Ukraine war mega thread

[Norton]

Dearest Misskit,
I understand your exasperation and current lack of umph. It can happen to the best of us. Perhaps you could delegate some of your workload or perhaps a break or rest is necessary. I wish you well. But to your points; in order to change the things you mentioned here are my thoughts. I don’t expect to see any of them implemented (it’s been discussed several times here already and nothing changed) but here goes anyway.

Unwritten “Rules” – and some that that appear out of nowhere. I have been a member of TD for 11 years and not once have I seen anybody mention that news articles are not meant to be posted in Speakers. When did that rule come in? I suggest any rules you want posters to abide by, or guidelines you want members to follow, are written and left somewhere accessible for all members, old and new.

Name calling. That’s really easy to fix. Instruct mods to delete ALL posts with name calling in. Don’t forget to include this rule to the written rule/guideline list.
Another option to drastically reduce name calling would be to follow the Pareto Principle known as the "80/20" rule: “for many events, roughly 80% of effects come from 20% of the causes.” So to rid TD of 80% of the name calling, simply ban the two biggest culprits (harrybarracuda and Seekingasylum) from Speakers/news/wherever you don’t want name calling.

Mods: Insufficient mods, poorly trained or poorly instructed mods, conflicted mods, or lazy mods. Fixing any of those mod issues is simple enough. There’s no need for me to add anything else.

As for this thread, perhaps the Lounge would be better than Speakers at this stage in the thread's life.

Your humble poster,
Neville Everard Rupert Norman Asquith (the third).

Forum: Speakers Corner

Air your opinion on current world affairs. A forum for civil discussion and exchange of ideas. No flaming or abuse allowed. All posts should include your opinion on the subject, not your opinion of the member posting.

Depending on how those rules are interpreted, Miss Kitt has a point. "Air your opinion" indicates to me your (TD member) opinion. Not the opinion of some so called expert you find on the internet. How a news item relates to your opinion escapes me.

Agree with your method of stopping name calling. Trash straight away. 3 strikes you're out, aka jailed.

"Fixing any of those mod issues is simple enough."

Not anymore. Whoever the mods were when Xyte (our forum admin) passed away are the only mods we have. The forum no longer has an admin so no way to remove or add mods.

Easy to point fingers at the mods but we unfortunately have far too many members who run all over the forum who seem to find some sort of satisfaction calling others names. Irresponsible and it needs to stop.

[harrybarracuda]

"Air your opinion" indicates to me your (TD member) opinion. Not the opinion of some so called expert you find on the internet. How a news item relates to your opinion escapes me.

There is nothing wrong with news items in opinion threads - PROVIDING you are offering an opinion on them.
That's what Fair Use generally means.

It's the people that

- Post, in Speakers', news from obvious propaganda sources as a fait accompli because they have no opinion on them other than that they're "true"
- Post, in News threads, opinion pieces masquerading as news, again as a fait accompli because they have no opinion on them other than that they're "true"

A good example of this is the Afghanistan pull-out thread.

The news stories illustrate what actually happened: A declaration that they were leaving, their rush to do so, and a few terrorist incidents that took place while it was happening.

The actual transfer of power (which is what it was) was relatively quick and relatively peaceful compared to what it could have been.

Continuing on, the opinions consisted of:

- They shouldn't have left
- They were right to do it but should have taken longer
- They were right to do it quickly ("pulling the plaster off")
- The juvenile, mocking, "US sucks, they are evil, they screwed up", etc. etc.

It's not difficult to see who's polluting threads with fucking nonsense, and it's always the same bunch of retards.

[bsnub]

What goes around comes around...

CROSS-BORDER KARMA: @markito0171
posted a video of a UKR drone conducting a precision strike on an electrical substation near Bryansk, Russia, 80 miles from the border. Though difficult to confirm, the strike might have been conducted by a Polish-made Warmate UCAV.

[NamPikToot]

Catchy name

[bsnub]

It's not difficult to see who's polluting threads with fucking nonsense, and it's always the same bunch of retards.

Spot on!

[bsnub]

[QUOTE][Ukraine recaptured more than 4000 sq. miles of territory back from the Russian army in just a few days. Why will militaries worldwide study the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian army? And how, in a classic David and Goliath clash, the winner is the one who was predicted to lose? We’ll talk about the unique operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and learn how to defeat the biggest country on earth./QUOTE]

[AntRobertson]

And Ant can finally join the discussion.

I'm not jailed--I always could've I just chose not to because a mod(s) have a hard on for me so go out of their way to fuck with my posts.

Goes for the whole forum these days really.

[pickel]

Oh. I thought you were banned from some subforums. My mistake.

[AntRobertson]

Oh. I thought you were banned from some subforums. My mistake.

Oh yeah right...I was, temporarily at least, after a mod(s) started following me around one Fri night and forum banning me from anywhere I posted*







*See above about mod fuckery

[helge]

Pheww

Thought you were going to quote Harry's theories about, if only Asad stepped down, Syria would have democracy the week after.

Remember how we laughed at that ?

Fun times

Yes, I expect you did laugh civilian massacres and the civil war that ensued instead, because you're as thick as shit.

We laughed at you and your bloated ego predicting democracy in Syria if Assad stepped down.

Chickenhawk

[harrybarracuda]

We laughed at you and your bloated ego predicting democracy in Syria if Assad stepped down.

Chickenhawk

Of course you did, you're a clueless Scandihooligan wanker.

[OhOh]

The Budapest's parliamentary speaker's press conference.

21 Dec, 2022 07:41 HomeWorld News


Hungary outlines West’s key mistake in Ukraine

Trying to convert the nation into a military base against Russia was an error, Budapest's parliamentary speaker has claimed

"The West made a huge blunder when it tried to turn Ukraine into an anti-Russian stronghold, leaving Moscow no other choice than to intervene, the speaker of the Hungarian parliament, Laszlo Kover, said on Tuesday.

Speaking to InfoRadio, Kover noted that the Ukraine conflict has changed the global geopolitical map. He added that as the West introduced new sanctions against Russia, European political elites, “for some reason, became enthusiastic about destroying Russia economically [and] politically” while separating it from the EU by “creating a new iron curtain.”

While condemning Russia’s military campaign in Ukraine, the speaker noted that the West had been pushing Moscow back from its “old imperial borders” for several decades. Moreover, Moscow saw that “this is not enough for the West”, as it was getting closer to the nation’s core territories, he said.

“I think the Western world made a strategic mistake when it tried not only to remove Ukraine from Russia’s sphere of interest, but also to turn it into a large population and military base against Russia,” he stressed, adding that Moscow felt it could no longer sit idle in the face of these efforts.

He went on to point out that the sanctions regime against Moscow “has hurt Europe much more than Russia,” stressing that Central Europe should do its best to avoid becoming “the eastern periphery of a North Atlantic empire.”

While calling for a peaceful resolution of the Ukraine conflict, the speaker also stated that the “optimal scenario” for Europe would be the establishment of a “European peace system in which each other’s security needs are taken into account from both sides.”

His remarks come after French President Emmanuel Macron said on Tuesday that the conflict would eventually be settled diplomatically, reiterating that the West would have to come up with some sort of security guarantees not only for Kiev, but also for Moscow.

On Monday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said that Russia’s military operation against Ukraine was “absolutely necessary” amid recurring Western attempts to turn Ukraine into “anti-Russia.”"

Hungary outlines West’s key mistake in Ukraine — RT World News

Good overall international news statement. In my opinion.

[HermantheGerman]

Orban - another sad supporter of Russia for whom Europe should be ashamed. But he is certainly a recipient of personal privileges from his male friend Putler. And on the other hand, he has a KGB knife at his throat. If the bird doesn't sing as requested, one comes with poison or the Kalashnikov.

[mackayae]

How quickly they forget.

[OhOh]

Deluge of money for Ukraine puts Pentagon’s top cops on high alert

By Joe Gould

Dec 21, 07:00 PM

"WASHINGTON ― With Congress on track to hit $100 billion in aid this year to help Ukraine repel Russia, the Pentagon’s law enforcement agency is watching for signs of fraud and abuse in the contracts being awarded.The Defense Criminal Investigative Service’s Ukraine focus is on the Pentagon’s many speedy contracting actions and on the potential black market diversion of U.S. aid, said James Ives, principal deputy director for DCIS, which falls under the Department of Defense Office of Inspector General. No contracting fraud has become public so far.

“The risk is very real by virtue of the fact that we’re dealing with such an incredible volume of items, many that have warfighting capabilities, and we’re doing it very quickly,” Ives said in an interview. “Any time where you see accelerated efforts of this nature, there’s potential for all sorts of activities that should be of concern.”

The Pentagon said this month it’s so far inked Ukraine-related contracts worth $9 billion, with more coming. Of that, $2.7 billion falls under the $9.3 billion Congress approved for the Pentagon to buy new defense items for Ukraine, and another $3.4 billion is part the $6.7 billion the Pentagon committed to replace materiel sent to Ukraine from its stocks.

The Defense Department, according to a recent fact sheet, “is working closely with industry to produce these systems ... as quickly as possible,” using undefinitized contract actions, indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity contracts, and “other tools that accelerate acquisition timelines.”

Continues at an "accepted source" :

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Deluge of money for Ukraine puts Pentagon’s top cops on high alert

One would suspect the taxpayers presume that all weapons sales delivered would be crystal clear on delivery, security and allowed usage, by the recipient.

(Allowing of course for any future "rules changes", published by the responsible government departments.)

But possibly not by the Pentagon.

[panama hat]

How quickly they forget.

nd Orban has been PM for a total of over 20 years . . . and his father is a very wealthy man. Why is he sucking up to Putin . . . or is he simply a mini-fascist?

[David48atTD]

I thought this was a decent watch ...

Former ******** National Security Council Russia expert, Fiona Hill, says Vladimir Putin is as determined as ever to conquer Ukraine on his own terms and that he may see reports of Russia’s battlefield losses only as Western propaganda and disinformation.
Hill told DW’s Sarah Kelly that Putin had not changed his goals of defeating Ukraine and that another ground offensive, including against the capital Kyiv is possible—even if Russian casualties continue to mount.

The former top White House expert on Russia said that Putin has still “got his sights on the capitulation of Ukraine, one way or another ... if he thinks having another go at Kyiv would be successful, then he will certainly try that.”
Hill, who testified during Donald Trump’s first impeachment on withheld US military aid to Ukraine and Trump’s phone call with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, spoke to DW’s Sarah Kelly from Washington for Conflict Zone.

[Norton]

even if Russian casualties continue to mount.

Old school Russian tactics. Overwhelm with numbers. Lots of replacements in rural Russia where the only thing they know about the war is what the government tells them. Poor bastards.

[bsnub]

National Security Council Russia expert, Fiona Hill

Trumps former NSC expert. Her reputation is dubious at a best. Putin can say whatever he wants, but reality is another thing entirely. Russia is spent militarily, and it has been on its back foot since September. It does not matter how many men he conscripts, as they will have little training and will be nothing more than cannon fodder.

Besides, when the ground freezes over, we will be having a different discussion.

[David48atTD]

... when the ground freezes over, we will be having a different discussion.

+ 1 Yep

[helge]

Old school Russian tactics. Overwhelm with numbers. Lots of replacements in rural Russia where the only thing they know about the war is what the government tells them. Poor bastards.

What do you mean with 'overwhelm with numbers' ?

Troops ?

I don't think that they can match the ukranians there.

Artillery ?

Surely they have an upper hand there

Or what you meant was really that the russians are fighting 1 WW style "over the top", wasn't it ?

Nothing to suggest that with ukrainian losses up to 5 times higher than the russian.


Poor bastards indeed

[NamPikToot]

Besides, when the ground freezes over, we will be having a different discussion.

its not just about the troops though is it, its going to be equally bleak for the poor Ukrainian Civis as Russia keeps up attacks in power and water infra.

[David48atTD]

Artillery ?

Surely they have an upper hand there

Agreed, the Russians have far more Artillery options at their choice, but apparently they are being over-used and close to end of life/in need of major overhaul.

[David48atTD]

Nothing to suggest that with ukrainian losses up to 5 times higher than the russian.

Agreed. The losses seem to be way higher with the Russians.

[bsnub]

What do you mean with 'overwhelm with numbers' ?

Troops ?

I don't think that they can match the ukranians there.

Artillery ?

Surely they have an upper hand there

Or what you meant was really that the russians are fighting 1 WW style "over the top", wasn't it ?

Nothing to suggest that with ukrainian losses up to 5 times higher than the russian.


Poor bastards indeed

You really are completely clueless about what is going on in Ukraine, aren't you?

There is no parity on the battlefield between the two countries. Russia is complete dog shit as they have been ground down to bits for months. The Ukrainians have been getting equipped and trained in mass by NATO for months now. The battles are all one-sided. The Russians have been trying for months to take Bakhmut, and they still do not even have a foothold in the city FFS. Zelensky fucking went there yesterday.

It is time for you clowns to get a dose of reality. You forgot how you have been getting your shit packed in for sometime now.

Kyiv
Kharkiv
Lyman
Chernihiv
Kherson

Racking up loss after loss.

Some video proof of dead Russians getting stacked up...

Just amazing. President Zelensky visited not just the front line, but the hottest spot in Ukraine, the meat grinder (of Russian forces). What a risk. What a morale boost to the Ukrainian soldiers. It would be amazing, huge honor, to have that flag displayed in halls of Congress!

https://twitter.com/SpencerGuard/sta...54086294949888