Ukraine war mega thread

[Norton]

Never heard of any warcrime charges against him.

Only because he was already dead when the first war crimes trial took place in Nuremburg.

[helge]

I would like to point out that I didn't read all of the article

Only took the juicy parts

[helge]

^^
No shit

[Norton]

However, you are correct. Not many convicted war criminals served their convictions.

List of Axis personnel indicted for war crimes - Wikipedia

[helge]

Have a look at Former Yugoslavia

Less than ..90 convicted !!!!


But it does of course get complicated, when you can't charge the winners....too much

[OhOh]

All of them, of course.

So none to share with us to back up your allegation in #15014.

[bsnub]

So none to share with us to back up your allegation in #15014.

It has been well documented in this thread for the last two years, you bottom feeding tankie piece of shit.

[pickel]

So none to share with us to back up your allegation in #15014.

Do you get slapped a lot when you open your mouth in public?

Re-read the thread, wanker.

[helge]

Re-read the thread, wanker.

I wouldn't recommend that

[Troy]

Despite the unwavering support from Bsnub, I'm afraid Ukraine is on the verge of retreat and ultimate collapse unless something decisive comes from the West.

There is no doubt that it's been a heroic effort against a major super power but the numbers will ultimately prevail. Ukraine does not have the manpower or munitions to match the Russians. The current estimate of 30,000 additional troops a month being coerced into the Russian army, together with their ammunition production, is far too much for Ukraine to match even with the current Western support.

I really wanted Snubby to be right and all of us to be wrong, but I'm afraid every passing day Russia will be stronger and Ukraine will be weaker until ultimately the war will be lost.

One only hopes Russia decides to stop at Ukraine.

[pickel]

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Russia is still a long way from the finish line, and even if they reached it there would be an insurgency that would eventually make them leave, as has been the case of nearly every colonial power in history. I still have faith in the power of Russian mothers as well.

If a bill for funding was actually put on the floor in the US congress, it would overwhelmingly pass. It is a handful of the MAGA crowd preventing the Speaker from putting it to a vote. That hopefully can't last, but nothing surprises me anymore.

[helge]

It is a handful of the MAGA crowd preventing the Speaker from putting it to a vote.

Comes up after Easter

If a bill for funding was actually put on the floor in the US congress, it would overwhelmingly pass.

Sure, but it is now linked to the Border issue

[helge]

Russia is still a long way from the finish line, and even if they reached it there would be an insurgency that would eventually make them leave, as has been the case of nearly every colonial power in history.

They'll need a Million + troops to police all of Ukraine, which they haven't got

[pickel]

Sure, but it is now linked to the Border issue

Biden called their bluff on that, so it would pass too, barring the power of a handful of MAGAt's.

They'll need a Million + troops to police all of Ukraine, which they haven't got

Exactly. And at least another half that in casualties to get to that point.

[Troy]

They'll need a Million + troops to police all of Ukraine, which they haven't got

Isn't that a post war problem? I mean after some sort of settlement has been made, there will always be dissent.

[Takeovers]

They'll need a Million + troops to police all of Ukraine, which they haven't got

Not a problem for Putin. Once they have won the war they just keep killiing people until resistance ceases.

[Takeovers]

Of course the Ukraine people know this. It motivates them to fight to the end.

[pickel]

Not a problem for Putin.

I disagree. It's why he uses prisoners and disingenuous contract signings instead of full mobilization. That can't last.

Once they have won the war they just keep killiing people until resistance ceases.

"The beatings will continue until morale improves" strategy has never worked for colonial powers. Why would it be different this time?

[bsnub]

Despite the unwavering support from Bsnub, I'm afraid Ukraine is on the verge of retreat and ultimate collapse unless something decisive comes from the West.

Good lord. If anyone was wrong about something, this post takes the cake. Ukraine is about to take possession of almost a million artillery shells thanks to Czech president Petr Pavel. That in and of itself is that qualifies as "something decisive" from the west. Due to speaker of the house, Mike Johnson single-handedly blocking the Ukraine bill that would pass with a super majority, there is a glut of ammo, artillery shells etc in the US waiting to be moved to Ukraine. This is on top of the shells that are inbound to Ukraine by the Czech initiative.

The real problem for Ukraine is manpower. They have an idiotic rule in place that restricts conscription of anyone under 25. You can not win wars that way, it is young men under 25 who win wars.

[helge]

Not a problem for Putin. Once they have won the war they just keep killiing people until resistance ceases.

Of course the Ukraine people know this. It motivates them to fight to the end.

There will be ukrainians who would want to get on with their lifes too.

But does anybody know what Putin would settle for ?

There's no chance that he'll go back to the Istanbul agreement.

He probably needs Odessa and a totally demillitarized Ukraine.

More ?

Guarantees ? From who , who could he believe and who would give them ?

I think the "west" will play Pickel's Russian Mother Card soon and start taking the destruction to Russia.

Won't help them in Ukraine, but could give a better deal at the table.



I wonder how the foreign Corporations who owns much of Ukraine looks at the situation.

They'll have a say

[helge]

EU pledged 1 mill shells last year and they are still..dripping in, but almost delievered, if I understand it correctly

Ukraine is about to take possession of almost a million artillery shells thanks to Czech president Petr Pavel.

800000 shells being bought "overseas". Funding has taken some time !

First shipment to be delievered in June and the rest within 12 month.

There might be 600000 more somehere, which also needs funding


And then ?

[Troy]

Good lord. If anyone was wrong about something, this post takes the cake.

Says the guy who has been wrong, wrong, and wrong since the beginning of this war. A guy that still calls everyone wrong that doesn't believe what he believes.

Ukraine has lost Bahkmut. It has lost Avdivka. It failed to take Tokmak. It failed in its counteroffensive and lost the will of the West.

Ukraine is doomed without the West and the West has lost interest.

[pickel]

I think the "west" will play Pickel's Russian Mother Card soon and start taking the destruction to Russia.

Haven't a clue what you mean here. The West will have nothing to do with influencing Russian mothers decisions. Have they ever been able to do that? It's always been their dead, maimed, and cheated sons that has done it in the past.

[bsnub]

Ukraine Could Get Millions Of Artillery Shells—And Soon. It’s Getting Its Best Guns Ready To Fire Away.

EU pledged 1 mill shells last year and they are still..dripping in, but almost delievered

That has nothing to do with the Czech president's initiative.

Ukrainian artillery is pretty quiet right now as Ukraine gradually recovers from a long period of ammunition-starvation—one mostly inflicted by the Russia-friendly wing of the U.S. Republican Party.

But ammo finally is coming. Lots of it. And Ukraine is readying its big guns to resume blasting away. That starts with repairing dozens of mostly American-supplied M777 towed howitzers—something the Ukrainians finally can do in Ukraine and with Ukrainian parts.

“We have established production of some of these parts here in Ukraine,” said Gen. Oleksandr Syrskyi, the new commander-in-chief of Ukrainian forces. “In particular, when restoring each unit of this howitzer, 40 percent of the parts and spare parts manufactured for the needs of the armed forces of Ukraine at domestic enterprises are used.”

This is important. Sending damaged examples of foreign-made weapons to other countries for repair has resulted in long delays—many months, in some cases—getting those weapons back to Ukraine. Delays at foreign depots have created artificial shortages of Leopard 2 tanks in Ukrainian brigades, for example.

In fixing up its hundreds of M777s locally and with locally-made parts, instead of sending the guns abroad or waiting for shipments of foreign-made parts—or, worse, cannibalizing several damaged howitzers to repair another damaged howitzer—the Ukrainians keep more guns in action, longer.

Ukraine got, from allies including the United States, at least 190 of the M777s. By 2023 the five-ton, five-person howitzers—which lob 100-pound, 155-millimeter shells as far as 18 miles without rocket-assistance—were among the best and most important big guns in Ukrainian service. “The reason is its precision,” one Ukrainian gunner told Radio Free Europe.

In 25 months of hard fighting, the Russians destroyed—mostly with drones and artillery counterbattery—44 of Ukraine’s M777s and damaged another 38 of the guns. That has reduced, by nearly half, the number of M777s on the front line.

A shortage of howitzers isn’t the Ukrainian artillery corps’ biggest problem. Its biggest problem is those Russia-friendly Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives, who began blocking further U.S. aid to Ukraine starting in October. Deprived of American ammo, Ukrainian batteries went from firing as many as 10,000 shells a day to just 2,000.

But the Republicans may finally be caving to intense pressure to side with democratic Ukraine over authoritarian Russia. Speaker of the House Rep. Mike Johnson has pledged to schedule a vote on fresh aid to Ukraine in April.

If that happens, the U.S. government could rush-ship potentially hundreds of thousands of shells to Ukraine. They might begin to arrive at the same time that at least a million shells purchased for Ukraine by a Czech-led consortium also arrive. Ukraine also has been getting the last few hundred thousand of those million shells the European Union pledged last year.

All that is to say, Ukraine soon could be flush with artillery ammo.

If so, the Ukrainian artillery corps will want to return to action every gun that safely can shoot—including however many of those 38 damaged M777s still are damaged. Which is why it’s such a big deal that the Ukrainians are beginning to repair M777s in-country, with their own parts.

With Ammo Coming, Ukraine Is Getting Its Howitzers Ready To Fire Away

[helge]

The West will have nothing to do with influencing Russian mothers decisions.

It's always been their dead, maimed, and cheated sons that has done it in the past.

I think the "west" will play Pickel's Russian Mother Card soon and start taking the destruction to Russia.

Heavy medicated, Pickel ?