Ukraine war mega thread

[sabang]

So if "Iraqi retards" (nice bit of racism there) drive the tanks, all of a sudden the armor falls off? Yeh right. Makes you wonder what the russki's can do then with the ukies driving them.

If you are so confident of your own equipment recruit chickenhawk, why are you badgering and begging other, much smaller militaries to deplete their limited tank stocks- while you are too chicken to supply any of your own "almighty" Abrams? Simple question.

[pickel]

Germany won't give permission because its do reliant on Russian energy.

Germany no longer gets oil or gas from Russia.

[bsnub]

So if "Iraqi retards" (nice bit of racism there)

Not racist at all and utterly laughable that you would be claiming anyone a racist with your long history of making racist comments about black people and aborigines.

Makes you wonder what the russki's can do then with the ukies driving them.

The Russians have lost more than half of their tanks in Ukraine already. It will only get worse for them you clown.

[panama hat]

I sense the Butthurt

Use a different mirror . . .

Germany won't give permission because its do reliant on Russian energy.

You're a bit behind the times, Chitty.

nice bit of racism there

Coming from you . . . . . . care to make more racist Aboriginal comments, Africans etc . . . You're a joke.

[sabang]

The Russians have lost more than half of their tanks in Ukraine already

You are so hilarious. Russia has the world's largest tank army, by far. Fact.

It will only get worse for them you clown.

How long ya been saying that. Latest Wunderwaffen, right?

[sabang]

The Ukrainian defense needs to fall back and reconsolidate. And the problem for Ukraine is that once you get beyond that first line of defense—there are many unconfirmed reports indicating that Russian forces have already breached through in some areas—you start heading into flatland. There are military realities on the ground in Ukraine that the political fantasists in Washington simply refuse to acknowledge.
The Russians are preparing for a breakout. It might be too late to stop it now, but the West should try its hand at actual diplomacy to be certain that opportunity is gone.
It was always mind-boggling to me that, after Ukraine pushed the initial Russian invasion back, no truce was tried. Even today, though, the Russians have put feelers out to the intransigent West and Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has indicated his willingness to broker a deal between the two warring parties before things get totally out-of-hand.



Despite what the hardliners in Kiev and Washington say about reclaiming Crimea and kicking the Russians completely out of Eastern Ukraine, this is a delusion—one that will get many innocent people killed and likely end in the total collapse of the proto-democratic Ukraine state based out of Kiev.
So long as Moscow gets to keep the Russian-speaking provinces of Eastern Ukraine and, most importantly, maintains a permanent grip on the port of Sevastopol in Crimea, one of Russia’s only two warm water ports (the other being in Syria), Ukraine can survive and far scarier global conflict can be avoided.
NATO refuses to allow for Kiev to even countenance a truce with Moscow all while denying Ukraine the tanks that Kiev claims it needs (because these systems will be too few and arrive too late to make any real difference). Britain says it will donate a company of its Challenger-2 tanks (that’s around 14 tanks overall) and Poland has agreed to donate another company of its German-built Leopard-class tanks. Although, when these tanks will be delivered or if there will even be a Ukrainian Army left to receive them remains in doubt. That’s not very helpful, now is it?
Instead of stringing the Ukrainians along, why not help to end the fighting while there’s still a Ukraine left?
But working on a negotiated settlement is far too much for the Biden Administration and their lackeys in the “mainstream,” while the media keeps chirping in our ears that the war will end only when Vladimir Putin is overthrown and the Russian Federation is dissolved into its constituent parts. This kind of rhetoric stands in the way of a deal and leads to some pretty insane calculations in Moscow in response to these Western claims.
Presently, the balance of the war in Ukraine is clearly shifting in Russia’s favor. At the risk of evoking the ire of the massive pro-Ukraine troll farms on Twitter, I urge all sides to ratchet down tensions; to sit at a big, beautiful table, and make a deal.
Should Ukraine be defeated it will cease being an independent state. The NATO alliance will be called into question. Europe will fracture, with many nations falling under the sway of pro-Russian and anti-American elements.





What’s more, the United States will be fully pushed away from Europe and will suffer another humiliating defeat on the world stage when its Ukrainian proxy falls to Russia—a force we were assured by Biden and others was spent.
Still, there is a window to prevent all of this and allow for Putin to get that which he has held since 2014: Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. The rest of Ukraine—the best portion, the western side—can remain free and prosperous. It will take courage and probity from Western leaders who have a proven track record, unfortunately, of lacking these key qualities for effective statesmanship.

FULL- https://amgreatness.com/2023/01/13/russia-not-yet-defeated/

All very easy to be a macho 'tough guy' when it isn't you being sent to the slaughter.

[bsnub]

Ukraine's forces have said they launched a strike on a base and field hospital where Russian troops were being housed with Ukrainian sources saying on Twitter that more than 100 people had been left under the debris.

On Sunday, the Ukrainian military's Strategic Communications Directorate (AFU Stratcom) reported that its forces had launched a strike on the building of the hospital of a former-machine building plant in the Russian-occupied town of Kadiivka, around 30 miles south of Lysychansk.

AFU Stratcom said the former hospital had been housing Russian soldiers, particularly those linked to Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, who has criticized Moscow's war commanders.

"The former dispensary of a machine-building plant was struck with high-precision weapons," Ukraine's armed forces said in a Telegram post which described how the site had been turned into a location for Kadyrov's soldiers. "They won't do it again," added the post, according to a translation.

Twitter user Slavko Slovkovich, who writes about Ukrainian gains in the war, tweeted on Monday, according to a translation, "the occupiers' base and field hospital were destroyed in Luhansk region. It is reported that under the debris there are more than a hundred people." With the message were images of a destroyed building which were also shared by other Twitter users.

The Twitter account of "Citizen of Ukraine", which touts the successes of Kyiv's forces, referred to the strike on the hospital, writing, "They say, 200 soldiers have finally got their black plastic bags."

Russian-controlled militants in Luhansk Oblast admitted the Ukrainian attack on Kadiivka and that a Ukrainian HIMARS strike on Saturday had destroyed the dispensary of the plant, the Kyiv Independent reported.

There were no independent reports on casualties in the reported strike and no confirmation of the attack or death toll from Russia.

Newsweek has contacted the Ukrainian and Russian defense ministries for comment about the claims.

They come as the governor of Donetsk Oblast Pavlo Kyrylenko said on Monday that Russian blasts had injured four civilians over the past day. Three people were injured in Bakhmut and one in Avdiivka, Kyrylenko said in a Telegram post.

Earlier this month, Russia admitted to its worst ever reported loss, after it said Ukraine forces struck a base in the occupied town of Makiivka in the eastern Donetsk region where Russian soldiers were stationed. Russia's Defense Ministry said then that Ukraine rocket attacks on one of its bases killed 63 soldiers on New Year's Eve.

The casualty count was the single largest incident loss Russia has recognized since President Vladimir Putin launched a full-scale invasion in Ukraine on February 24.

The General Staff of Ukraine's Armed Forces said in a briefing on Monday that Moscow is sending additional troops to occupied parts of Kherson Oblast.

They had arrived in the Vynohradove and Brylivka settlements between January 18 and 21 equipped with small arms and bulletproof vests although they did not arrive with any military equipment, according to Kyiv.

Meanwhile, Russia's Defense Ministry said on Sunday that troops from its Western Military District inflicted damage on Ukrainian units in the Kharkiv and Luhansk oblasts and that Kyiv's forces had suffered losses of more than 130 in strikes, RIA Novosti reported.

Kherson Oblast Governor Yaroslav Yanushevych said Russian troops attacked Kherson Oblast 25 times using artillery, multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS), mortars, and tanks, leaving three people wounded.

Russian attacks were also reported in the Sumy, Dnipropetrovsk, and Zaporizhzhia regions, according to local authorities.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukra...rubble-1775642

[misskit]

A version of this story has been running on Japanese news all morning.

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, January 22, 2023
Jan 22, 2023 - Press ISW


Wagner financier Yevgeny Prigozhin’s star has begun to set after months of apparent rise following his failure to make good on promises of capturing Bakhmut with his own forces. Russian President Vladimir Putin had likely turned to Prigozhin and Prigozhin’s reported ally, Army General Sergey Surovikin, to continue efforts to gain ground and break the will of Ukraine and its Western backers to continue the war after the conventional Russian military had culminated and, indeed, suffered disastrous setbacks. The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) and General Staff, headed by Sergey Shoigu and Army General Valeriy Gerasimov respectively, had turned their attention to mobilizing Russian reservists and conscripts and setting conditions for improved performance by the conventional Russian military, but they had little hope of achieving anything decisive in the Fall and early Winter of 2022. Putin apparently decided to give Prigozhin and Surovikin a chance to show what they could do with mobilized prisoners, on the one hand, and a brutal air campaign targeting Ukrainian civilian infrastructure on the other. Both efforts failed, as Prigozhin’s attempts to seize Bakhmut culminated and Surovikin’s air campaign accomplished little more than inflicting suffering on Ukrainian civilians while expending most of Russia’s remaining stocks of precision missiles. Prigozhin seems to have decided in this period that his star really was on the ascendant and that he could challenge Gerasimov and even Shoigu for preeminence in Russian military affairs. Those hopes now seem to have been delusional.

Institute for the Study of War

[panama hat]

delusional

Unfortunately many dictators have been just that, delusional . . . Hitler, Amin, Putin, Stalin, Mussolini, Kim etc . . .

[bsnub]

How long ya been saying that.

I have been correct to unlike you. Russia has been on its back foot for months while suffering massive defeat after massive defeat.

Crushed and forced to retreat in Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkiv, Lyman and Kherson.

Time and time again. How covenant that you would forget all that losing.

[sabang]

Don't need to react to excitable schoolkids- it is quite obvious what is happening on the ground now.

[bsnub]

Human waves.

it is quite obvious what is happening on the ground now.

Russia has a lot of ground to cover if it wants to retake all the ground it has lost. It has been getting its teeth kicked in for months.

[sabang]

Ukraine has a lot more ground to recover all it has lost. And currently, they are losing more.

[bsnub]

Ukraine has a lot more ground to recover all it has lost.

Actually it doesn't.

And currently, they are losing more.

Not really. What happened over in Zaporizhia?

[sabang]

Gratuitous laughies. Keep those chill pills handy kidski. You need them.

[Iceman123]

In the final wash up the Ukrainians will realise that the West do not give a damn about them.

They will be deserted once the US lose interest and have evaluated free of charge the Russian capabilities.

Any logical person can see that any drips and drabs of weapons being sent to Ukraine are not gamechangers but merely a means of keeping the Ukrainians in a war they can’t possibly win.

Ukraine’s infrastructure is in ruins. The Russian tactic of utilizing missiles and drones will be something that the US will be studying closely prior to engaging in their next war.

The Chinese will be happy to note that when they are ready they can rain missiles down on Taiwan without any fear of repercussion and ignore the large American bathtubs dotted around the South China Sea.

[bsnub]

The Russian tactic of utilizing missiles and drones will be something that the US will be studying closely prior to engaging in their next war.

The Ukrainians use drones far more effectively than the Russians.

Any logical person can see that any drips and drabs of weapons being sent to Ukraine are not gamechangers but merely a means of keeping the Ukrainians in a war they can’t possibly win.

So when will Russia be taking Kyiv?



100 western tanks and 300 western IFV like Bradly's win the war for Ukraine. Mark those word's dipshit.

The Chinese will be happy to note that when they are ready they can rain missiles down on Taiwan without any fear of repercussion and ignore the large American bathtubs dotted around the South China Sea.

Bathtubs? You are not very bright, are you?

[sabang]

100 western tanks and 300 western IFV like Bradly's win the war for Ukraine. Mark those word's dipshit

Another "confident prediction"?

Well then, lets check out the accuracy of your previous post #11493, 23/12/22 :-

I think that the coming winter Ukrainian offensive will see a few possibilities;


1. Ukraine will attack and surround Melitopol which will cut logistics supply lines to all Russians in the south of Ukraine and Crimea.


2. Ukraine will do another feint pretending to attack in the south but continue its thunder run in the north, taking Luhansk Oblast and
further isolating/encircling Russian forces in Donetsk Oblast basically proving the Russian assault on Bakhmut to be the complete waste
of time it has been for months since the Russian rear flanks there will be completely exposed if Luhansk Oblast falls.


3. It will do both simultaneously, but I think that would be a bit of a reach but still remotely possible.


At any rate, as soon as the ground freezes over, shit is going down.


I think the war will largely be over by the end of next summer, with Ukraine fully liberating the south to include Crimea

Nice one recruit snubski. Another classic:-

In the next few weeks, you will be made even more of a fool of when Ukraine starts is winter offensive.

#10971 6/12/22


Keep 'em coming snubski- we all like a good laugh. But the adults are talking quite differently-


America's highest-ranking military officer has warned it would be "very, very difficult" to eject thousands of Russian forces from war-torn Ukraine this year.



US General Mark Milley warns it will be ‘very difficult’ to eject Russian President Vladimir Putin’s forces from war-torn Ukraine in 2023 | Sky News Australia

[Norton]

America's highest-ranking military officer has warned it would be "very, very difficult" to eject thousands of Russian forces from war-torn Ukraine this year.

He could have said impossible and be proven correct. Anyone who thinks the Ukraine can retake and hold all including Crimea is smoking something quite powerful.

[sabang]

Seattle is well known for it's powerful drugs.

[sabang]

23 Jan, 2023 14:34HomeRussia & FSU


Russia and West on verge of ‘real war’ – Lavrov

Moscow's adversaries have long aimed to destroy everything Russian, the FM has said

The current situation in Ukraine demonstrates that the conflict between Russia and the West can no longer be defined as a “hybrid war” but is instead approaching becoming a real one, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Monday.

Speaking at a press conference following a meeting with his South African counterpart, Naledi Pandor, Lavrov also noted that this “almost real” war was something that the West “has been preparing for a long time against Russia.” The minister claimed that Western powers are seeking to destroy everything Russian, from the language to the culture that had existed in Ukraine for centuries, even forbidding people from speaking their native language.

Lavrov went on to point out that such practices have become commonplace throughout Ukraine and that the country’s last two presidents, Pyotr Poroshenko and current leader Vladimir Zelensky, have both turned into “presidents of war” and “Russophobic leaders” after gaining power, despite running their presidential campaigns on the promise of establishing peace.

The minister also recalled that Ukraine has adopted laws that prohibit using the Russian language in education, media, and even in everyday life. “And this is all supported by the West,” Lavrov said, adding that this support extends to neo-Nazi marches with swastikas and symbols of banned Nazi divisions being held across the country.

Russia and West on verge of ‘real war’ – Lavrov — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union

Chilling.

[Hugh Cow]

It is time to look at increasing tarriffs on countries that trade with Russia such as Turkey India and China.

[sabang]

Sure, send the World economy into recession. Who is hurting most?

Ukraine conflict to cost Germany 4.5% of GDP – DW

The collective loss to the country’s economy between 2020 and 2023 is estimated at almost $600 billion

https://www.rt.com/business/570367-germany-ukraine-conflict-economy-loss/

[bsnub]

Anyone who thinks the Ukraine can retake and hold all including Crimea is smoking something quite powerful.

That comment is just dumb. Firstly, Crimea is only accessible from three points, one being the Kerch Bridge. If Ukraine takes Melitopol (it will) then two of those point are cut off for the Russians. Surely then the next strike on the Kerch Bridge will take place. Then Crimea becomes untenable for Russian forces. Once Crimea is lost, it will be impossible to retake.

I will take the words of Lieutenant General Ben Hodges over yours any day of the week...



You need to put a little more thought into your comments.

[Norton]

I will take the words of Lieutenant General Ben Hodges over yours any day of the week...

Your call. We'll see on Jan 25, 2024 won't we.