Ukraine war mega thread

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‘Putin is an animal; he will devour you and your democracy’ — Zelenskyy


The New Voice of Ukraine
Tue, January 2, 2024 at 1:05 PM

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy

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If the West leaves Ukraine without support and allows Russia to win, the war will spread to NATO and EU countries, Ukrainian President

Volodymyr Zelenskyy said in an interview with The Economist on Jan. 1.

“By giving us money or weapons, you are supporting yourselves,” Zelenskyy said.

“You are saving your children, not ours.

Putin senses weakness, like an animal, because he is an animal.

He smells blood, he feels his strength.

And he will eat you for dinner with all your EU, NATO, freedom, and democracy.”

Read also: Russian diplomat says Finland will be first to suffer during NATO escalation

That’s why European countries should lobby for U.S. aid to Ukraine.

The intelligence services of several European countries have begun to explore the possibility of an attack on their territory by Russia, and it's not just about the former Soviet republics (Baltic states — ed.), according to Zelenskyy.

Read also: Ukraine to produce a million drones in 2024 — Zelenskyy

Russia might try to attack Europe at the end of 2024 or early 2025, reported Bild on Dec. 23.

Germany might one day be forced to wage a defensive war against Russia, stated Carsten Breuer, the Bundeswehr Inspector General on Dec. 9.

Russia will attack NATO countries if it captures Ukraine, U.S. President Joe Biden said on Dec. 6.

Russia is rejuvenating its forces and capabilities and preparing for a possible confrontation with NATO, stated Lieutenant General Jürgen-Joachim von Sandrart, Commander of the NATO Multinational Corps Northeast on Dec. 5.

Russia is replenishing its strategic stockpile of missiles, carriers of nuclear weapons, to threaten NATO, said Ukrainian Air Force spokesperson Yuriy Ihnat on dec. 4.

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He is totally losing it.

Desperation

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Then:
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source – radio free Europe

Hundreds Of Ukrainians March To Honor Controversial Nationalist Leader


Hundreds of Ukrainians held a torchlight march in the capital, Kyiv, to mark the birthday of the controversial nationalist leader Stepan Bandera.
The January 1 march came amid a buildup of Russian forces near the border with Ukraine, which some believe could be a prelude to an invasion.
“Today, when there is a war with the occupier at the front, and the struggle against the ‘fifth column’ continues in the rear, we remember and honor the memory of Stepan Bandera,” Andriy Tarasenko, leader of the nationalist party Right Sector, said.
Bandera is revered as a hero by many Ukrainians for leading the political wing of the anti-Soviet independence movement, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN). Its military wing — the Ukrainian Insurgent Army — waged partisan warfare during and after World War II.
But Bandera — who was killed by a Soviet assassin in Munich in 1959 — is regarded as a traitor by others for leading an insurgent war against Soviet forces and collaborating with Nazi Germany. His forces also fought against the Nazis at times during the war and are accused of carrying out murderous campaigns against Poles and Jews.
Similar marches also took place in several other cities, including Lviv, where about 500 people gathered at BNandera’s monument to honor him.

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Now:

Museum in Lviv completely burned down due to Shahed drone …

Webfor 1 dag siden · The Russians have completely destroyed the museum dedicated to UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army) Corporal General Roman Shukhevych in Lviv on the birthday of Stepan Bandera. [1 January]

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Well done

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From RT: Probably sexed up

Find the original yourself

Britain's weapons stockpiles reduced to nothing The Times

RT.com
2nd January 2024, 07:13 GMT+11

The paper quoted an unnamed Ukrainian source as saying London is now mostly persuading other nations to donate their arms to Kiev
Britain's weapons stockpiles have been nearly completely emptied out by almost two years of deliveries to Ukraine, The Times has reported. The British newspaper also claimed that the UK, together with other Western European nations, is scrambling to ramp up arms production ahead of the 2024 presidential election in the US.
While London has spent more than Pound 4.6 billion ($5.7 billion) on arming Kiev since February 2022, NATO's deputy supreme allied commander for Europe, Gen. Tim Radford, warned in July that the UK risked losing its status within the US-led bloc. The general cited personnel shortages, among other issues.
The Times quoted an anonymous Ukrainian military source as saying that Britain had "nothing" left in terms of weapons it could donate. The unnamed official added, however, that London was still playing a crucial role in persuading other nations to ship arms to Kiev.
According to the newspaper, citing an unnamed staffer from Prime Minister Rishi Sunak's office, Britain and several other Western European countries are "cranking through the gears" to make sure Ukraine has enough military supplies to fall back on in case a new US administration decides to withhold or drastically diminish defense aid.
Britain and other Western nations are allegedly seeking to extend the conflict into 2025, and possibly beyond, the source said, in the hope of stretching Russia's resources and forcing it to eventually relent.
The Times also claimed that a growing number of Ukrainians are becoming weary of the conflict, with the idea of sealing a truce with Russia presumably gaining traction among the population. This sentiment is in part fueled by the political impasses in the US and the EU, which have left a massive amount of aid for Kiev hanging in limbo, the paper reported, citing an anonymous Ukrainian military source.
A similar report was published back in early October by the Telegraph, which at the time quoted an unnamed senior British military official as warning that the UK had "given away just about as much as we can afford."
Meanwhile, back in August, British MP Andrew Murrison, who serves as Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Defence People and Families, floated the idea of allowing the British military to recruit candidates with such conditions as autism, Asperger's, and ADHD. The lawmaker cited "serious" staffing shortages, adding that to tackle the problem London may also want to extend the retirement age for military personnel.
(RT.com)

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How much is true and how much is to get the taxpayers to dig deeper in the pockets ?

Mai loo (bor hoo)

[Norton]

How much is true and how much is to get the taxpayers to dig deeper in the pockets ?

Don't know how much is true but the truth according to Norton is.....
The "west" from day one didn't do near enough to force Putin to withdraw from the Ukraine. Far more weaponry and boots on the ground would have done it very quick. Sadly, the trickle of support so far is only going to end in the Ukraine losing not just the currently occupied territories but the entire country.

And that's the truth!

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From RT: Probably sexed up

So why post it? Furthermore, why the fuck are you reading RT? Oh, I forgot you are dimwitted vatnik useful idiot.

Find the original yourself

I looked and it doesn't appear to exist. Surprise surprise. I found this in today's edition of the Times...

‘Women are the best snipers’: the elite soldier hunting naive Russians

‘Women are the best snipers’: the elite soldier hunting naive Russians

Sadly, the trickle of support so far is only going to end in the Ukraine losing not just the currently occupied territories but the entire country.

You have been making some batshit crazy statements of late, are you feeling ok? The trickle of weapons is a crime, but the ruzzians taking any more ground than they have now is a pipe dream.

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I looked and it doesn't appear to exist. Surprise surprise.

This ?

Europe aims to ramp up weapons to help Ukraine defeat Russia (thetimes.co.uk)

You can open the link

So why post it?

They are citing the article, that I do not want to open

why the fuck are you reading RT?

I'm not.

I posted it for you and warned you beforehand.

I have quotes from my other "sources"

[Norton]

the ruzzians taking any more ground than they have now is a pipe dream.

If the west fails to step up big time, what's to stop them?

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the ruzzians taking any more ground than they have now is a pipe dream.

Okay

I thought they were taking ground almost everyday

Keep smoking, Norton

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I thought they were taking ground almost everyday

What fantasy world do you live in? Clearly state what ground has been taken recently?

This ?

Europe aims to ramp up weapons to help Ukraine defeat Russia (thetimes.co.uk)

You can open the link

Why not just post the real article instead of your cherry-picked propaganda?

If the west fails to step up big time, what's to stop them?

By the end of next year, there will be close to 500,000 dead ruzzians in this war. The ruzzians are quickly running out of all types of equipment, they have not launched any attacks of larger than company size in months. How do you propose that that force is capable of taking the entire nation? The ruzzians failed to do it at the start of the war, when they still had something resembling a professional army. They are all dead now, and it is mostly conscripts who are fed into a meat grinder.

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Originally Posted by Norton
Sadly, the trickle of support so far is only going to end in the Ukraine losing not just the currently occupied territories but the entire country.

You have been making some batshit crazy statements of late, are you feeling ok?

Oh dear

If I had posted a reply like that, to you, Norton, some month back, I would have received a red from Snubz:

"Don't post like that to Norton, you fucking moron !"

The times they are a changing

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Sadly, the trickle of support so far is only going to end in the Ukraine losing not just the currently occupied territories but the entire country.

And that's the truth!

Seen from Kremlin it's the only acceptable outcome (I think)

Russia wants a Ukraine outside NATO

How can they get that ?

Only if it's written into the ukrainian constitution. Western guarantees are worthless.

Sadly the ukrainian constitution is as worthless (or was) as the western guarantees.

They can change it like Willy changes underwear (and as often )


Was it a year or so ago that Zelenskaya had written into the constitution, that Ukraine could never negociate with Putin ?

I was thinking: OK, that was easy and that couldn't be done in most democracies.

I had a look, but this is from 2016, and don't know if it has improved since.

Ukraine's constitution: reform or crisis? | openDemocracy

The current Ukrainian constitution has a clear stipulation on the process of its amendments (Chapter 13, articles 154-159):
• Amendments can be proposed by the president or by a 150+ group of MPs
• The approval of amendments is to be made by parliament twice: first time by a simple vote (226), and then by 300 votes at “the next session in turn”
• If these amendments are not approved at “the next session in turn”, they can be approved no less then a year after voting on them in parliament
• Before the voting in parliament, the Constitutional Court has to take preventive constitutional control by reviewing the draft amendments in relation to Articles 157 and 158: amendments cannot decrease or violate human rights, civil liberties, Ukrainian independence and/or territorial integrity of Ukraine; amendments must follow the procedure. Furthermore, the constitution cannot be amended in situation of the martial law or a state of emergency

Any feedback on this ?


I think that it's "nothing or all" for both the russian and ukranian regime

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Ukraine and Russia each receive over 200 prisoners of war in prisoner exchange



Rasmus Christiansen




In a prisoner exchange between Ukraine and Russia, a larger number of prisoners of war from each side have been released. Both the Russian and Ukrainian authorities confirm this.

According to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, Ukraine has received more than 200 prisoners of war captured by the Russians to date. It writes the news agency Reuters.

Meanwhile, the Russian defence ministry said it had received 248 prisoners of war who had been in Ukraine's custody so far, according to Reuters.

According to Russian authorities, the exchange comes after "complicated negotiations" in which the Arab Emirates acted as a mediator between Ukraine and Russia. It writes both Reuters and the Russian state-owned news media Tass.

Ukraine and Russia have exchanged prisoners of war several times during the nearly two years of the war.

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A looong and old piece on Donbas How ‘eastern Ukraine’ was lost | openDemocracy
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How ‘eastern Ukraine’ was lost

Nearly two years after the outbreak of fighting, nearly 9,000 people have died in eastern Ukraine. To understand how this war ends, we need to understand how it began. Русский

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Mariupol elections: will Donbas voters be represented in Ukrainian politics?


The Donbas is being airbrushed out of Ukrainian politics. This will only build another barrier to a united and democratic country. Русский






Vitalii Atanasov

26 November 2015


Mariupol elections: will Donbas voters be represented in Ukrainian politics? | openDemocracy


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A good read

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How to solve Ukraine's constitutional crisis - Blog - Transparency.org



Informative as how the things was/is "over there"

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From Lithuania:

Defeat, counteroffensive, negotiations? Ukraine war in 2024




Andrius Balčiūnas, LRT.lt2023.12.28 08:00






Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky / AP

With Ukraine’s counteroffensive stalling and Western support showing signs of exhaustion, will the war take a tragic turn in 2024 for Kyiv and Europe?
Volodymyr Zelensky, who travelled to Washington in early December, was unable to persuade the Republicans blocking the US aid package for Ukraine. Zelensky, titled last year as the leader of the free world, and Western leaders that promised to support Ukraine (“as long as it takes”) now look as small as ever, according to Politico.
Russian President Vladimir Putin, who last year skipped his annual telethon, where he answers curated questions from citizens, spent several hours on air this year, radiating confidence and praising the Russian army’s achievement. Putin promised to recruit half a million more “volunteers” next year and to really deliver on the objectives of his invasion of Ukraine.


Russian President Vladimir Putin / AP

War turns to politics
At the eleventh hour, and thanks to the ingenuity of German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, European Union leaders managed to send a message of hope to Ukraine by inviting Kyiv to start EU membership negotiations earlier this month. However, the 50-billion-euro aid package continues to be blocked by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban. Despite Joe Biden’s efforts to convince Congress, decisions in Washington on aid to Ukraine are also stalling.
“The problem with the Republican Party is that they don’t want Biden to succeed in Ukraine. They may want Ukraine to succeed, but Ukraine’s success would be Biden’s success. They cannot allow that,” Toms Rostoks, director of the Centre for Security and Strategy at the Latvian National Defence Academy, told LRT.lt. “That is why I am sure that the aid packages for Ukraine will be insufficient, they will provide enough to keep Ukraine in the game, but not enough to be able to go on the offensive next year.”
The publication Foreign Policy recently quoted its sources in the Republican Party saying that Zelensky’s December visit to Washington and his attempt to persuade US politicians to stop blocking aid to Ukraine was a complete misfire and that some Republicans felt cornered and became even more opposed to the aid package pushed by Democrats.
According to Foreign Policy, the Biden administration has repeatedly told Ukrainian officials to cut off contact with Congress, especially Republicans, and to refrain from political pressure; reportedly, Zelensky has been instructed not to meet with members of Congress on Zoom. The White House has also blocked other congressional leaders from contacting Ukrainian officials in Kyiv, although they are still visiting. Kyiv is frustrated with the political strife within Washington.


Volodymyr Zelensky and US President Joe Biden in Washington, DC / AP

“Our biggest vulnerability now is political-psychological. We need to put a lot of work and effort into overcoming the paralysis in the US, in the EU. The problems raised by countries like Hungary are about political tactics, diplomacy, a matter of negotiation. The problem is that we don’t have much time to play such political games,” Tomas Jermalavičius, head of studies at the Estonia-based International Centre for Defence and Security Studies (ICDS), told LRT.lt.
Warnings of “war fatigue” in the West are also growing louder. According to Rostoks, this could mean that Western politicians have concluded Ukraine is not losing the war and that it is therefore time to get political.
“When there is a real possibility of Ukraine’s defeat, important decisions will be taken again. This is very sad because the lives of Ukrainians are at stake,” the analyst said.
Problems on the battlefield
As Western military reserves are already running low, a Pentagon spokesman recently said the US will have to choose between continuing to help Ukraine and arming its own forces.
“Events of the last months are in Russia’s favour, and Moscow is simply gloating, with a great deal of confidence that it will be able to achieve its war aims,” said Rostoks of the Latvian National Defence Academy. “I don’t think there is any basis for that confidence, but although the Russian offensive has been stalling for a year and a half, they now believe they are on solid military footing, they have enough personnel, ammunition, and their war industry is working well. Therefore, they are quite confident about the year ahead.”
In Ukraine, political problems have also returned to the scene. There are major disagreements between President Zelensky and Valery Zaluzhny, the commander of Ukraine’s armed forces; Kyiv recently banned former President Petro Poroshenko from travelling abroad; and corruption scandals are surfacing, as well as discontent over the leaky mobilisation procedure.


War in Ukraine / AP

The problem of replenishing the ranks of Ukrainian troops is also down to many people no longer thinking of war as an existential issue, as they did in the immediate wake of the February 2022 Russian invasion, according to a spokesperson for the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence.
“We have heard about the country’s courage and ingenuity, but millions of men fit for military service are not doing it, and there is corruption in the country,” according to Rostoks. “However, I have hope that Ukrainians can still not only stay in the war but also win it, achieve political victory.”
To do this, Ukraine also needs to strengthen its military industry – Zaluzhny pointed out in an interview with The Economist that the country could itself produce most of the weapons it now receives from the West. To do this, however, it would need Western financial support and investment. Another major challenge is training Ukrainian staff officers to plan and synchronise large-scale manoeuvre operations, for which Western assistance is also essential, stressed Jermalavičius of the ICDS in Estonia.
What to expect in 2024?
Even before the Ukrainian counter-offensive, some observers had been saying that should it stall or fail, that wouldn’t warrant the West cutting off its support. On the contrary, it would be an opportunity to learn from mistakes and prepare for the next phase of the war.
Retired US General Ben Hodges has long argued that taking Crimea would be crucial for Kyiv’s breakthrough. Ukraine will never be safe without taking back the peninsula, he has insisted. Ukrainian forces have already succeeded in forcing Russia to withdraw its Black Fleet headquarters from Sevastopol and its warships from their base in Crimea to smaller bases on the Russian Black Sea coast.


Crimea / AP

Hudson Institute experts Luke Coffey and Peter Rough, writing in Foreign Policy, suggest that the West should help the Ukrainian forces to take Crimea, first by supplying weapons that would allow Ukraine to strike the Kerch bridge, other Russian logistics hubs, air and naval facilities and isolate the peninsula. At the same time, Ukraine must strike targets inside the Russian Federation to prevent Russian forces from regrouping and launching new attacks. Washington has prevented Kyiv from using American-supplied weapons for such attacks but could help the Ukrainians build up their own capabilities for such strikes.
General Zaluzhny admitted in an interview with The Economist that neither the Ukrainian nor the Russian forces are able to achieve dominance and breakthroughs, which has led to a positional war. The Russian forces are trying to pretend that they have stopped the Ukrainian counter-offensive and are carrying out their own offensive operations.
“I don’t think Russia has the forces and the capacity to even achieve tactical breakthroughs, to develop them into operational successes. They also lack equipment, manpower, and so on. [...] We will probably see such hotspots of greater or lesser intensity throughout the winter, somewhere Russia achieving some success, occupying a dozen square kilometres, and elsewhere the Ukrainians,” said Jermalavičius.
If Western support for Ukraine grows next year, and the training of Ukrainian troops in Western countries accelerates, the Ukrainians may go on the counter-offensive.


War in Ukraine / AP

In mid-December, The New York Times reported that US and Ukrainian military commanders were already looking for a new strategy for the war, although their visions differed. The US proposes that Ukraine should focus on defence and maintaining its current positions, as well as on building up its forces and weapons stockpiles over the year, forcing Russia to consider negotiations with Kyiv in 2025. Meanwhile, the Ukrainians want to switch to a ground offensive or long-range strikes.
But Rostoks is sceptical: “Barring miracles, I don’t think we will see a Ukrainian counter-offensive next year. Of course, something unexpected could happen.”
If not, Ukraine may be forced to negotiate. Kyiv’s predicament has drawn comparisons with the second phase of the Winter War between Finland and the USSR when Finland was forced to make territorial concessions but kept its independence.
“The short-term challenges need to be resolved first, and for Ukraine, it is important to maintain political and social cohesion, not to succumb to dark thoughts that everything is falling apart. [...] It is also important not to be torn apart internally,” said Jermalavičius.


War in Ukraine / AP

Rostoks believes that Ukraine’s best chance to win the war is not to crush Russia on the battlefield, but to build a strong defence that can absorb Russian attacks and make Moscow realise that continuing the war is futile.
“Russia continues to feel that it has to go on the offensive, but if Ukraine has the opportunity to inflict significant losses on Russia, this should eventually translate into some political dynamics within Russia itself,” the military expert said.
The next target?
Some Western politicians and observers have started warning that once the war in Ukraine is over, Russia could rebuild its military capabilities within a decade or even quicker and start threatening NATO. President Putin has publicly insisted that he does not intend to go to war against the alliance, but at the same time, he has said he takes issue with Finland’s NATO membership.
“A year ago, we thought that the West’s economic power would definitely translate into military power, the only question was how quickly. The answer seems to be not soon enough. Eventually, we will get there,” said Rostoks.
While the European Commission is only now promising to make recommendations on how to strengthen Europe’s military industry, the continent’s arms manufacturers are still waiting for assurances that their products would have a market, should they decide to ramp up production.
NATO is also rushing to increase deterrence on the Eastern Flank. Canada has promised to deploy a heavy armed brigade in Latvia, as Germany has in Lithuania, but Ottawa is not increasing its defence spending and German media report that the “Lithuanian Brigade” is facing challenges due to shortages of weapons.


NATO flags / D. Umbrasas / LRT

“The indecision of our Western partners is tiresome. Sometimes it seems that they do not feel any urgency,” said Rostoks.
After the Cold War, Europe’s military industry did not receive enough orders, resulting in plant closures, loss of expertise, supply chains and technology. “What has come out is a boutique industry, so to speak, which is totally inadequate to prepare for a real war,” said Jermalavičius.
There is talk that Putin may announce a new wave of mobilisation after the presidential election in March, although during his telethon the Russian leader only spoke of mobilising half a million “volunteers”.
“The reconstitution of the ground forces will start from the moment when the active hostilities in Ukraine end. Now Ukraine is winning us time, but not peace. Obviously, they are not going to deliver peace on a platter. Russia and its regime are likely to survive, so their intentions and political will to rebuild their forces must be taken seriously,” stressed Jermalavičius.
NATO must therefore increase its deterrence more quickly so that the Kremlin does not see a window of opportunity to attack the Baltic states, he insisted. For now, Lithuania has a target of building a fully-manned military division by 2035, but this is several years too late, according to Jermalavičius.


Russian soldiers in Ukraine as shown in a photo released by the Russian Defence Ministry / AP

“The current decisions expose us to more risks than we should take on,” he stressed.
No one knows the Kremlin’s intentions for the Baltic states. The large-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 also came as a surprise to many, with Moscow convinced that it would be able to take Kyiv within days.
“In the end, I think NATO’s deterrence in the Baltic region will hold. It all depends on the end of this war and the thinking in the Kremlin. If Russia wins this war, they may feel emboldened, they already have far-reaching plans and they may want to go beyond Ukraine, they may feel that their window of opportunity is closing,” said Rostoks.
“On the other hand, I have yet to meet anyone who can explain to me how, after the difficulties in Ukraine, Russia could think that trying to do it again would be a good idea,” he added.

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Mainly Ukraine but snippets of Gaza.

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Merry Russian Orthodox X-Mass, BSnub

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Military briefing: Russia has the upper hand in electronic warfare with Ukraine

for those without sub

Military briefing: Russia has the upper hand in electronic warfare with Ukraine (FT)

Russia’s record number of aerial attacks on Ukraine over the New Year period has highlighted Kyiv’s struggle to bolster its electronic warfare technology aimed at jamming and diverting enemy drones and guided missiles.
Both sides have invested heavily in systems that can neutralise each other’s drone armies, but Moscow maintains the upper hand as it had already focused on these capabilities before launching its full-scale invasion of Ukraine nearly two years ago.
“The Russians have been producing so many lately that it’s becoming a huge threat,” said Col Ivan Pavlenko, chief of EW and cyber warfare at Ukraine’s general staff. “What’s happening here, the massive use of drones, is new . . . So EW becomes increasingly important.”
Russia has increasingly deployed EW to push off-course Ukraine’s western-supplied, precision-guided munitions, such as Himars rockets and Excalibur artillery shells. Moscow has also used its EW capabilities to mimic missile and drone launches in order to confuse Ukraine’s air defences and identify their locations, Pavlenko said.
Without EW protection, Ukrainian troops are easy prey for drone-guided artillery strikes, drones dropping bombs and kamikaze strikes by exploding unmanned aerial vehicles.
One Ukrainian soldier bemoaned the lack of EW protection for his unit, which was largely wiped out during weeks of intense bombardment on the eastern front, with Russian drones “hitting us like mosquitoes”.
“What radio-electronic warfare? . . . We had none. I don’t even want to recall those days in the trenches. Our boys were falling like flies,” he added.
“Electronic warfare is an exceedingly important part of modern operations, and the Russians have had a significant advantage in it throughout the war, which has proved a sustained problem for Ukraine,” said Jack Watling, RUSI.
“The problem is that the Russians are able to field electronic warfare systems across most of the front, down to platoon level in some cases when you’re talking about things like Pole-21,” Watling said.

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So..

American journalist Gonzalo Lira died in his ukranian prison.

I'm sure there will be severe sanctions from the US administration now.


Nah.

I'm naive but not that naive

[david44]

Gonzalo Lira

A complex personaity who will not be forgotton.
Why he was refused asylum escape into Magyarorszag is moot.

[bsnub]

American journalist Gonzalo Lira died in his ukranian prison.

He was no "journalist" you propaganda spewing fool. He was a ruzzian asset like yourself. He was a life loser who gave the ruzzian geo-data inside Ukraine so that they could bomb civilian targets, and was a paid shill for your ruzzian puppet masters. Your profound stupidity never ceases to amaze, but then again, he was probably a buddy of yours...