Ukraine war mega thread

[Hugh Cow]

23 Jan, 2023 14:34HomeRussia & FSU


Russia and West on verge of ‘real war’ – Lavrov

Moscow's adversaries have long aimed to destroy everything Russian, the FM has said

The current situation in Ukraine demonstrates that the conflict between Russia and the West can no longer be defined as a “hybrid war” but is instead approaching becoming a real one, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Monday.

Speaking at a press conference following a meeting with his South African counterpart, Naledi Pandor, Lavrov also noted that this “almost real” war was something that the West “has been preparing for a long time against Russia.” The minister claimed that Western powers are seeking to destroy everything Russian, from the language to the culture that had existed in Ukraine for centuries, even forbidding people from speaking their native language.

Lavrov went on to point out that such practices have become commonplace throughout Ukraine and that the country’s last two presidents, Pyotr Poroshenko and current leader Vladimir Zelensky, have both turned into “presidents of war” and “Russophobic leaders” after gaining power, despite running their presidential campaigns on the promise of establishing peace.

The minister also recalled that Ukraine has adopted laws that prohibit using the Russian language in education, media, and even in everyday life. “And this is all supported by the West,” Lavrov said, adding that this support extends to neo-Nazi marches with swastikas and symbols of banned Nazi divisions being held across the country.

Russia and West on verge of ‘real war’ – Lavrov — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

Chilling.

Just more propaganda from the Russian chief liar. This is obviously done to destabilise Ukrainian allies, especially the more reluctant such as Germany, again dragging its feet and now a leader shown wanting when the hard decisions need to be made. Their only credibility now is WMDs their military is minnow in capability compared to the USA and NATO, (although trusting Turkey in the alliance with Erdogan is a problem).
I doubt their propaganda will work on the Brits or the USA but the weaker partners it may. Poland has shown many european leaders the way and led with strength so kudos to them. Time will tell if the rest can hold their nerve.
I doubt in the higher ranks of the Russian military that its all the way with Putin and one would hope cooler miltary heads would prevail in respect to a nuclear conflict but the Russians do seem to have a similar mindset in some respects to pre war Nazi Germany with their Hitler clone. Regardless of the military outcome there appears to be only economic decline in the future for energy export dependent Russia, especially with an exodus of talent caused by the military call up and the loss of life of so many men in the economically productive part of their life.

[bsnub]

Your call. We'll see on Jan 25, 2024 won't we.

The words of an American Lt. General or yours? What would you take honestly? Winter beach party in Crimea? Are you in?

[sabang]

The words of the most senior serving military officer in the USA, or yours recruit snubski?

[bsnub]

The words of the most senior serving military officer in the USA, or yours recruit snubski?

Did you know that the Russian defeat in Kharkiv was its largest since 1941?

It was the Ukrainians that put that ass whipping on them.

[sabang]

Bigger even than Afghanistan? I doubt that. I'll not even bother guessing the biggest US military defeat since WW2.

[bsnub]

Bigger even than Afghanistan?

Oh, far bigger. Kharkiv was a defeat that occurred on the battlefield. In Afghanistan, there was no defeat on the battlefield. Apples to oranges and typical whataboutism from TD's useful idiot.

[sabang]

So what would you count as Amerka's biggest military defeat since WW2? Vietnam? Iraq? Afghanistan? Reckon it would be one of those three, although some would throw Korea in the mix too. Winning a battle is not winning a war.

[bsnub]

Go start a thread with your ridiculous whataboutism. This thread is about the Ukraine war. You don't seem keen to talk about that, could it be because Russia has been getting its teeth kicked in for months.



It is going to get a lot worse for Russia in the coming months.

[sabang]

Your childish obsession with war porn and individual battles is blinding you to the bigger picture- Ukraine is not winning this war. Aided by the fact that, like any intellectual infant, you are easily propagandised.

^ we have seen the outcome of your recent predictions, in your own words, recruit snubski. I prefer listening to adults like General Milley, than you.

[bsnub]

Ukraine is not winning this war.

Aided by the fact that, like any intellectual infant, you are easily propagandised.

Coming from a useful idiot like yourself, the irony is overwhelming.

[sabang]

Another snubski 'useful idiot'

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And another-




I could go on.

[pickel]

we have seen the outcome of your recent predictions, in your own words, recruit snubski. I prefer listening to adults like General Milley, than you.

Milley also predicted Kyiv would fall in 72 hrs if Russia invaded.

Gen. Milley says Kyiv could fall within 72 hours if Russia decides to invade Ukraine: sources | Fox News


Your condescending, elitist attitude is really becoming quite boring and tiresome, considering you post like a petulant child most of the time.

[sabang]

Your condescending, elitist attitude

An unfortunate consequence of the quality of my hecklers.

[bsnub]

An unfortunate consequence of the quality of my hecklers.

You are a buffoon, so you set a pretty low bar to surpass.

[sabang]

We recently had a "from the horses mouth' look at the buffoonery of your "confident predictions' recruit snubski. So what does a buffoon do, when caught red handed in his buffoonery- why try to call others a buffoon too, of course. They say misery loves company.

[bsnub]

when caught red handed in his buffoonery

You would know full well since you get caught almost daily posting flat out lies and distortions.

We recently had a "from the horses mouth' look at the buffoonery of your "confident predictions' recruit snubski.

What are you blathering on about now? I called Kherson right as well as Kharkiv. Last I checked, it is still winter and will be for another month. So, as usual, you are running off at the mouth.

[sabang]

Link only to the original source, which is from Metropol- and thus in Hungarian:-

https://archive.is/20230124101210/ht...any-szaz-meter


Sadly, I cannot provide you with a link to the NYT or Grauniad about this, I wonder why? Strangely, they seem to have missed the Scoop. So we'll just have to make do with a source that will report it:-



Metropol: on the Ukrainian-Hungarian border found a wagon with hundreds of bodies of dead soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine


1/25/2023

On the Ukrainian-Hungarian border, a wagon with hundreds of bodies of the dead military of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was found. This writes the Hungarian edition of Metropol.

According to the publication, the car is located a few hundred meters from the border of Ukraine with Hungary in the protected part of the railway junction.

The article says that the military died in some cases more than a month ago, but relatives still have not been able to bury them.

The publication notes that the military command and authorities of Ukraine consider the topic of burial a “serious political issue” and control how quickly relatives are informed about the death of the military, and also determine how many people can be buried per day.

The author suggests that the Ukrainian authorities are afraid of panic due to the fact that the death of the Ukrainian military is becoming more and more massive.

In addition, it is reported that Kyiv received special refrigerated wagons from Western countries a few months ago.

The Ukrainian side also has refrigerated trucks of its own production.

A previously mobilized Ukrainian soldier who was taken prisoner told RIA Novosti that he witnessed the death of an entire company of colleagues in Artyomovsk (Bakhmut).

Metropol: on the Ukrainian-Hungarian border found a wagon with hundreds of bodies of dead soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - Teller Report


Sad stuff, and pretty disrespectful to the families and loved ones of the casualties. Some piccies in the Hungarian Metropol link too.

[pickel]

Sadly, I cannot provide you with a link to the NYT or Grauniad about this, I wonder why?

Maybe they require evidence, unlike your bullshit artists. Did Intel Slava Z get the scoop on that one?

[sabang]

No, Metropol did- if you care to follow the Link, and look at the pretty pics. You can even do a Google translate on it, if you want.
Are you trying ta cast some childish aspersion that it is 'fake news', because it is not what you want to be spoonfed? FAIL.

[pickel]

No, Metropol did- if you care to follow the Link, and look at the pretty pics. You can even do a Google translate on it, if you want.
Are you trying ta cast some childish aspersion that it is 'fake news', because it is not what you want to be spoonfed? FAIL.

Take a deep breath and sit down, because you are about to get owned again.

This is the pic from your link:

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Note the Al Jazeera watermark on the pic.

And this is the video from your link:



It's where they got the pic from and is an Al Jazeera report about Ukrainians storing Russian bodies that were left behind when Russia retreated from Kyiv.

Any "intelligent reader" could see that.

Enjoy your butthurt, troll.

[bsnub]

No, Metropol did

You clown. It stopped publishing back in 2016.

Metropol publishes last issue

Metropol publishes last issue - BBJ

The link goes to the "tellerreport.com" a Russian propaganda news aggregator. You really are an epic level buffoon.

[bsnub]

Take a deep breath and sit down, because you are about to get owned again.

Time and time again. This fool keeps getting dunked on.

[misskit]

Putin Lackeys Lose Their Minds Over Ukraine Getting Battle Tanks

It didn’t take long for Russian officials to start foaming at the mouth and ranting about global conspiracies after Germany agreed to deliver its Leopard 2 battle tanks to Ukraine on Wednesday.


After weeks of resistance, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz announced that, along with allies, the country would provide 88 of the battle tanks to Ukraine, effectively giving Kyiv more firepower to launch new offensives. The Biden administration was also expected to announce a deal to send 30 M1 Abrams tanks to the country.


The Russian Embassy in Berlin was among the first out of the gate after the news broke—offering a bizarre, if not deranged, take: “Berlin’s decision signifies the unequivocal refusal of the Federal Republic of Germany to recognize historical responsibility to our people for the terrible, timeless crimes of Nazism,” Russian Ambassador Sergei Nechayev said in a statement.


The statement went on to say the tanks would also put an end to “postwar reconciliation between Russians and Germans” and “take the conflict to a new level of confrontation.”


Kremlin mouthpiece Margarita Simonyan, the editor-in-chief of RT, joined Russian diplomats in offering up far-fetched Nazi comparisons.


“After a flogging by Washington, Germany will send 14 tanks to Ukraine. Closer to summer, deliveries of gas chambers are also expected,” Simonyan tweeted.


TV propagandist Vladimir Solovyov called European leaders “Nazi scumbags” and argued that the delivery of Leopard tanks to Ukraine makes all of Germany a “legitimate” military target for Russia.


He claimed Germany has “forgotten its historical guilt” and must pay for it.


Sergei Aksyonov, the Kremlin’s man in charge in occupied Crimea—one of the territories Ukrainian authorities may use the tanks to take back—published what he said were the schematics of Germany’s Leopard 2A4 tank on Telegram.

“I am sure that everyone will be able to find more detailed information about the vulnerabilities of this… on their own, and the command will provide our fighters with everything necessary to destroy the descendants of the fascist ‘Tiger’ and ‘Panther’ [tanks used in WWII],” Aksyonov wrote.


Pro-Kremlin pundits unanimously bent themselves into knots (and broke their brains) trying to prove a global Nazi conspiracy.


“Tank conspiracy. 14 Challenger tanks will be supplied by Britain to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And it was also announced that Germany will supply the Armed Forces of Ukraine with 14 Leopard tanks. Is this some kind of secret number they have, 14? It turns out yes. 14 is a secret fascist number,” wrote political analyst Sergei Markov, noting that 14 “is the number of words” in two slogans used decades ago by the American neo-Nazi David Lane.


“Thus, the number of Challenger and Leopard tanks is a secret message from the governments of Britain and Germany: ‘We know that these tanks are for the Nazis,’” Markov said.


He did not explain how his “14” theory holds up in light of several other countries sending an entirely different number of tanks.


Is 30—the number of Abrams tanks reportedly to be supplied by the U.S.—also a “secret” fascist number? The Kremlin has yet to confirm, though Vladimir Putin’s spokesman on Wednesday blasted the purported deal for U.S. tanks as “absurd” and bound to fail.


“This is a really disastrous plan, and most importantly, this is a clear overestimation of the potential this will give to the armed forces of Ukraine,” spokesman Dmitry Peskov said, according to Russia’s Interfax news agency.


The Abrams tanks, he said, “will burn just like all the others.”


Despite Peskov’s bluster, some pro-Kremlin military bloggers appeared fully aware the tanks could give Ukrainian forces a new competitive edge on the battlefield.


“The ice has broken and NATO tanks are heading to Ukraine. It looks like all the arguments about who would be the first to send them led to everyone sending them all at once,” wrote one popular pro-war Telegram channel.

Other prominent figures appeared to suggest the decision to send tanks simply means the rest of the world isn’t frightened enough of Russia.


“Russia’s impotence in the field of foreign policy must be compensated for with military successes. Or the threat of military success. Or just a threat,” argued state TV host Sergei Mardan.


“Why not then arrange a random visit to Estonia of a Russian tank squadron, or a guided-missile cruiser in the Gulf of Riga? Or a random flight of Kalibr [cruise missiles] over all of Poland? Then we don’t even need to apologize, no one needs our apologies. We need local horror and an understanding that Russia is unavoidably nearby and stronger than ever.”

Putin Lackeys Lose Their Minds Over Ukraine Getting Battle Tanks

[sabang]

Erm, excuse me? The date of the article is 2023/01/22 Just follow the bloody Link (the date is not in Hungarian, d'uhh). The Link, again-

https://archive.is/20230124101210/ht...any-szaz-meter

So where did you get this nonsense from??

Metropol publishes last issue

Metropol publishes last issue - BBJ

The link goes to the "tellerreport.com" a Russian propaganda news aggregator. You really are an epic level buffoon.

The Teller Report article is provided separately, Copied and Linked- because it is in bluddy English! But go ahead, check out the original, Hungarian source too- if you are diligent, it is easy enough to Google translate, and it is only a few days old.

So you have made collective fools of yourself, again. Any comment on the matter of a few hundred bodies being kept in cold storage in railway vans near the Hungarian border. Would that impress you if you were a spouse, or a relative??

[pickel]

So you have made collective fools of yourself, again. Any comment on the matter of a few hundred bodies being kept in cold storage in railway vans near the Hungarian border. Would that impress you if you were a spouse, or a relative??

Skipped over my post did you?