moment. I've abstained for the day in hopes of taking a proper shit. Not sure about your current sobriety status though.

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Originally Posted by helge
For Norton:

Starts 3 min in

Trying to flood the thread with shit to stifle discussion. Mcgregor is a fucking Kremlin stooge and a traitor to the uniform he wore.

What exactly do you not understand in: "For Norton"?

[Norton]

What exactly do you not understand in: "For Norton"?

That's nice but if just for me, a PM is more appropriate.

[bsnub]

Spot on by Jake as usual...

[helge]

I watched all of Jake's video, cause I have an open mind

[OhOh]

Allegedly, Russia is taking out electrical supply facilities.

The logic is to make it impossible for anyone to remain in the cities. The locals have to move elsewhere. The military similarly.

HOW THE ELECTRIC WAR IS REDRAWING THE UKRAINE MAP – IN BLACK

by John Helmer, Moscow

"The electric war, which in its first phase commenced in September 2022, has now entered its second and final phase – final, that is, for the Ukraine.

This is strategic; war has never been fought like this in Europe. The US and NATO general staffs and politicians have been taken by complete surprise. “The Ukrainians are building Maginot and Siegfried lines according to the instructions of their foreign advisers,” according to a Moscow analyst, “as if the Russian offensive will be men, artillery and tanks running across the landscape towards Kiev. But they won’t have to. The offensive against Ukrainian electricity cannot be stopped at these lines.”

Without effective defence for its power generating plants, distribution hubs, and grid lines, the Kiev regime’s power is being stopped across the country;

The major Novorussian cities in the east – Odessa, Kharkov, Dniepropetrovsk – are being blacked out and their populations forced to evacuate;

The warmaking resupplies of the NATO allies are being cut off at borders which are now exposed to reversal of electricity surges threatening the plants and grids of southern Poland, Romania and Moldova. Even European and American money for President Vladimir Zelensky’s regime needs electricity to move."

Continues here:

Dances With Bears >> HOW THE ELECTRIC WAR IS REDRAWING THE UKRAINE MAP – IN BLACK

[david44]

Can anyone explain why those under 25 are not conscripted by AFU which hs a smaller pool than Putin's forced / bribed recruits and jailbirds?

[helge]

Putin's forced / bribed recruits and jailbirds?

And volunteers if you are interested in the whole picture

Spot on by Jake as usual...

And here comes a different view of the situation:

[Norton]

Gotta love all these "journalists" espousing the "Truth about whwtever the fuck" they chose to be 'expert" on.

[helge]

Gotta love all these "journalists" espousing the "Truth about whwtever the fuck" they chose to be 'expert" on.

Who are you refering to ?

I have a great deal more time for a guy who actually lives in Donetsk, than a fantast who shows us an imaginary map from Orwell's 1984 !!

Didn't quite understand the novel then, did he ?

FFS

[BLD]

Update: The Explanation

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Request from the United States sends Danish fighter jets to Argentina and not Ukraine


The United States should not just approve a Danish sale of F-16 aircraft. The voice of the superpower has also been active in ensuring that Argentina does not buy fighter jets from China, experts say.







F-16 aircraft, like the ones pictured here, are produced by the American arms manufacturer Lockheed Martin. They have been part of the Danish Armed Forces for more than 40 years, but are now to be phased out in favor of F-35 fighter jets. Because they are American-made, it is the United States that decides who Denmark can sell the planes to. (Photo: © Andrew Caballero-Reynolds, Ritzau Scanpix)

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Anders Dall
Onske fra USA sender danske kampfly til Argentina og ikke Ukraine | Indland | DR

There are great power pieces at stake in the deal that Denmark looks set to enter into with Argentina for the sale of 24 F-16 fighter jets.

Although Denmark and Argentina have not finally signed a contract, the two countries today sign a letter of intent to sell Danish F-16 fighter jets to Argentina.

This is stated by the Ministry of Defence on its website.

READ ALSO:Denmark sells F-16 fighter jets to Argentina for 2.1 billion
A sale will secure Denmark around DKK 2.1 billion, which is the price for the 24 fighter jets. But it also ensures that Denmark makes the United States happy, because Argentina does not make an agreement with another great power.

This is the assessment of independent defense analyst Hans Peter Michaelsen, who has a past in the Danish Air Force.

"There are many indications that the United States has first and foremost been very interested in preventing China from suddenly gaining a foothold in Argentina and South America, because fighter jets are also a strategic cooperation for many years," Michaelsen said.

READ ALSO:Defense Minister travels to Buenos Aires: To discuss sale of 24 Danish fighter jets


Chinese Interests

China has been in the running to sell fighter jets to Argentina and offered 15 JF-17 fighter jets with the possibility that even more could eventually be purchased. The Argentine media La Nacion and the Buenos Aires Times have described this, among other things.

But now that Defense Minister Troels Lund Poulsen (Liberal Party) and his Argentine ministerial colleague sign a declaration to complete the sale, the Americans no longer have to worry about another superpower gaining ground in South America.







F-16s in formation to mark the Queen's 50th royal jubilee. Now 24 of the Armed Forces' F-16 aircraft may be on their way to Argentina (Photo: © Mads Claus Rasmussen, Ritzau Scanpix)

"When we come to the American continent, the United States does not want China to have a bigger role to play. Therefore, it has been an American wish that it became Western aircraft and that Denmark could easily sell used aircraft to Argentina, says Hans Peter Michaelsen.

In October last year, the United States gave the green light for Denmark to sell F-16s to Argentina. The United States must approve all sales of F-16s because they are American-made. However, Defense Minister Troels Lund Poulsen rejects any kind of external pressure in relation to selling the planes to Argentina.

"We are not pressured into anything. We are also interested in having a close dialogue with our American colleagues. Our close dialogue with the Americans, which we have enjoyed for many years, is also an expression of our solidarity with the United States.

But having said that, it is not the case that Denmark is pressured to sell 24 fighter jets to Argentina. This is a decision we make ourselves," says Troels Lund Poulsen.

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DF: We need to help the U.S.


Last year, Denmark donated 19 fighter jets to Ukraine. The planes are expected to be delivered later this year, but with more F-16s to be phased out in favor of the new F-35 fighter jets, Denmark should have secured even more F-16s for Ukraine in the long run.

This is the view of the Liberal Alliance. Defense spokesman Carsten Bach acknowledges, however, that it is the United States that decides where the planes go.

"We would have liked these F-16s to have been donated to Ukraine in the long term, but we have to say that the Americans have probably compromised a little with the Danish position and have allowed us to actually donate F-16s to Ukraine, and I'm happy about that," says Carsten Bach.







In October last year, Denmark received the first new F-35 fighter jets from Lockheed Martin. (Photo: © Bo Amstrup, Ritzau Scanpix)

Alex Ahrendtsen, defense spokesman for the Danish People's Party, is pleased that the Danish government now looks set to close a deal with Argentina.

[COLOR=#333333]"China and Russia lie and bribe governments to be their friends. Therefore, we have a great interest in helping the United States maintain their influence with this trade,

Indeed,very interesting article

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Sorry for including the whole post again forgot I didn't have edit function in the doghouse. Not sure why this thread is doghouse though? Have tax and oh ho been over enthusiastic?

[bsnub]

I have a great deal more time for a guy who actually lives in Donetsk

Of course, you do because he would be a paid shill pushing propaganda.

Didn't quite understand the novel then, did he ?

It is you that did not understand vatnik.

[OhOh]

oh ho been over enthusiastic?

Easily determined prior to smearing others.

Look at page 1 and 2 of the thread. Dog housed way before my first post #37.

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If Tax is guilty, then he has been very effective.

He has 1 post out of 15067

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FOREIGN COUNTRY


Ukrainian drones hit targets 1200 kilometers inside Russia


Ukrainian attacks against Russia have intensified, but they still cannot threaten the Russian war machine.







A building was hit by a Ukrainian drone in Tatarstan. According to the Ukrainian side, the target was an oil depot and a drone factory. The Russian side says that a college was hit and that a fire in the oil depot was quickly extinguished. This is the first time there have been attacks against that part of Russia ( © Ostorozhno Novosti/Reuters/Ritzau Scanpix)

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Brita Kvist Hansen

Matilde Kimer

Ukrainske droner rammer mal 1200 kilometer inde i Rusland | Udland | DR

Long-range Ukrainian drones have hit an oil refinery and building in the Russian republic of Tatarstan. This is the first time that part of Russia has been hit.

The attack was planned by Ukrainian military intelligence and security, an intelligence source told Ukrainian media Suspilne. The refinery, which is among the five largest in Russia, caught fire. An intelligence source told Hromadske that the purpose of the attack was to "cut off oxygen supplies to the petrol state".

The attack seems to have come as a surprise.

MATILDE KIMER, RUSSIA CORRESPONDENT

The target of the second attack, according to Ukrainian media, was a drone factory. It is located 1200 kilometers from the Ukrainian border. The company produces the Iranian-developed Shahed drones, which are sent over Ukraine almost daily.

The Russian authorities report that a college of students at a technical college has been affected and that there are at least thirteen casualties.

According to newspaper Kommersant, Tatarstan leader Rustam Minnikhanov says there was no serious damage and that "technical processes continue".

Russia correspondent Matilde Kimer said the attack was making headlines in the vast majority of Russian media.

"The attack in Tatarstan reaches far into Russia. It seems to have come as a surprise that the Ukrainian drones can reach beyond the 1,000 kilometres, says Matilde Kimer.

"This means that the number of targets for the Ukrainian drones has multiplied and that a number of refineries can hardly feel safe.

It's our own drones


Ukrainian drone strikes against Russia have been part of the war since the first part of the war. But in recent weeks there have been far more, and the targets have been mainly Russian oil depots.







An oil depot caught fire in January near the city of Bryansk in western Russia. According to the city's governor, it was a Ukrainian drone strike (Photo: © Russia's Ministry of Disasters)

And Ukraine is now taking clear responsibility for the attacks. It hasn't always sounded like that. When a drone exploded in Moscow last summer, for example, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy could be heard saying that attacks on Russian territory were "inevitable, natural and a completely just consequence of the war"

But that is without directly confirming that Ukraine is the sender.

Such wording has been replaced by more direct speech. In a recent interview with the Wall Street Journal, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said:

"When there are no air defenses to protect our energy system and Russia attacks, I ask:

Why can't we respond again? Their society must learn to live without petrol, diesel, electricity - that's fair.







An oil depot burns in Kursk on February 15, 140 kilometers from the border with Ukraine. The cause, according to Russian authorities, is an overnight Ukrainian drone attack. Image from Kursk Governor Roman Starovojt's Telegram account
In interviews, Zelenskyy also confirmed information from the Financial Times that the United States has asked Ukraine to stop attacking oil depots in Russia.

But the president refuses to abide by this:

- We use our own drones. No one can tell us not to.

Balancing act with the United States


Matilde Kimer believes that Zelenskyy is walking a deliberate, delicate balancing act with his formulations:

"It's that Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian military didn't directly take responsibility for the attacks, because they know full well that the U.S. is against them," Kimer said.

According to Matilde Kimer, the reason for the sharper tone now is that the Ukrainians still lack the gigantic arms delivery from the Americans, which should have been approved before Christmas, and as the weapons stocks are emptied, Ukraine becomes more pressured.

"Now the president is saying unwrapped that you are going to lose territory if the weapons are not delivered, and he is openly saying that Ukraine, as part of its active defense, is also shelling military targets in Russia," Matilde Kimer said.

Ukraine's favorite destination - oil depots


During 2024, Ukrainian drones will have hit numerous oil facilities in various regions of Russia, including Samara on the Volga, a thousand kilometers southeast of Moscow and in Saint Petersburg.

But Claus Mathiesen, the Defense College and former defense attache in Ukraine, does not believe that the Ukrainian attacks are yet on a scale that disrupts Russia's war effort by causing fuel shortages.

But the Ukrainian motive can also be another:

"The aim is to fan discontent in Russia. To make the price of gasoline rise for the ordinary Russian.

"And then you go after the production of the Shahed drones, which Russia is deploying precisely to hit the Ukrainians' resilience.

Ukraine thus made headlines and underlined the strategic goals it is pursuing - now even further away. But the real effect is another matter.

Although according to Claus Mathiesen it is estimated that 10-15% of the oil stock in Russian depots has been affected in the attacks, more is needed.

"It is too little to have an effect on the course of the war," Mathiesen said.

Looks like a small airplane


In Russia, the political top has no doubt that the attack comes from Ukraine.

"The drones were definitely sent from Ukraine," Andrei Kartapolov, chairman of the Duma's defence committee, told Gazeta.ru.

But he has apparently not seen the type of drones that have been used before. For Andrei Kartapolov says that it is necessary to understand what kind of thing it is.

"On videos, it almost looks like a small airplane," Kartapolov said.

He adds that it must also be determined whether it was manned or unmanned, and that it is very difficult for ordinary air defenses to detect such a light and low-flying craft.

While Kartapolov wants the drone examined, according to Matilde Kimer, some military experts are ready to give their guesses.

- They believe it was a drone of model UJ-22, which is otherwise estimated to have a range of 800 kilometers, says Matilde Kimer.

And this then opens up more possibilities:

"Either Ukraine has succeeded in further developing the drone so that it flies significantly further. Or - and there is speculation - it is not shipped from Ukrainian territory but somewhere closer to the destination, maybe even smuggled across the border into Russia and sent from there, says Matilde Kimer.

[OhOh]

information from the Financial Times that the United States has asked Ukraine to stop attacking oil depots in Russia.

Biden not happy when oil and gas prices go up, especially in an election year.

When Russian oil and gas prices go up the result is more incom for Russia.

ESPO one month rise frim $78 to $84

Sokol one month rise from $76 to $80

Oil Price Charts | Oilprice.com

[bsnub]

When Russian oil and gas prices go up the result is more incom for Russia.

That is a lie. Oil is not going up because of that. The more refineries that get destroyed in ruzzia the better, it forces them to sell crude on the open market instead of refining it in the country. This decimates revenue for the ruzzian government and drives the global price of oil down. The reason that oil is going up has nothing to do with that, it is because OPEC is cutting production. Fucking corrupt bastards.

[Norton]

The reason that oil is going up has nothing to do with that, it is because OPEC is cutting production. Fucking corrupt bastards.

Yep and gas prices at the pump go up worldwide. Hit's me in the pocketbook so fuck OPEC and the camels they rode in on!

[helge]

Yep and gas prices at the pump go up worldwide. Hit's me in the pocketbook so fuck OPEC and the camels they rode in on!

If someone farts in Venezuela, Houthis being rude in the Red Sea, Pipelines under attack anywhere in the world, prices will go up.

Doesn't matter if the threat to supply is significant or not.

World marked traders/speculant will use every opportunity to make an extra billion.


It's a closed party and you ain't invited