Ukraine war mega thread

[bsnub]

Have you got figures to back this up or are you just being a moron?

It came from the mouth of a Ukrainian soldier defending Bakhmut on Twitter. I will try to find the link. It is not so hard a number to swallow when the Russians are forcing untrained conscripts to attack fortified Ukrainian positions in frontal assaults.

Like any real moron, they do make it self evident. How can you be born so gullible?

You are the one who constantly posts up propaganda. Just look at th shit you have posted today alone. Some propaganda blog with totally fake causality numbers. It is well known that the Russians are losing men at a massive rate in Bakhmut. Multiple sources reporting that they are losing more than 100 KIA a day, with even more wounded.

Russia Losing 100 Soldiers a Day in Bloody Battle for Bakhmut, Report
https://kyivindependent.com/news-fee...t-sector-daily
‘Only 100 metres apart’: Ukrainians and Russians face off in Donetsk | Ukraine | The Guardian
Trenches, endless mud and death: the Battle of Bakhmut

[bsnub]

The Russians have been attacking the city for months and to this day Bakhmut holds. It does not take rocket science to figure out who would be taking the higher casualties.

[harrybarracuda]

General Wesley Clark described it as a 'meat grinder'- for the Ukrainians. Commie propaganda?

This is the bloke that said John McLean lacked "executive" experience and then bankrupted a bank by doing dodgy deals with the chinkies.

Just the sort of "expert" sabang would pick.

[NamPikToot]

The Russians have been attacking the city for months and to this day Bakhmut holds. It does not take rocket science to figure out who would be taking the higher casualties.

What is telling is the Russians have not gone for further mobilisation, they also haven't risked their air assets for fear of losing too many - the fact they are attacking infra is to me an admission they can't face off with confidence at present. Imo.

[bsnub]

What is telling is the Russians have not gone for further mobilisation

Most of the conscripts die almost immediately when they arrive at the front. There are loads of videos of them in trenches in the wide open. The Ukrainians come along with drones and drop mortar rounds and/or grenades on them.

[Takeovers]

As an aside he makes no explanation of why this professionally run Russian army needs Chechyn fighters and the Wagner groups help.

Not to forget, the mighty russian empire needs to buy drones and missiles from Iran and iranian instructors to use them.

[HermantheGerman]

Not to forget, the mighty russian empire needs to buy drones and missiles from Iran and iranian instructors to use them.

...and German gas turbines to transport gas
...and U.S. oil equipment to get oil
...and
...and
...and

Russia is just a gas station

[helge]

Russia is just a gas station

Enough to make Germany bend over any day

[bsnub]

Shaping the battlefield.

NO PLACE TO HIDE: On 12 DEC, a demolition raid was conducted against the M-14 HWY bridge over the Molochna canal E of Melitopol. This UKR Partisan attack succeeded in buckling the road deck and rendering the bridge unsuitable for the transportation of tanks or artillery.

An excellent twitter thread about this raid with commentary from Chuck Pfarrer an ex NAVY SEAL...

https://twitter.com/TrentTelenko/sta...83011051786240

Ukrainian Spec Ops units are linked up with partisans and operating deep behind enemy lines.

[bsnub]

Russian telegramers are triggered over the bridge being blown...



Translation...



https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...69819760234497

[bsnub]

Alleged result of a strike tonight on a military base near Klintsy, Russia.

Impressive hit: The Ukrainian army hit the center of a Russian army base in Klintsky, 50 km north of Ukraine. Crater looks like a ballistic missile was used OR something big exploded after a smaller impact. The powerful blast threw around several tracked vehicles.

The battle is going into Russia now. Video in second link.

https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/st...90801296592896

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/...99403885404162

[NamPikToot]

^^ they must be a bit thick if they think the operatives drove by car, alighted and set the charges having evaded the searches

[bsnub]

they must be a bit thick if they think the operatives drove by car, alighted and set the charges having evaded the searches

The Russians have proven time and time again in this invasion to be as thick as pig shit.

[Iceman123]

The Russians have proven time and time again in this invasion to be as thick as pig shit.

Good evening Snubski

[bsnub]

Good evening Snubski

Along comes Sabwangs grovelling ankle biting lapdog. Hello Icebitch.

[helge]

to be as thick as pig shit.

Pig shit isn't thick nowadays

Just saying

[sabang]

It is well known that the Russians are losing men at a massive rate in Bakhmut. Multiple sources reporting that they are losing more than 100 KIA a day, with even more wounded.

Most of the conscripts die almost immediately when they arrive at the front.

It came from the mouth of a Ukrainian soldier defending Bakhmut on Twitter.

I don't think this bloke got your memo junior recruit-

The commander of the neo-Nazi Svoboda battalion, Petro Kuzik, whose unit is trying to hold Bakhmut, told Western media that the fields and forests around are littered with the corpses of Ukrainian soldiers, and they have to defend themselves in extreme cold and knee-deep in water.

“They [the Russians] sensed a weakness in our defenses because there are units that are less motivated than ours. And yesterday they slightly weakened our defenses in the area immediately around Bakhmut. Some units could not withstand this artillery onslaught and retreated.”

Asked how serious the loss of life is, he said: “They are colossal. We don’t even count the bodies.”

https://www.australiannationalreview.com/state-of-affairs/the-commander-of-the-neo-nazi-svoboda-battalion-petro-kuzik-whose-unit-is-trying-to-hold-bakhmut/

[pickel]

^
An opinion piece by someone named Intel Slava Z on a website that:

In review, the Australian National Review promotes pseudoscience, such as anti-vaccination and anti-gmo propaganda. In addition to these, they also publish conspiracy theories such as those involving ChemTrails. In many cases, they source from other conspiracy and pseudoscience websites, such as Food Babe and Natural News. In general, this is a strongly rated conspiracy and pseudoscience website that is low for factual information.

Give your head a shake sabang, do you seriously think that is credible?

[sabang]

More credible than snubski's pro-Ukrainian Twitter feeds, because this is from a real person who commands a real Battalion-

The commander of the neo-Nazi Svoboda battalion, Petro Kuzik,

so it is verifiable- or indeed can be proven false, if this is the case. You have no way of verifying who Twits are from, or their veracity. So get a check-up from the neck up pickle, and quit with the blatant double standards.

[misskit]

About counting the loss of lives in the Ukraine war. The article is too difficult to post so you will have to go use the link.

Inglorious losses


The number of Russians and ‘DPR’ and ‘LPR’ residents killed in the Ukraine War is approaching 25,000. How can we calculate the real number of victims when war and propaganda dominate the country?

Новая газета Европа

[bsnub]

More credible than snubski's pro-Ukrainian Twitter feeds, because this is from a real person who commands a real Battalion-

You really are a laughable clown. So why haven't the Russians taken Bakhmut? They have only been trying for months? BTW, I hope you enjoyed seeing the pictures of the blown bridge outside Melitpol.

[sabang]

Aren't you repeating yourself endlessly, even for an infant? Why hasn't Ukraine taken Donetsk, or Luhansk? Why do bears shit in the woods? Yawwwn, dunno.

(P.s:- war porn phot's are the domain of you and ilk, and have little to do with me- not to mention no impact.}

[pickel]

More credible than snubski's pro-Ukrainian Twitter feeds, because this is from a real person who commands a real Battalion- so it is verifiable- or indeed can be proven false, if this is the case. You have no way of verifying who Twits are from, or their veracity. So get a check-up from the neck up pickle, and quit with the blatant double standards.

You really are a bit silly.

Russian Telegram channels spread messages about the Armed Forces of Ukraine allegedly suffering colossal losses. They attempted to prove this with a screenshot from the British tabloid Daily Express or, rather, part of it. Propagandists cropped the screenshot so that the context of the answer became unclear and it could be interpreted the way Russian propaganda needed. The information contained in the text and translation provided below was totally fake.



According to the screenshot from the British source, Ukraine’s Svoboda Battalion Commander Petro Kyzyk was asked about losses on the battlefield and replied: “They are colossal. They don’t even count bodies.”
In the original interview, which Daily Express is referring to, the question was about the losses of Russian occupiers. Hence, using a screenshot of two sentences taken out of the context, Russian propaganda tried to pass their own losses as those of the Ukrainian side.



Petro Kuzyk, in the original interview, named the true number of the Svoboda Battalion’s members, who had been injured and killed.
“I would like people to know about the feat. Svoboda members are now in positions. We do not retreat and, thus, we have about 120 of those injured. Sixteen guys were killed,” Kuzyk told.
The article of the British source also contained the contextual inaccuracies, affecting the perception of information. Daily Express mentioned that Petro Kuzyk said his soldiers were staying in trenches full of corpses. However, there was nothing like that in Kuzyk’s original interview. At Ukrinform’s request, the interviewer who asked the commander about hostilities raging near Bakhmut also confirmed this.



Ukrinform contacted the author of the article published by Daily Express regarding information about corpses in trenches. The journalist admitted that such interpretation was incorrect and edited the text of the article. Now the British article says that the Svoboda Battalion’s soldiers are fighting in fields ‘littered with corpses’, which corresponds to the text of the original interview.




Exactly the opposite: Russian propaganda attempts to pass their own losses as those of Ukraine

[sabang]

How Will the Blob React if Ukraine Faces Defeat?

by Ted Galen Carpenter Posted onDecember 13, 2022

Given Ukraine’s surprisingly effective counteroffensive against Russian forces in the autumn of 2022, there has been an increasing focus among Western officials and their media allies about Russia’s probable response to an overall Ukrainian triumph in the war. There has been far less discussion about how the United States and its European partners will respond if military fortunes change and NATO’s proxy faces definitive defeat. However, such a discussion is essential to avoid making a serious policy blunder.

Western foreign policy experts are split about the Kremlin’s probable response if its military venture in Ukraine implodes. Realists are concerned that Russian President Vladimir Putin might drastically escalate the scope of Russia’s efforts. Such concern is warranted. Indeed, escalation already is taking place, with the partial national mobilization that Putin ordered in September 2022, and the intensified missile strikes on Ukraine’s electrical grid and other infrastructure. Some worried analysts have warned that if Russia faces a definitive defeat in Ukraine, a cornered Putin might even use tactical nuclear weapons to avert a humiliating debacle. Even President Biden has noted the existence of that danger.

More hawkish types, though, insist that Putin is bluffing, and they celebrate Kyiv’s counteroffensive as merely the prelude to a glorious overall triumph. Their implicit assumption is that NATO’s military clout will deter the Kremlin from escalating the stakes. Instead, they apparently believe that the Russian bear will crawl away with its stubby tail between its legs, accepting a diplomatic settlement that returns all occupied Ukrainian territory (including Crimea) to Kyiv’s control. Hawks such as Anne Applebaum have insisted from the outset that a settlement with those characteristics is the only acceptable outcome.

The foreign policy blob’s rosy scenario about the likely consequences of a Russian defeat in Ukraine is worrisome. However, the excessive optimism about Kyiv’s prospective fortunes is equally so. The reality is that while Putin clearly underestimated the tenacity of Ukrainian forces (as well as the extent and effectiveness of NATO’s military aid to Kyiv), Russia still is slowly achieving its territorial objectives while devastating Ukraine’s infrastructure.

One key measure that should be extremely worrisome to Ukraine and its Western patrons is the extent of military casualties. An assessment by Gen. Mark Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, in early November 2022 concluded that Russian forces had suffered more than 100,000 dead and wounded since the war began. U.S. news media outlets highlighted that number in headlines about Milley’s report. What received far less attention was his admission that Ukrainian forces also had suffered more than 100,000 casualties. That point was significant because Russia’s military is much larger than Ukraine’s, and Russia’s overall population is more than 3 times larger than Ukraine’s. In other words, Russia can absorb such gruesome losses easier and longer than Ukraine can. As the war drags on and turns into a human meat grinder, Ukraine’s fortunes fade, not brighten.

The Biden administration may be cynical about such consequences, since the template for Washington’s use of Ukraine as a military proxy against Moscow was using the Afghan mujahidin in the 1980s to bleed the Soviet Union’s occupation forces. That policy ultimately succeeded, albeit at great cost in multiple respects to the Afghan people. However, as I have pointed out elsewhere, Ukraine is a much more vital interest to Moscow than Afghanistan ever was. Hence, the Kremlin’s willingness to accept a humiliating withdrawal from Ukraine is extremely unlikely.

Moreover, although administration officials may be cynically pragmatic about using Ukraine as a proxy only as long as the strategy proves effective, Kyiv has legions of genuine admirers in the foreign policy blob and the news media. The pervasive, bogus portrayal of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky as a noble figure akin to Winston Churchill, and Ukraine as plucky liberal democracy resisting an invasion by a vicious aggressor, makes it difficult for Washington to abandon its proxy – even if Kyiv’s fortunes turn bleak. Having argued that Ukraine is on the front lines of a global, existential fight between democracy and autocracy, which the administration and its allies in the blob have done repeatedly, it will be difficult to retreat from that stance.

A very real risk exists that if Russia’s impending winter offensive – or some later offensive – routs Ukrainian forces, there will be tremendous pressure on the Biden administration to intensify rather than reduce US support for Kyiv. Indeed, there would almost certainly be calls for direct NATO military involvement in the war. Escalation could take the form of imposing a no-fly zone over Ukraine or even deploying US combat forces in that country.

The risks associated with such dramatic moves should be obvious and horrifying, but those influential figures who have embraced the war as a holy crusade against Russian aggression and the alleged global menace of autocracy may not be deterred by such considerations. Members of the US foreign policy establishment do not have a good track record about being willing to abandon failed enterprises. They persisted in the Vietnam War for years after it was apparent that Washington’s clients in Saigon could not win. More recently, they stubbornly refused to recognize the bankruptcy of US policy in Afghanistan for nearly two decades.

It is hard to imagine that people with the same mentality will abandon Ukraine after exerting every effort to portray that country as a vibrant democracy and a crucial ally. Indeed, the tsunami of hostility from such quarters to the tepid call (quickly retracted) from the House Progressive Caucus for a greater emphasis on diplomacy to end the war indicates the extent of fanatical support for Ukraine. Calls for escalating Washington’s commitment are likely to be embraced by the blob, despite the excessive risks to the American people. Americans who want to prevent their country from becoming even more entangled in the Ukraine conflict must be prepared to rebuff such efforts.

Ted Galen Carpenter, a senior fellow in defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute, is the author of 13 books and more than 1,100 articles on civil liberties and international affairs. His latest book is Unreliable Watchdog: The News Media and U.S. Foreign Policy (2022).


https://original.antiwar.com/Ted_Gal...-faces-defeat/

[pickel]

Ted Galen Carpenter, a senior fellow in defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute, is the author of 13 books and more than 1,100 articles on civil liberties and international affairs. His latest book is Unreliable Watchdog: The News Media and U.S. Foreign Policy (2022)

At least he's more credible than Intel Slava Z.

But, its just his opinion.

I did my check-up from the neck up though, and I believe you got owned.