Ukraine war mega thread

[sabang]

Do you actually believe 97% of the Russian Army are in Ukraine snubski? Just shows what a sad joke my country of birth has become, when the Defence Minister comes out with such patently obvious bullshit.

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Just shows what a sad joke my country of birth has become, when the Defence Minister comes out with such patently obvious bullshit.

You just keep insisting on making a fool of yourself. You said the same thing about western intelligence when they were warning that Putin was going to invade. The Russian army has been bleeding like a stuck pig for months. If there was no shortage of manpower, they would never of had the mobilization.

[sabang]

Getting all bitter now you realise that Ukraine is losing this war recruit snubski, and that your 'Thunder runs', 'Turkey shoots', and my 'pending humiliation' were all just figments of your febrile imagination? A'www diddums, have some more:-


Just a moment...


Hold Out, Bleed Dry, Hope for the Best

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Getting all bitter now you realise that Ukraine is losing this war recruit snubski

Except that they aren't no matter how long you hold your breath and stomp your feet.

hat your 'Thunder runs', 'Turkey shoots', and my 'pending humiliation' were all just figments of your febrile imagination?

Except that they aren't. You have a remarkably short memory and seem to conveniently forget that Russia has been getting its teeth kicked in for months.

A'www diddums, have some more:-

More complete crap.

[bsnub]

What is Putin thinking of today?

[misskit]

Putin’s Cronies: We Should Have Blown Up Biden in Kyiv

In recent days, pundits and experts on Russian state television discussed the anticipated visit of U.S. President Joe Biden to Poland, confidently asserting that he would never dare travel to war-torn Ukraine. The news that Biden spent Presidents Day in Kyiv, alongside Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, hit the Kremlin’s mouthpieces like a ton of bricks.


Visibly unsettled, 60 Minutes host Olga Skabeeva announced, “The White House has confirmed that Biden really is in the Ukrainian capital. He really came to the Ukrainian capital. Zelensky just published the pictures... There he is, Biden, in the flesh.” The program then played footage of the smiling American president walking alongside Zelensky and shaking hands with Ukrainian officials. The clip was set to dramatic music more suitable for a horror movie.

The reactions in the studio matched the sinister music. Military expert Evgeny Buzhinsky surmised, “Clearly, the West is headed towards an escalation... I think we should also cautiously start to walk down a path of escalation... The West has many vulnerabilities.” Buzhinsky floated his ideas for attacking Americans in retaliation for their alleged involvement in blowing up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, proposing that Russia attack American pipelines at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, the North Sea, and the Norwegian Sea.

Unimpressed, Skabeeva interrupted, “At the same time, Americans seemingly assume that we aren’t planning to respond to anything, since they’re sending even their Biden to Ukraine.” She questioned the wisdom of Russia going along with the trip and purportedly agreeing not to strike Kyiv during the presidential visit: “If we gave these security guarantees, then what for?” Buzhinsky replied, “Well, you know, perhaps we could have whacked Biden, but it would have been too much.” Skabeeva retorted, “So it’s too much to whack Biden, but it’s OK to threaten Putin and it’s also fine to blow up the Nord Stream? It’s not about aggression, it’s about the logic: where is it?”


Buzhinsky didn’t object to the idea of killing the American president, as long as his replacement was more in line with Russia’s interests. He wasn’t comfortable with the thought of Vice President Kamala Harris at the helm, claiming that, unlike Biden, Harris would be completely unrestrained in her response to Russia and would present an even worse option for the Kremlin. As opposed to Skabeeva’s suggestion of assassinating Biden, he regretted that the U.S. president wasn’t at least terrorized during his trip. Buzhinsky daydreamed that if Biden traveled to Ukraine by helicopter, he would have been escorted by Russian planes all the way to Kyiv, leaving him with an indelible impression.


Irritated, Skabeeva pointed out, “Following your logic, if we’re not starting this confrontation because the replacement will be even worse, then why did we even start this at all? What if everything will only get worse?” She claimed that Biden is “promising to destroy and dismember the Russian Federation.” Buzhinsky stressed that the American president was not the first world leader to visit Kyiv, and Russia should have started by taking out former UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson: “If we wanted to do this, we should have started much sooner.”

Buzhinsky tried to temper Skabeeva’s expectations by noting, “You’re constantly going to extremes, proposing we start with maximum measures: ‘Let’s waste Biden.’ There are also fans of proposing nuclear strikes against Washington, erasing Paris and London from the face of the earth. I’m not in agreement with this.”


Pointing to the photograph of Biden hugging Zelensky, Skabeeva bitterly interrupted, “I think this is the photo of the year... both of them are crying and are endlessly happy to see each other! As far as me resorting to extremes, I’m not for extreme measures. What I’m saying is that Russia’s special operation in Ukraine has been going on for a year and is far from reaching its goals. There is a huge number of deaths. The United States of America and the entire so-called collective West are acting as though we’re incapable of some kind of a retaliatory strike. We keep demonstrating our peacefulness.”


Buzhinsky suggested that Russia should start its retaliatory actions against the United States by striking Elon Musk’s Starlink internet service, launching a series of cyberattacks, and pulling out of the grain deal by refusing to renew it, since it is on the verge of expiration.

Dmitriy Abzalov, president of the Center for Strategic Communications, grimly noted that Russia’s military humiliations were to blame for the current state of affairs: “A year went by. We’re paying for what happened last year during the fall... We’ve created this trampoline through our own mistakes... We’re anticipating that something will change, something will happen in the near future and it will be a very important factor. We are spending a lot on this, economically and politically... We should realize that there is a limited trust, because there already were attempts to change something. It’s very important that something starts happening. Otherwise, a long-term confrontation lasting more than a year is a totally different conflict.”


Pointing to a screen showing additional footage from Biden’s joint press conference with Zelensky, Skabeeva dryly noted, “This is the finest hour of the Ukrainian president.”


Political analyst Sergei Markov, who was reportedly a former advisor to Putin, was likewise unable to lighten up the mood. With a heavy sigh, Markov said, “I look at the sunny city of Kyiv... after junta usurped the power in 2014, I regret that we’ve been prohibited from visiting it. We hope that thanks to the Army of Russia, we’ll be able to come to our glorious city... to enjoy all the beauty that is currently being enjoyed by the leader of the occupation force, President of the United States Joe Biden... This is a huge victory for Biden. He largely cemented his own ability to run for another term in the next election.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...ine?ref=scroll

[39TG]

I don't see how you get to Ukraine losing this war sabang. If Ukraine loses, then I think the most belligerent western countries such as Australia should immediately bring in conscription. 100,000 Aussie soldiers would be helpful in Taiwan.

[bsnub]

I don't see how you get to Ukraine losing this war sabang.

He has his head deeply inserted up putins ass. He is a useful idiot that swallows every bit of horseshit propaganda he can get his hands on.

[sabang]

“THE UNITED STATES HAS NO RIGHT TO LECTURE CHINA”: BEIJING’S HARSH RESPONSE TO WASHINGTON’S PROVOCATION



Washington found another supplier of weapons for Russia. According to US Secretary of State Blinken, Beijing is already helping the Russian military with the supply of non-lethal military aid and, according to the information available to the Americans, it may begin to supply lethal weapons soon. According to the US official, China is “already one step away from the start of deliveries.”

US Vice President Harris made similar claims, adding that deliveries are “about to begin.” As usual, Washington did not specify the weapons in question.
In response to the accusations from Washington, China clearly replied that the United States has no right to lecture about possible arms supplies to Moscow.

This is Beijing’s first such harsh response to Washington amid the Ukrainian crisis, which clearly demonstrates China’s policy in response to the US bellicose provocations.

Washington’s revelations are once again aimed at publicly exerting diplomatic pressure on Beijing. And Beijing does not intend to tolerate this.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin responded to US statements:

“Weapons on the battlefield are continuously supplied by the United States, not China. The United States has no right to give orders and lectures to China, and we will also never accept instructions and even threats and pressure from the United States regarding Russian-Chinese relations,” the diplomat stressed.

Mr. Wenbin pointed out that China’s policy is aimed at a peaceful settlement of the conflict and facilitating negotiations. He called on the United States to rethink its policy, make more peaceful efforts to resolve the Ukrainian crisis and stop shifting responsibility for its bellicose actions.

“We will continue to promote peace and negotiations, bring Chinese wisdom to promote a political settlement of the crisis in Ukraine, as well as work with the international community to promote dialogue and consultations, resolve the concerns of all parties, achieve universal security” — Chinese Foreign Ministry Qin Gang earlier claimed

China also called on the West to stop making a fuss like “today is Ukraine, tomorrow is Taiwan.”

China recommended to the world community to clearly understand who is really calling for a peaceful way out of the aggravation of the Russian-Ukrainian conflict, and who is “adding fuel to the fire, actively encouraging confrontation”.

"The United States Has No Right To Lecture China": Beijing's Harsh Response To Washington's ProvocationSouth Front

[sabang]

It was. Don't believe me? Well I certainly haven't seen anything about this in MSM, but from the horses mouth:-

“We did notify the Russians that President Biden would be traveling to Kyiv. We did so some hours before his departurefor deconfliction purposes,” White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan told a press briefing.

Full Article:-

The historic visit of US President Joe Biden to Kiev which was expected to become an important campaign aimed to improve the Democrats’ position before the presidential election turned into another failure.

Before Biden’s trip to Kiev, the U.S. contacted Russia to rule out miscalculations that could lead to a confrontation between the two nuclear powers, Associated Press wrote on February 20.

While Ukrainian President prohibited any negotiations with Russia until Vladimir Putin is in power, Biden continues to impose conditions for any negotiations with Moscow, showing no willingness to establish any contacts between Russia and the West.

However, as soon as Biden’s own security is in question, he immediately talked to the Russians and even relied on them to assure his pleasant walk in Kiev.
There were no military action by the Russians directed against Kyiv on Monday, but Ukrainians traditionally turned on the sirens, as they always do to “welcome” foreign high-ranked tourists in order to create the necessary image for the MSM.

Biden’s visit to Kiev, which was actually pushed by Victoria Nuland, ended in a PR disaster. Nuland, the main official “responsible for Ukraine”, assured Biden that his trip to Ukraine would be a guaranteed media success, it would show the public a brave US President.

However, the leaked information about the agreement with the Russians ruined her plans. According to some reports, an “anonymous source” came from the office of Jake Sullivan. In his turn, Sullivan doesn’t have good relationship with Nuland and Blinken.

As a result, Sullivan became a scapegoat and was forced to whitewash his President. The White House hours into the trip confirmed that US and Russian officials had communicated just ahead of Biden’s trip in the form of an advanced warning that Biden would enter Ukraine.

“We did notify the Russians that President Biden would be traveling to Kyiv. We did so some hours before his departurefor deconfliction purposes,” White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan told a press briefing.

The US allegedly warned the Russians just a couple of hours before the visit. Sullivan didn’t disclose what the immediate Moscow response was to the notification. In fact, such an agreement was made days before in order to settle all security issues.

Biden during the visit delivered remarks alongside President Volodymyr Zelenskyy at Mariinsky Palace in Kyiv and announced new military aid worth $500 million, according to AP News. The new military aid includes anti-tank missiles, air surveillance radars, howitzers, shells, ammunition, and other support but no new advanced weaponry.

Amid the avalanche of lies, provocations, and uncoordinated attempts by the West to defeat Russia without getting their hands dirty, Washington and its puppets continue to assure the world that Russia has allegedly already lost the war, that its economy is ruined and strangled by sanctions. If so, what was Biden afraid of in the capital of his new colony “Ukraine”? If Washington is afraid of nuclear confrontation, how could Russia lose?

Biden's Visit To Kiev Was Coordinated With MoscowSouth Front

[bsnub]

More crap from your ruzzian propaganda site.

[bsnub]

Biden’s visit to kiev was coordinated with moscow

Complete horseshit from your propaganda site. It has no place in news.

US alerted Russia of Biden's surprise trip to Ukraine hours before he arrived, officials say

Hardly "coordinating" like sabangs BS propaganda claims. If anything, the US was just flaunting it in putins face.

[sabang]

Stop lying snubski.


White House gave Russia heads-up about Biden’s Ukraine visit for ‘deconfliction purposes’

BY BRETT SAMUELS - 02/20/23 8:32 AM ET

White House gave Russia heads-up about Biden's Ukraine visit

[misskit]

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[sabang]

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[sabang]

“A year ago, a decision was made to conduct a special military operation for the sake of protecting people in their historical lands. Step by step, we will solve the tasks.”

“Since 2014, Donbass fought and did not give up. Believed and waited for Russia to come to the rescue.”

“We did everything possible to solve the problem by peaceful means. We were patiently negotiating, but a completely different scenario was being prepared behind our backs.”

“The countries of the West were stalling for time, were engaged in chicanery, encouraged neo-Nazis to commit terrorist actions in Donbass. <…> We also remember the efforts of the Kiev regime to obtain nuclear weapons. The U.S. and NATO accelerated the deployment of military bases, secret biolaboratories, preparing enslaved Ukraine for a big war.”

“They gambled on people’s lives – they played the red cards. They also acted unscrupulously, destroying Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria. They got used to being allowed to do anything. They also treat people from other countries like their subjects.

“In today’s world there shouldn’t be a division into civilized countries and everyone else. We were open to dialogue with the West. But in response we received an inarticulate or hypocritical reaction.

“But there were also concrete measures – the deployment of NATO contingents around Russia’s borders. The U.S. has hundreds of bases around the world. <…> They unilaterally terminated the agreements that support world peace. In December 2021 we sent draft treaties on security guarantees and received, in fact, an outright rejection.”

“The threat was growing by the day. There was no doubt that by February everything was ready for a punitive bloody action in Donbass.”

“I want to emphasize – they were the ones who started the war, and we used force and will use force to stop it.”

“Those who planned the new attack on the Donbass clearly understood that the next target was a strike on Crimea and Sevastopol.”

“We are defending people’s lives, our own home. And the West has spent over $150 billion in pandering to the Kiev regime. And the poorest countries were allocated $60 billion for 2022. <…> At a recent conference in Munich, there were endless accusations against Russia. And they let the genie out of the bottle, plunging entire regions into chaos.

“In the 1930s, the West opened the way to Nazi power in Germany. And now they have started to make Ukraine an ‘anti-Russia,’ a project that goes back to the 19th century. With one goal to tear off the historical territories that are now called Ukraine from our country.”

“It is a shame – one of the Ukrainian brigades was given the name “Edelweiss”, like Hitler’s division. Ukrainian equipment bears Wehrmacht insignia. And in the West they don’t notice this. They don’t care who to bet on in the fight against Russia.”

“The anti-Russia project is part of the revanchist policy of creating hotbeds of conflict near our country’s borders.”

“We are not at war with the people of Ukraine, they have become hostages of their Western masters. For decades they have been destroying Ukrainian industry. Under such conditions it is easy to draw material for military operations. People have been turned into expendable supplies.”

“Responsibility lies entirely with the Western elites and the Kiev regime.

“The more long-range Western systems come in, the further we will be forced to push the threat away from our borders.”

“The goal of the West is to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia. To finish us off. That’s exactly how we understand it all. It’s about the existence of our country. But they cannot fail to understand that it is impossible to defeat Russia on the battlefield, so they launch information attacks. They are targeting the younger generation.

“Look at what they are doing in the West. Pedophilia is becoming the norm, priests are approving same-sex marriages.

“Adults have the right to live as they wish. No one invades privacy, and we’re not going to do that. But look at the books of the world’s religions – it says it all. Including that the family is the union of a man and a woman. But the sacred texts are also being questioned.”

“The elites are going mad, and there is, as they say, no cure.

“Our multinational people supported the special operation. Real patriotism was evident in this support.”

Putin thanks all the people of Russia for their courage and heroism.

“I’m sorry I won’t be able to thank everyone in this speech. Before the speech I wrote a long list of units, but in the end I removed it – I was afraid that I would insult those who are not mentioned.”

“Deepest gratitude to parents, wives, families, doctors, paramedics, railroad workers, construction workers, defense plant workers and engineers, rural toilers.”

“Special words to the residents of the DPR and LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, who determined their own future. <…> There is nothing stronger than your determination to be with Russia, with your homeland.”

“We have begun a program to develop new regions. This includes the revival of jobs, ports on the Sea of Azov, building roads, as we did in Crimea.”

“Our duty is to support the families who lost loved ones. The family of each participant in the special operation should be surrounded by care. I propose to create a special state fund, the task of which will be targeted support. It will coordinate the provision of support, help in education, sports, and employment. A separate task is high-tech prosthetics for those who need it. The work of the fund should be open.”

“Each family of the deceased, each veteran should have its own social worker – a coordinator. Already this year the structures of the Fund should be deployed in all regions of Russia.

“Today, military servicemen and volunteers bear the hardships together. The appeals that come to me and to governors show that not all issues are resolved. It is necessary to deal with each individual case”.

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Stop lying snubski.

Nobody is lying, you stupid fuck. There was no "coordination" you fool. The merely told them he was going. If anything it was basically saying try and come get some. Russia could not have done anything.

[Iceman123]

Nobody is lying, you stupid fuck. There was no "coordination" you fool. The merely told them he was going. If anything it was basically saying try and come get some. Russia could not have done anything.

If that’s true, why did he have to take a secretive ten hour train ride and not come in flying the flag on Air Force 1?

[sabang]

Ooooh, smell the Butthurt.

[misskit]

UPDATE 1-Wagner's Prigozhin accuses Russian top brass of 'treason'

MOSCOW, Feb 21 (Reuters) - Yevgeny Prigozhin, founder of the Wagner group, on Tuesday accused the Russian defence minister and the chief of the general staff of depriving his fighters of munitions and trying to destroy Wagner - actions he said were equivalent to treason.


A onetime catering entrepreneur who once shunned the public spotlight, Prigozhin has assumed an more public role since the start of the war in Ukraine a year ago, with his Wagner Group spearheading Russia's months-long battle for the town of Bakhmut in Ukraine's Donetsk region.


"There is simply direct opposition going on," Prigozhin said in a voice message posted on his Telegram channel. "This can be equated to high treason".


It is the second such message published by Prigozhin in two days. On Monday, he complained that unnamed officials were denying Wagner supplies out of personal animosity to him.


Apparently angry, and speaking at times with a raised voice, Prigozhin blamed Russia's Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and Valery Gerasimov, the country's most senior soldier, of deliberately causing the arms shortages, which he said were causing heightened losses among Wagner troops fighting around Bakhmut.


"The chief of the general staff and the defence minister are giving orders right and left not just not to give Wagner PMC ammunition, but not to help it with air transport," Prigozhin said.


Prigozhin has for months criticised senior commanders for what he has called their incompetence. Prigozhin has said that the defence ministry is trying to take credit for Wagner successes around the Donetsk region town of Bakhmut.


The defence ministry could not be immediately contacted for comment.

UPDATE 1-Wagner's Prigozhin accuses Russian top brass of 'treason'

[Iceman123]

I don't see how you get to Ukraine losing this war sabang. If Ukraine loses, then I think the most belligerent western countries such as Australia should immediately bring in conscription. 100,000 Aussie soldiers would be helpful in Taiwan.

I am failing to see the connection and logic in this post.

[sabang]

“They thought it would increase his authority in Europe. The international campaign, the elections - everything is fine, everything is fine. And what if the Russian army begins to attack and it advances through the territory of Ukraine? Then it will be clear to the whole world and to all voters in the United States that, despite this visit, they did not care about him - he could not do anything. Those for whom he vouched, whom he promised, whom he swore to protect, lose on the battlefield. He can't get more shame. There can be no greater damage to their position in the US and the world after this demonstration that "we are with you, we give you everything" - but they roll back, and the front collapses. But they do not take this into account, because they are playing all-in, for the whole round. They bet everything – hit or miss,” Kedmi said.

[Iceman123]

Truth is he feels a right c u n t right now.

Good to hear TD’s bellend has an insight into the mind of Putin, prefixed with “truth” so it must be fact.

Did Sleepy Joe even know where he was?

[sabang]

Funny how, a couple of days ago, the boneheads were lambasting Putin for travelling by train.

[harrybarracuda]

Funny how, a couple of days ago, the boneheads were lambasting Putin for travelling by train.

Yes, because he's fucking scared innit.