Ukraine war mega thread

[Backspin]

Pretty sure this is the same one as in your vid.

It is a war. Do you think Nato gear is invincible in real war? It isn't. Its not even invincible in medium intensity conflict.

Why are Saudi Arabia’s M1 Abrams tanks being knocked out so easily in the Yemeni War? How many have they lost, and are there any tactical methods they are using now to reduce the losses? - Quora

[Backspin]

Nato entry into Ukraine is a subject worth touching on.

Saudi M1 Abrams got obliterated in Yemen. Turkish Lepards got obliterated in Syria. And those were both low to medium intensity conflicts with just Iran backing the ground forces with arms and technical help. Russia nor China are backing the Houthis. They both have good relations with Saud.

Now lets bring Lepards and M1 Abrams into Ukraine, in a maximum intensity war, with Russia and China backing the opposition ground forces with arms and technical help. This is the equivalent to what Russia is facing in Ukraine. Nato and the USA are the backers of the Kiev junta military.

[Norton]

Do you think Nato gear is invincible in real war? It isn't. Its not even invincible in medium intensity conflict.

Nothing is invincible but if a tank is used by folks knowlegable in tank warfare you won't see many destroyed.

[Norton]

Saudi M1 Abrams got obliterated in Yemen

NATO is not Saudi Arabia. Plenty of instances where Saudi tanks are destroyed because of misuse by Saudi tank tactics.

[pickel]

It is a war. Do you think Nato gear is invincible in real war? It isn't. Its not even invincible in medium intensity conflict.

I didn't say anything like that though.

To quote a Ukrainian soldier at the start of the war:

"We are very lucky that they are so fucking stupid."

[Buckaroo Banzai]

NATO is not Saudi Arabia. Plenty of instances where Saudi tanks are destroyed because of misuse by Saudi tank tactics.

So we finaly agreed that this is a by proxy NATO war.

[panama hat]

So we finaly agreed that this is a by proxy NATO war.

Are you delving into Backspit's level of logic now?

[baldrick]

So we finaly agreed that this is a by proxy NATO war.

Australia is not NATO and we have sent a lot of Bushmasters

[bsnub]

"We are very lucky that they are so fucking stupid."

They do not learn, either. They just do the same utterly stupid shit over and over again. A big part of the reason they got utterly smashed in Vuhledar over the last several days. They repeatedly drove their tanks into minefields and got shelled into oblivion by the Ukrainians.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

Are you delving into Backspit's level of logic now?

Dont know anything about other people's logic, only my own.
You can't have it both ways,
It seems to have been implied that the use of the tanks in the Ukraine will be different from elsewhere because of the NATO involvement there.

[bsnub]

It seems to have been implied that the use of the tanks in the Ukraine

The attempt to compare what happened with those tanks in some far off battlefield, being used by another country with military forces of dubious quality, is absurd. Only a fool like skiddy would attempt to make a comparison like that.

because of the NATO involvement there.

NATO is not in Ukraine, if it was this war would be over already.

[Norton]

So we finaly agreed that this is a by proxy NATO war.

To the extent NATO(and non NATO) equipment and training is involved but the "war" is between Unkraine and Russian forces both of which use equipment from other countries.

[sabang]

Now for the bad news. The Biden Administration and our European allies either are preparing for a major military action in the Ukraine war or they know something bad is going to happen soon, probably in Belarus, because warnings were just issued for foreign citizens to bug out of Belarus and Russia:

The French Foreign Ministry urged its citizens to leave Belarus without delay.
Canada urges its citizens to leave Belarus immediately because of the risk of arbitrary application of local laws and hostilities in Ukraine — Canadian Foreign Ministry.

The U.S. on Monday issued a top-level advisory telling American citizens to leave Russia immediately and cease travel to the country as Russia’s war against neighboring Ukraine continues, citing risks of harassment and wrongful detention for Americans specifically.

“Do not travel to Russia due to the unpredictable consequences of the unprovoked full-scale invasion of Ukraine by Russian military forces, the potential for harassment and the singling out of U.S. citizens for detention by Russian government security officials, the arbitrary enforcement of local law, limited flights into and out of Russia, the Embassy’s limited ability to assist U.S. citizens in Russia, and the possibility of terrorism,” reads the alert.

I do not believe in coincidence. This is a coordinated action and signals the situation in Russia and Belarus is going to turn dangerous in the near future. Maybe it has something to do with the United States training Islamic radicals to carry out terrorist attacks in Russia and Belarus:

Russia‘s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) has claimed it received inputs that the United States (US) is grooming Islamic terrorists to attack targets in Russia and the former Soviet Union, Reuters reported.

It further alleged that the US recruited as many as 60 militants from outfits affiliated with the Islamic State and al Qaeda and is training them at its military base in Syria.

https://www.newsbytesapp.com/news/wo...-service/story

When you have the United States under the control of a feeble Joe Biden, who authorized blowing up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, you must entertain the possibility he will do something just as bad or worse. Stay frosty.

FULL- https://sonar21.com/sy-hersh-speaks-...ar-in-ukraine/

[Troy]

Nato entry into Ukraine is a subject worth touching on.

Saudi M1 Abrams got obliterated in Yemen. Turkish Lepards got obliterated in Syria. And those were both low to medium intensity conflicts with just Iran backing the ground forces with arms and technical help. Russia nor China are backing the Houthis. They both have good relations with Saud.

Now lets bring Lepards and M1 Abrams into Ukraine, in a maximum intensity war, with Russia and China backing the opposition ground forces with arms and technical help. This is the equivalent to what Russia is facing in Ukraine. Nato and the USA are the backers of the Kiev junta military.

I suggest you read up on how the Turkish lost their Leopard 2 tanks. Total incompetence under fire, leaving their tanks and running for cover. I doubt you will see the same from the Ukraine army.

You may want to look up the word junta as well. It hardly applies to the Ukraine government.

Having said this, I don't know which version of the Leopard 2 is being sent by each country. The ealier versions are lightly armoured, built more for speed in a counter attack.

[bsnub]

When you have the United States under the control of a feeble Joe Biden, who authorized blowing up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, you must entertain the possibility he will do something just as bad or worse. Stay frosty.

Stop posting lies. Remember this guy...



He is not your friend.

[panama hat]

You can't have it both ways,

Ok . . . so, this is a Proxy Russian/Russian war because Ukraine has many Russian weapons.

Proof. Russia is fighting itself.

[misskit]

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, February 13, 2023


Moscow continues to leverage its relationship with Iran to provide military support for the war in Ukraine. The Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) intercepted audio on February 10 reportedly of two Shahed drone operators coordinating targets in what the GUR claimed was a "Kurdish dialect interspersed with Farsi words." ISW cannot identify the dialect in the audio intercept with high confidence, but the fact that the individuals in the audio clip are Shahed operators indicates that they may be operators from Iranian Kurdistan who are likely affiliated with the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). It is far less likely that Russia has been able to identify or import individual Kurdish militants with experience operating drones to conduct Shahed strikes on Ukraine. ISW has previously reported that IRGC-affiliated elements are likely supporting Russia’s use Shahed drones by acting as operators and trainers, and the operators in the GUR intercept are likely part of the same line of effort. UK outlet The Guardian relatedly reported on February 13 that Iran has smuggled at least 18 long-range drones to Russia using boats and Iranian state-owned aircraft. The Guardian found that these shipments include six Mohajer-6 drones and 12 Shahed-121 and 129 drones, which have air-to-ground strike capabilities and are designed to deliver a payload to the target and return to base, unlike the Shahed-131 and 136 loitering munition-type drones that Russian forces have widely used in Ukraine thus far. Russian milbloggers noted on February 13 that IRGC-affiliated Il-76 cargo aircraft routinely fly to Russia, suggesting that Tehran consistently provides Moscow with a variety of material using IRGC-affiliated planes. These data points, taken in tandem, suggest that Russia continues to rely on Iran for military and technological support in Ukraine and that some Iranian personnel are likely in Ukraine directly supporting Russian attacks on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure, as ISW has previously reported.

Institute for the Study of War

[sabang]

^ So now the Kagan's are playing the good old Iran card again! That will enhance their kosher credentials back in mother Israel.

[panama hat]

sabang's back on da Joos again

[baldrick]

Maybe it has something to do with the United States training Islamic radicals to carry out terrorist attacks in Russia and Belarus:

or something to do with Noland closing its border crossings which makes it hard to leave the pair of delinquent countries

or maybe you are right and balloons carrying hazardous rail cars are to be launched

[misskit]

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, February 14, 2023
Feb 14, 2023 - Press ISW


US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin signaled on February 14 that the Ukraine Defense Contact Group’s 54 member states will continue to support Ukraine in the long run. Austin stated that the Ukraine Defense Contact Group (a coalition of 54 states supporting Ukraine’s defense) will “support Ukraine's fight for freedom over the long haul” and will support Ukraine during a spring counteroffensive. The Washington Post reported on February 13 that the Biden administration will announce a new aid package for Ukraine “in the next week.”

Institute for the Study of War

[bsnub]

sabang's back on da Joos again

Is it a surprise?

[sabang]

In January, Zelensky blamed Russia for the helicopter crash in Brovary, because of which the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine was killed:

“War is not only on the battlefield, war has several directions. There are no more accidents. All this is the result of war. All these steps, everything that happens, missiles that hit our people, on the civilians, deaths of children…”

In response, the President of Ukraine received the following appeal from a Ukrainian woman:

“Tell me please, how can you constantly blame everyone, but not yourself? Never yourself! Everyone is always to blame, not you! What are you sitting there for? Why did you run for president of our country? To destroy our nation? Right now, that’s what it looks like!

For you, everyone else is to blame for everything. You collect all the scrap metal from all over the European Union! You make young guys who have newborn babies and pregnant wives go to the front. You changed the law, so now even sixteen year olds are conscripted, and seventeen year olds go to the hot spots. You’re even the official sponsor of fucking British scientists who dissect our guys for organs.

You bastard, your wife walks around in a 40 thousand euro raincoat, and this wasn’t even a New Year’s gift! She lies that she knows the prices in her country and claims that mackerel costs 8 hryvnia… Have some conscience, Zelensky! Haven’t you ruined everything? Are you not afraid that your children will pay for your sins?


Take all these fuckers that you sponsored, all these Banderites… and just fuck off to Britain! People are tired of you, tired of your regime, tired of your lies, do you understand or not? You lie all the time, you brute! You’ve never told the truth! Go out now to Khreshchatyk and prove that you are in Ukraine!

Turn on the live broadcast on all social networks, kneel down, you faggot, and ask forgiveness from every mother from whom you took a son! Because you are not going to negotiate with Russia, because you are not sitting down at the negotiating table with Putin, because you are fighting until the last Ukrainian and because you are still bombing Donbass! You stinking faggot!!!”

'Kneel Down And Ask Forgiveness': Angry Ukrainians Appeal To ZelenskySouth Front


Bit unfortunate, that mysterious helicopter crash that killed three of Ukraine's most senior security officials. No explanation required.

Not heard much since about those mass resignations/ sackings of Provincial Governors, the Dep't Minister of Defence, and so on. For corruption. It is heartening to see that our taxpayers money is in such good hands, and being held so accountable.

The incorruptible Zelensky regime is worth at least another trillion dollars of our taxpayers money, before we concede one single inch of Ukraine's pre-Maidan former territory- that strongly wishes to be part of Russia again. Onward brothers, into the Breach! Your weapons are being paid for by foreigners!

[HermantheGerman]

That bitch needs to be deputinized

[sabang]

That's a wish list Hermano, not a foreign policy.