Ukraine war mega thread

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LONG RANGE PUNCH: Gains along T-04-08 HWY axis have permitted UKR forces to deploy artillery within range of Tokmak. Precision strike believed to have interdicted Russian command center in occupied Tokmak.

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R U, by any remote chance, South African?

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Amusing quick video. Better with volume on. That look on his face.

Ryan O'Leary
@IhateTrenches

A day late, but not a dollar short. Happy Independence Day Ukraine For those wondering: We got behind Russian frontline, killed everyone in it, and then waited for friendly units to push the frontline. Enemy Russian forces then ran towards us, thinking we were Russians. Instead, they found out why they should have fucking stayed home and out of Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/ihatetrenches/st...qIYXwHYhzwm_IA

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For crying out loud, WHO is bsub and why does he reply sooooo frequently here?

He is the forum tosser and bellend

Everyone here knows who I am.

Oh yes

Famed north american hole digger, without any sense or knowledge of history.

Idol of Pickel

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https://rumble.com/v3c06zw-summer-op...tary-summ.html

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He is the forum tosser and bellend

All over the world, irony meters are exploding.

Famed north american hole digger, without any sense or knowledge of history.

Once again, the irony is exploding. This dumbass drunk vatnik is fond of propaganda and revisionist history, is ok with ruzzia invading a democratic nation and comiting widespread genocide against civilians. What an epic level fuckwit who has been clowned time and time again in this thread.

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The first line has been breached and the advance will pick up pace from here on...

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Reports of 3 Ukraine pilots killed yesterday, they were part of the f-16 training program. Reported that one was well known pilot with callsign Juice.

^ Snubs is still as optimistic as ever. These 'useless conscripts' have put up a very professional resistance so far. Russia looks to be having problems with reinforcements at the moment though. Not sure if this is a short term shortage or if the defence line is beginning to buckle.

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These 'useless conscripts' have put up a very professional resistance so far.

That is not the case at all. When they are face to face with the Ukrainians they die and the videos of the dead and captured show a scruffy, poorly equipped foe. The obstacles are what are proving to be the real problem, not the men defending the lines. The reality is the Ukrainians have decided to prosecute this war their way and have gone against the recommendations of the US military who called for them to mass troops in one area and drive a wedge. The Ukrainians have decided not to do that on the scale recommended by the US. So this is leading to a slower advance than was hoped for, but the keyword is "advance" and that is what the Ukrainians are doing and will continue to do. The first line has been breached, and the second line is being assaulted as we speak. To call the ruzzians "professional" at this point is utterly laughable, especially from someone like yourself who served. They resemble nothing like a professional military like we have in the west.

Russia looks to be having problems with reinforcements at the moment though.

This is only going to get worse, not better. The units on the line currently are heavily attrited and largely reconstituted, they are all grossly under strength.

It is important to note that a lot has been going on that I have not posted about. Several special operations have been conducted, such as the maritime operation in Crimea and drone attacks in Moscow as well as an attack at the Kursk airport that destroyed several SU-30s, S-300s and more.

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UKR’S CARDBOARD KILLER: Last night's attack on Kursk air base was reportedly conducted by Australian designed “SYPAQ” drones. Spypaq UCAVs are practically invisible to RU air defenses. Strike variants can carry warheads of 3-5 kg at ranges up to 120 Km (~74 mi).

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Reports of 3 Ukraine pilots killed yesterday, they were part of the f-16 training program. Reported that one was well known pilot with callsign Juice.

Just a note on this. Juice was a hero and may have been the best pilot in Ukraine. He was a regular speaker on @mriyareport on Twitter and you can listen to him speak on @mriyareport on spotify.

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It was a major loss, especially since the pilots died in L-39s during a training op. As they had been pulled off the frontline awaiting F-16 training, as you mentioned.

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To call the ruzzians "professional" at this point is utterly laughable, especially from someone like yourself who served. They resemble nothing like a professional military like we have in the west.

I respect your opinion, but my view is that they used the time they were given wisely to build strong defences and defended them using textbook Russian tactics. They withdraw under pressure, allow the Ukraine brigades to advance and then counter them, knocking them back to almost their original starting positions. Ukraine has to fight for every inch of territory, something that wasn't expected by the West or indeed by you. The thought was that once the counteroffensive started, the Russians would flea their positions due to low morale. That hasn't happened, at least, not yet.

I sincerely hope that the Russian forces cannot sustain this continuous series of attacks, but at the same time, Ukraine has gone all-in with its forces and will need to continue attacking to keep up the pressure. Eventually, one side is going to break if this keeps up over the winter months.

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It was a major loss, especially since the pilots died in L-39s during a training op.

Ofcourse it's a loss, but a "major" one ?

How so ?

Eventually, one side is going to break if this keeps up over the winter months.

A prediction !!!!!!

You can define 'break' later

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So this is leading to a slower advance than was hoped for, but the keyword is "advance" and that is what the Ukrainians are doing and will continue to do.

I heard that they were advancing backwards in the Kupiansk area, but that could ofcourse be propaganda

They resemble nothing like a professional military like we have in the west.

When was the last time your "professional army" from the west, fought "white people" ?

Bombing Balkan isn't quite the trench warfare of Donbas

Hehe- Donbas actually rhymes with one of your nicknames

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The thought was that once the counteroffensive started, the Russians would flea their positions due to low morale. That hasn't happened, at least, not yet.

I never thought that because they have Chechens and other rear guard blocking elements that force retreating troops back to the front and if they refuse they are shot.

They withdraw under pressure, allow the Ukraine brigades to advance and then counter them, knocking them back to almost their original starting positions.

I am not sure where you are seeing this because I sure am not. It goes counter to what my sources are saying. No ruzzian counter-attacks in the south have been successful whatsoever. The Ukrainians have been consistantly taking territory over the last few weeks and are moving forward in the Tokmak direction.

I sincerely hope that the Russian forces cannot sustain this continuous series of attacks

They can't. They are all heavily attrited and mainly reconstituted, as I stated above.

Ukraine has gone all-in with its forces

This is incorrect, there are still several heavy brigades in reserve and at least one of those equipped with CV-90s was filmed in the rear training area just a few days ago. Ukraine has a plan for those brigades, apparently.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...85445287100906

When was the last time your "professional army" from the west, fought "white people" ?

You are utterly clueless, and I really can not be bothered holding your hand in these threads. If the US was in this war, it would have been over in a matter of a couple of weeks at the longest.

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ORIKHIV AXIS /2300 UTC 28 AUG/ UKR opens additional offensive operations N & S of H-08 HWY. Russian forces are forced to divert units to remain in contact at Robotyne, Verbove, Novofedorivka & on the T-04-01 HWY axis N of Polohy.

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Robotyne is less than half way to Tokmak and about 15% of the distance to Melitopol. Do you think they will achieve their goal of reaching the coast before winter Snubs? I'm not sure they will even reach Tokmak by then. Time is running out before autumn and winter set in and the chance for Russia to reinforce positions. Do you think the fighting will continue throughout or will they be forced to take a break due to weather conditions?

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Do you think the fighting will continue throughout or will they be forced to take a break due to weather conditions?

There is a condition that happens in autumn and in spring. Much of the country gets so muddy that passing is next to impossible except on reenforced streets. It is so widespread that it got a name, they call it rasputitsa. Since equipment and people can only use the main roads they are easily targeted by artillery.

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Robotyne is less than half way to Tokmak

It is also the high ground and the Ukrainians can see Tokmak in the distance in the low open plains. There are already reports that the Ukrainians are down behind Verbove. If they do that, they could be looking to roll up the ruzzians in Novopokrovka.

Do you think they will achieve their goal of reaching the coast before winter Snubs?

I do not know, but I will remain optimistic, as at some point the ruzzians will reach culmination.

Time is running out before autumn and winter set in and the chance for Russia to reinforce positions.

Watch the video I posted of Professor Michael Clarke, he makes a some key points, one of them being that the ruzzians have no operational reserves whereas the Ukrainians do.

Do you think the fighting will continue throughout or will they be forced to take a break due to weather conditions?

When the mud comes in the autumn, I think the fighting will stop until the ground freezes over and then fighting will restart.

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^ I watch Prof Clarke's reports within a couple of hours of their release. Yes, he mentions that Russia has currently no operational reserves and has to shuffle its defences around. He doesn't say anything about Ukraine having a reserve, however, in an earlier report either he or someone MOD mentioned Ukraine had gone all-in.

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I would think the goal is the get within artillery range of the russian eastern logistics route and dig in

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Professor Clarke again, giving an overview of the current areas of conflict.



Ukraine losses should get a mention to provide a little more balance:

'Dying by the dozens every day' - Ukraine losses climb

There has been a dramatic rise in Ukraine's number of dead, according to new estimates by unnamed US officials. The BBC's Quentin Sommerville has been on the front line in the east, where the grim task of counting the dead has become a daily reality.

The unknown soldiers lie piled high in a small brick mortuary, not very far from the front line in Donetsk, where 26-year-old Margo says she speaks to the dead. "It may sound weird… but I'm the one who wants to apologise for their deaths. I want to thank them somehow. It's as if they can hear, but they can't respond." At her cluttered desk outside the mortuary's heavy door, she sits, pen in hand. It is her job to record the particulars of the fallen.

Ukraine gives no official toll of its war dead - the Ukrainian armed forces have reiterated that their war casualty numbers are a state secret - but Margo knows the losses are huge.

The figures remain classified. But US officials, quoted by the New York Times, recently put the number at 70,000 dead and as many as 120,000 injured. It is a staggering figure, from an armed forces estimated at only half a million strong. The UN has recorded 9,177 civilian deaths to date.

On Margo's inside right arm is a small tattoo of a mother and child, with the birthdate of her son recorded. Her manicured nails are painted in Ukrainian colours. She wears a black T-shirt with the words "I'M UKRAINIAN" on the front. "The hardest is when you see a dead young guy who hasn't even reached 20, 22 years old. And realising they didn't die their own death," she says. "They were killed. They were killed for their own land. That's the most painful. You cannot get used to this. It's now getting to the point where it's just about [helping] the boys reach home." The most difficult day of her life, she says, was when her common-law husband was brought into the mortuary on the day he died. Twenty-three-year-old Andrii was killed in battle on 29 December 2022. "He died while defending his motherland," she says. "But then, for the umpteenth time, I've convinced myself that I should be here, I should be helping the fallen."

The job has made her hard - like steel, she says. And no matter how painful it is to see the bodies being brought into the mortuary, she says she never cries in public. "I keep all of this inside me [until] the evening when I come home. No-one sees my tears." As recently as April, leaked estimates from the Pentagon put Ukrainian deaths at the much lower figure of 17,500. The alleged jump to more than 70,000 can be partly explained by the counter-offensive in the south. In its early days it was especially hard on Ukrainian infantry - "worse than Bakhmut" one brigade commander who is fighting there told me. The city in Donetsk fell to Russia in May in one of the bloodiest battles of the war so far.

Ukraine has now changed tactics there, but the beginning of the push to breach Russia's occupation defences in June was costly, for young newly trained soldiers in particular. They were dying "by the dozens" every day, one senior sergeant fighting around the Donetsk village of Velyka Novosilka told me in June. At the mortuary, one of a number along the front line, they work to put names to the unknown soldiers, who come direct from the battlefield.

Body bags are brought outside, one at a time, and the search for clues begins. Inside the first body bag is the corpse of a young man, his eyes still open, his hands folded carefully across his lap. His face is cut, and there is a gash on the side of his leg. Another body is brought out, the fingers missing on the right hand, blood and battlefield mud stain his uniform. Their pockets are cut open by mortuary staff, still full of the artefacts of everyday life - keys, a mobile phone, a wallet with family snaps. In death, these items are now clues that might reunite the unidentified with their families. Written in black marker pen on another body bag, the word "Unidentified" is scored out and replaced with a man's name and army company details. More body bags emerge, but reporting restrictions don't allow me to say how many.

A group of soldiers - commanders of various ranks - arrive in an army pick-up truck and pace outside the mortuary, smoking cigarettes. They inspect one body, to see if the soldier is from their platoon, company or battalion. It looks like he was killed in an artillery strike - part of his head is missing and the wounds to his body are severe, even worse when he is turned over. "This is difficult. Unpleasant. But it's needed, part of our job. We have to give the boys a proper send-off," says a deputy battalion commander who goes by the call sign "Avocat". More men from his unit will be brought to aid in the identification of the body, he says.

The reality of the scale of casualties is laid bare in Ukraine's cemeteries.

In the late afternoon sun around Krasnopilske cemetery in Dnipro, the heads of the sunflowers hang heavy - an honour-guard for the freshly dug graves that spread ever closer to the perimeter. At one such graveside, 31-year-old Oksana weeps alone. Pictures of her dead husband Pavlo gaze down on her. The bearded and brawny junior sergeant was a power-lifting champion and personal trainer. He was killed during Ukraine's previous counter-offensive, near the city of Izium in November when a missile from a Russian helicopter struck his convoy.

"He voluntarily went to defend our country," Oksana says. "He was a warrior at heart - freedom loving. He was the embodiment of our Ukrainian spirit." It took time to identify Pavlo's body - he, along with others in the car, was badly burnt. Eventually he was recognised by a tattoo. The yellow and blue of Ukrainian flags whip above each grave in the gentle breeze - there are hundreds of them. Each is a marker in the great tide of loss that sweeps daily across eastern and southern battlefields, filling cemeteries in towns and villages the length and breadth of Ukraine.


A year and a half into this war, few families here have been left untouched by grief. But still, there appears to be no slackening in the will to fight. If anything, the losses have, for now, galvanised the determination for victory. Oksana and Pavlo made a wartime pact that if he died, she would join the military. For the past two months she's been serving as part of an aerial surveillance drone unit, on the outskirts of Bakhmut. A week after we met in the cemetery, Oksana is in full body armour and heading to a forward position in search of a Russian anti-tank unit which is targeting Ukrainian forces. When we get there, the sound of artillery, almost entirely outgoing fire, is deafening. I ask her why she put herself in harm's way? It is her moral duty, she says, as she plays with the silver wedding ring on her right hand. She says: "I just need to continue what he started. So, all his efforts were not in vain. Volunteering and donations are all good, but I want to be a part of it, a part of our victory in the future."


Ukrainian Deputy Defence Minister Hanna Maliar earlier released a statement warning that those who release casualty numbers would be liable to criminal prosecution.


"Why is this data secret?" she asked rhetorically. "Because during the active phase of the war, the enemy uses the number of dead and wounded to calculate our likely further actions… If the enemy has this information, they will begin to understand some of our next steps."




The toll of the war hangs heavy on the men of the 68th Jaeger Brigade, who are fighting to stop Russian advances on the eastern front, near the town of Kupiansk.


In 35C-plus temperatures, we sought some shelter under camouflage netting, away from the midday heat and the ever-present danger of Russian drones. A deputy battalion commander who goes by the call-sign "Lermontov" was in a reflective and dark mood. Over freshly brewed coffee, he predicted a long war.




The Russians won't stop, he said, "you can't negotiate with them". The West doesn't understand this. Young soldiers who expected to be home in a year realise now, he said, they will be gone longer.

'''Dying by the dozens every day''' - Ukraine losses climb - BBC News


Ukraine has a long and hard number of years in front of them before this war is finished and there will be huge losses on both sides.

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You are utterly clueless, and I really can not be bothered holding your hand in these threads.

Says the History Buff himself !

Don't you ever get tired of humiliating yourself with your bombastic shit posting ?

If the US was in this war, it would have been over in a matter of a couple of weeks at the longest.

That's a big if on so many counts.

And:

Have you ever seen the american cowards go to war without air superiourity ?

Robotyne is less than half way to Tokmak and about 15% of the distance to Melitopol.

What's your reference point ?

When the mud comes in the autumn, I think the fighting will stop until the ground freezes over and then fighting will restart.

Another winter offensive prediction ?

From the usual sources (from "the other side" maybe )?

Told you last year and gladly does it again: You can't count on frozen ground down south.

(I'm sure that the Rocket Man will post some weather forecast/ statistics, that says I'm wrong )


But do predict away, Hottie

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I do not know, but I will remain optimistic, as at some point the ruzzians will reach culmination.

Yeah OK

Sound just about sane to me.

Keep it up