Ukraine war mega thread

[sabang]

Of course it has 'arry, probably trying to find a cure for AIDs too. Because of course that is exactly the sort of thing the Pentagon provides funding for.

[helge]

This nonsense that somehow tries to justify the fact Putin invaded the Ukraine because they deservered it well, simply bullshit.

That argument has merit.

Agree or not

I am sure Putin could use a few volunteers like you to help kill Ukranians for the glory of the motherland.

Old fool

[sabang]

I do not hate the US at all, or western democracies norton- that is bullshit. Actually I am very fond of the place and it's people. I do hold in contempt the neo-con dominated US foreign policy this century, or more specifically it's abysmal results. Like any democracy, the US is capable of change- but lets face it change at the Federal level seems to have been very difficult to arrive at this century- be it foreign policy, health care, raising federal minimum wages, or 'build back better'.

[bsnub]

That argument has merit.

No, it doesn't, but I would like you to try and present it in a credible fashion. That should be a fun one to see.

[Norton]

Old fool

[helge]

^

Yes, I was

[bsnub]

Debunked

A nine-month-old video attempting to "debunk" a piece of investigative journalism that just broke.

I surmise from sabang's eagerness to promote this particular fucking fairy tale that he's gone full QAnon retard...

He really is dumber than dog shit. You are really making an ass of yourself tonight Sabs.

[Norton]

Well, then you were half right. I am old.

[helge]

And made a foolish childish comment.

[bsnub]

Yes, I was

In response to the passive-aggressive comment contained in your red;

There is nothing to figure out, as it is just horseshit Russian propaganda fabricated to justify the 2014 invasion. No wonder you swallow it.

[bsnub]

And made a foolish childish comment.

Par the course for you useful idiots.

[sabang]

I would like you to try and present it in a credible fashion.

Why should I take it upon myself to do the heavy lifting snubski, when the point has already been made more eloquently and credibly than I could ever originate by people such as:-

Jack Matlock
Henry Kissinger
John Mearsheimer
Jeffrey Sachs
Noam Chomsky
Pat Buchanan
David Stockman

And many, many other people. That^ is just a partial list of prominent Americans. A growing band actually, as it dawns on people- Americans in particular- that after +$100bn USD and untold death and destruction, we find our collective selves in yet another bloody quagmire- but in in this case one in which the economic and geopolitical ramifications reverberate worldwide.

[helge]

No wonder you swallow it.

I don't read any of the propaganda here.

No walls of shit for me.


I made up my mind about this years ago and haven't heard a thing that have proved me wrong.

Digest that

[Norton]

I do not hate the US at all, or western democracies norton- that is bullshit. Actually I am very fond of the place and it's people. I do hold in contempt the neo-con dominated US foreign policy this century, or more specifically it's abysmal results. Like any democracy, the US is capable of change- but lets face it change at the Federal level seems to have been very difficult to arrive at this century- be it foreign policy, health care, raising federal minimum wages, or 'build back better'.

Really. So what would you have the great satan and it's western allies do in response to Russia's invasion. Sounds to me, "nothing" the Ukraine has it coming.

[bsnub]

I don't read any of the propaganda here.

You read it elsewhere. Matters not.

I made up my mind about this years ago and haven't heard a thing that have proved me wrong.

Then you are a fool, so maybe you should not call the old sage of TD one. (he admitted to being old.)

Digest that

No need, it is Russian propaganda and my stomach is already sick of it.

[sabang]

My basic principles as a Humanist-

1/- Let the People decide
2/ Let the People decide

Ukraine became a different Polity after the Maidan revolution- that is the case whether you considered it justified or not.
This is my opinion, but subsequent domestic policy from the post Maidan Kiev government hardly healed wounds, or the longstanding east/ west rift in 'Ukraine'.
There are parts of pre-Maidan Ukraine that overwhelmingly want no part of this pot-Maidan Ukraine norts. That is just a fact.

Tragically, with more enlightened foreign policy, this war (or phase of the war) could and should have been avoided. Moscow, Washington, Kiev and the EU all share some responsibility for this debacle that ensued.

[sabang]

Yes, a 9 month old video of a Senate committee hearing with Victoria Nuland providing testimony directly to Senator Marco Rubio.
Don't you think the average reader/ viewer is capable of working that out for themself recruit snubski? It's all of 65 seconds long.

[Norton]

I repeat. Russia invaded the Ukraine. Being a "humanist" would you do nothing because the Ukrainians deserved it? Not a difficult question.

[bsnub]

You really are making yourself out to be a bigger and bigger fool with every post tonight. You clearly did not even bother to read the article I posted. Just sad to see you continue to embarrass yourself here.

[bsnub]

1/- Let the People decide
2/ Let the People decide

At the barrel or butt of a rifle.

There are parts of pre-Maidan Ukraine that overwhelmingly want no part of this pot-Maidan Ukraine norts. That is just a fact.

That is a lie.

Tragically, with more enlightened foreign policy, this war (or phase of the war) could and should have been avoided.

More utter nonsense. This is all a mad desire to reconstitute the USSR. It could not have been stopped.

[sabang]

Let the People decide. The Maidan revolution and coup occurred, and Ukraine became a different polity. You describe the Crimean Referendum and secession as a Russian invasion too norts.
National borders are not etched in stone, history tells us rather convincingly. They are more like lines in the sand. Yugoslavia, Ethiopia, Ukraine- actually bloody Europe in general.
Are you saying that only "We" can get to decide these lines in the sand, based on our extant political convictions? Very much last centuries thinking my friend. Winston would be proud.

[bsnub]

Being a "humanist" would you do nothing because the Ukrainians deserved it? Not a difficult question.

He will obfuscate on that one and post propaganda lies. If he responds at all.

[bsnub]

Let the People decide.

That is impossible on any level with Russian involvement. Proven time and time again.

You describe the Crimean Referendum and secession as a Russian invasion too norts.

It was an invasion and the "referendumb" was faked, as are all Russian "referendumbs". Only a fool would see otherwise.

National borders are not etched in stone, history tells us rather convincingly.

In this case, they will be.

Are you saying that only "We" can get to decide these lines in the sand, based on our extant political convictions? Very much last centuries thinking my friend. Winston would be proud.

What a laughable clown you are. Truly the personification of a useful idiot.

[sabang]

Maybe leave this to the adults recruit snubski. Too many laughies- I cannot even be bothered reading it.

[Iceman123]

I repeat. Russia invaded the Ukraine. Being a "humanist" would you do nothing because the Ukrainians deserved it? Not a difficult question.

Your knights in shining armour didn’t come rushing in to help the Palestinians when Israel “stole” their lands. Did they deserve it?