Ukraine war mega thread

[bsnub]

Just making waves or is Putin about to be stomped on?

Putin has been getting stomped on for nine months. But I welcome NATO to join. We could call it a gangbang at that point, but there is not much blood left to be squeezed out of the turnip that Russia is.

[sabang]

Wanna nice nuke slugfest too snubski? Admit it, you hate Germany too dontcha? And those cheese eating surrender monkeys.

[bsnub]

Wanna nice nuke slugfest too snubski?

There will be no nukes. Putin likes his $14,000 sweater, his multimillion dollar Swiss watch collection and his Sochi palace.

You are fearmongering because your dear leader is losing the war.

[sabang]

He is certainly not my dear leader, but last I knew he was sitting on slightly less than 20% of Ukraine- which has been decimated. Some stomp.

I presume you have seen in your news that Russia launched it's largest missile barrage thus far on Ukraine? Surely they must be running out of missiles.

[bsnub]

He is certainly not my dear leader, but last I knew he was sitting on slightly less than 20% of Ukraine

You need to recalculate. Ukraine has liberated approximately 74,443 square kilometers of Ukrainian territory since Russia's full-scale invasion began on February 24, 2022. Most of what Russia still holds, it took unopposed. Russia is the new retreat world record holder, breaking the record previously held by France for eighty years.

I presume you have seen in your news that Russia launched it's largest missile barrage thus far on Ukraine?

I feel for the civilians, but it will not change the outcome of this war. Russia will lose. If the Russians had a touch of intelligence, they would be using those weapons on military targets, since they are being utterly trounced on the battlefield. But they are idiots, just like their useful idiots.

[sabang]

What ukraine and russia have liberated or reliberated is for the People to decide, not you or I. Now have a nice sulky day/ night.

[harrybarracuda]

He is certainly not my dear leader

Yes he is, you spend all your time kissing his arse you snivelling sycophant.

[harrybarracuda]

What ukraine and russia have liberated or reliberated is for the People to decide, not you or I. Now have a nice sulky day/ night.

I think you deciding Putin isn't getting his arse kicked because you adore him makes your opinion particularly worthless.

The rest of us rely on the vast amount of OSINT on offer, along with news sources that aren't state propaganda.

[Iceman123]

I think you deciding Putin isn't getting his arse kicked because you adore him makes your opinion particularly worthless.

The rest of us rely on the vast amount of OSINT on offer, along with news sources that aren't state propaganda.

Harry, keep your mouth shut you blithering idiot. You do not speak for the rest of us thank God. I like to hear both sides of the argument unfortunately yourself and the Seattle basement dweller seem incapable of having a rational debate.

Remember Harry, If you rip a mans tongue out it is not because he is telling lies but merely because you are frightened of what he has to say.

This is an open forum, everyone is entitled to their opinion without being personally attacked.

Now before you jump back on the "kick Sabang" bandwagon, show me one post he has made stating that he wants Russia to defeat Ukraine.

He is merely presenting the other viewpoint, if he didn't it would be an even more boring thread.

[misskit]

Accounts of Torture Emerge From Kherson, Ukraine's 'City of Fear'

KHERSON, Ukraine — Olena Naumova’s descent into two weeks of terror began in late August, when three Russian soldiers with automatic rifles banged on her door in the occupied city of Kherson. She said they ordered her to turn over her gun. She had no gun.


“‘Don’t lie,’” she said the Russians warned her. “‘We will shock you with electricity. We will break your bones. We will put construction foam in your body.’”


Stunned, Naumova, a kindergarten teacher who had posted some pro-Ukrainian videos, said she felt herself go weightless as the soldiers threw a plastic bag over her head and dragged her to a car. Then they took her to an underground prison where she said she was interrogated, beaten and forced to hear screams emanating from other cells.

As Kherson celebrates its fresh liberation after eight long months of Russian occupation, and as residents pour into its streets with bright smiles and shiny flags, disturbing accounts of torture and abuse at the hands of Russian soldiers are emerging as well, with people finally free to talk.


Several residents described being hauled off to underground torture chambers, sometimes just for posting patriotic poems. Others said they had witnessed random outbursts of violence, such as Russian soldiers smashing young men in the face and sending them to the hospital — for no apparent reason.


Anyone suspected of belonging to a partisan underground group or spying on the Russians’ military positions was at grave risk, according to interviews with dozens of city residents as well as Ukrainian military officials.


Soldiers crashed through doors or plucked people off the streets in tactics that seemed to belong to authoritarian regimes from another era. It was all part of the Russians’ failed effort to turn Kherson, by force, into part of their motherland.


Ukrainian officials have said the Russians kidnapped more than 600 people and many are still missing. Residents also reported disappearances and killings, consistent with war-crime allegations documented in Bucha, Izium and other Ukrainian cities where Russian President Vladimir Putin’s troops swept in, leaving behind smashed homes and mass graves.


But Kherson is now liberated territory.


On Monday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy arrived for a surprise, triumphant visit, calling the Russian retreat last week “the beginning of the end of the war.”


Outside the imposing regional administration building that just days earlier had flown the Russian tricolor flag, he told a crowd of hundreds of people, some wrapped in Ukrainian flags, “Step by step, we’re coming to all of our country.”


But as in every other place taken back from Moscow’s forces, Ukrainians here now have to reckon with the trauma left behind. Zelenskyy said the Russians had committed more than 400 war crimes in Kherson.


“It was a city of fear,” said Olena Samofalova, an out-of-work salesperson who came to the main square Monday to “feel some of the positive energy.” Like many others here, she seemed in a daze, almost unable to believe that her country’s army and her president were strolling through the same cobblestone square that only recently had been full of glaring Russian soldiers.


Vyacheslav Lukashuk, a lanky, 27-year-old handyman, recalled how a dozen soldiers and officers of the Russian security service had burst into his home and thrown him facedown to the floor, screaming, “Where are your weapons?” and “How do you contact the Ukrainian army?”


They kicked him and beat him with rifle butts, he said, and one soldier slipped a plastic bag over his head to suffocate him.


“It’s hard to call it an arrest,” he said. “They just flew in and started beating me. I said goodbye to my life at that moment.”


His offense? Spray-painting “Glory to Ukraine” on a bus stop.


Naumova was more of a thorn in the Russians’ side, by her account and those of other Kherson residents. In February, after Russian troops marched in, she started blogging furiously about the invasion, and took to TikTok to spread patriotic videos.


As the Russian occupation hardened, so did her messages. She called for the people of Kherson to rise up against the Russians. On the morning of Aug. 23, her mobile phone service was abruptly cut. Then the soldiers came, demanding, “Where is your weapon?” She replied, “Are you serious?”


On Monday, she was mobbed by friends and supporters as she visited the same main square as Zelenskyy, a Ukrainian flag victoriously draped over her shoulders and a little one painted on her right cheek. Everywhere she turned, someone was waiting to hug her. They looked surprised to see her alive.


“I was really worried about you,” said one woman as they embraced. The woman pulled back and looked into Naumova’s face. “Are you OK?”


Naumova, 57, might seem like an unlikely freedom fighter. For her entire adult life, she has been teaching kindergarten, a specialist in educating children ages 2-6. She blogged before the war, mostly on children’s topics. She grew up in the Kherson area and never moved far. But when the Russians came, she felt a revulsion boil up inside her that surprised even herself.


“I lived under the Soviet Union and I never want to go back to the Soviet Union,” she said. “It was like prison camp.”


Divorced and living alone, she began raising money, including from Israel and the United States, to give to older people and those with disabilities living in Kherson and suffering under the occupation. Then she started making patriotic videos, first with children’s poems, then with speeches, then directly taunting the Russians.


She had a large audience: 105,000 subscribers on her TikTok channel. Some of her videos have been liked 380,000 times.


“I was making jokes, like ‘My dear Russians and FSB, you won’t take an old lady from kindergarten, will you?’” she said, mentioning the Russian intelligence agency. “My friends asked: Aren’t you scared they will take you?”


In late August, residents said, the Russians began arresting more people. The crackdown seemed to coincide with the Ukrainian army announcing a southern offensive to recapture Kherson.


As Ukrainian forces slowly advanced, methodically choking off Kherson’s bridges and surrounding the city, residents said the Russian soldiers grew increasingly unpredictable.


“It was dangerous to go near them,” said Andrew Kirsanov, a computer programming student. “You never knew what was inside their minds.”


Samofalova said that one night in August, Russian soldiers pounced on a group of female nurses and doctors and some men who happened to be sitting near them. Their offense: singing patriotic songs on Kherson’s main square, on Ukraine’s independence day. She said she later learned that the group had been brought to “an underground prison” — several other residents used the same words, “underground prison,” to describe where they or their loved ones had been taken.


Apparently, the Russians had set up a network of them, using Kherson’s Cold War-era bomb shelters as torture sites. Samofalova said that she had spoken to the victims herself after their release and that Russian soldiers slammed their rifle butts into the women’s breasts and kept them in custody for 10 days.


Naumova said her jailers had locked her in a drab, windowless room vacant of anything but two chairs. A Russian officer stood in front of her and barked: “Who is your network?”


“Where did you get the money?”


“Who is working with you?”


Then he pulled back his arm, she said, and slapped her in the face.


“I was scared they were going to kill me,” she said. “I’m a good actress, so I decided to play the role of an emotional and not very smart girl. I was crying all the time, pretending to be weak. If I behaved as a hero, I would have been dead, very quickly.”


One of her friends, a lean man in his mid-40s, gave her a big hug as she told her story in the sunshine of the main square. “This is a beautiful woman with a great spirit,” said the man, Olexander.


Olexander, who didn’t want to give his last name because he feared the Russians could still hurt him, said he, too, had made patriotic videos, including some in which he read Ukrainian poems. He was arrested in June, blindfolded with an old hat pulled down over his eyes and taken to a police station. There, he said, Russian soldiers connected wires to his fingertips with alligator clips and jolted him with electricity.


“How bad was it? I wet my pants. I didn’t want to live,” he said.


He was let go in three days, he said. For Naumova, it was longer.


She said she was interrogated and beaten for four days, then kept in a cell for another seven. Before releasing her, the Russians forced her to make an apology video. In it, she stared glumly at the camera and said she was sorry for calling the occupiers “pig dogs” and saying that Kherson was Ukraine.


The same thing happened to Lukashuk. He was released, after a week, after apologizing on video for the pro-Ukrainian graffiti. The Russians posted the video online, along with other residents’ confessions, in an apparent effort to shame and intimidate people.


The last thing the Russians did to her, Naumova said, was try to extract the equivalent of a few thousand dollars, way more than she had. She told them she would get the money from friends. Instead, she went into hiding.


On Monday, she seemed happy doing interviews with journalists and making the rounds in Kherson’s sun-soaked square.


“I can finally breathe,” she said. “It’s like waking up from a coma.”

Accounts of Torture Emerge From Kherson, Ukraine's 'City of Fear'

[Joe 90]

Why did Zelensky want a watermelon in Kherson? - BBC News

[Joe 90]

He is merely presenting the other viewpoint, if he didn't it would be an even more boring thread.

Well said, a damn fine job he's doing too. Can't be easy but everyone needs a hobby

[bsnub]

What ukraine and russia have liberated or reliberated is for the People to decide, not you or I.

I think the widespread celebrations in the streets of Kherson and other liberated cites are the people deciding, you pathetic shill.

I like to hear both sides of the argument unfortunately yourself and the Seattle basement dweller seem incapable of having a rational debate.

You are such a pathetic old fool and a massive hypocrite. You came in here for months cheerleading for Putin and trying to rub the fact that Russia was "winning" the war in my face in a pathetic attempt to gloat. Furthermore, you have since been made a fool of, as Ukraine is fully in control of the war. Yet you continue to exhibit the signs of butt hurt.

You have demonstrated no ability to "debate" anything in here, as basically all you do is show up and try to take petty potshots and make personal insults, as demonstrated by your butt hurt comment above.

show me one post he has made stating that he wants Russia to defeat Ukraine.

He has said it many times here, go back and read the thread posts. Clearly you have some catching up to do.

[Joe 90]

From Truss and the Lettuce to Putin and the watermelon

[Iceman123]

He has said it many times here, go back and read the thread posts. Clearly you have some catching up to do.

No. That's your job, appreciate it is difficult because you are wrong as usual.

Now, get back to the video games, there are adults in the room.

[bsnub]

No. That's your job, appreciate it is difficult because you are wrong as usual.

Wrong about Russia losing the war? No, I have been right about almost everything I have posted in this thread. Why not show me any post I have made that has been proven wrong? Furthermore, why not you show me any post of yours that has any value at all to the thread topic. You come in here to shit fight and nothing more.

You just had a bunch of posts shit canned in here for being a whiny little bitch. Now you are back again doing the same thing. Maybe it's time for the mods to block you from spewing your bile in speakers corner. Take your butt hurt elsewhere.

Now, get back to the video games, there are adults in the room.

Fucking sad old coffin dodger.

[bsnub]

Back on topic. Something that no one is talking about...

Russian forces conducted the largest set of missile strikes against Ukrainian critical infrastructure since the start of the war. Ukrainian Air Force Command spokesperson Yuriy Ignat reported on November 15 that Russian forces launched about 100 Kh-101 and Kh-555 cruise missiles at targets in Ukraine

These are Soviet era weapons that Russia can not build anymore. The engines to these missiles were manufactured in Ukraine by Motor Sich. So yes, Russia is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian air defenses shot down 73 Russian cruise missiles and all drones on November 15.

Clearly an indication that Ukrainian ADA (Air Defense Artillary) is strong, and it will only get stronger after these cowardly attacks on civilian infrastructure.

[harrybarracuda]

Harry, keep your mouth shut you blithering idiot. You do not speak for the rest of us thank God.

I certainly don't speak for you because most of this goes way over your empty head.

Since you're too fucking dumb to tell the difference between a "different opinion" and someone trying to pass state propaganda off as fact, I really couldn't give a fuck what you have to say to be honest.

[bsnub]

Since you're too fucking dumb to tell the difference between a "different opinion" and someone trying to pass state propaganda off as fact

Well, there is the post of the day.

[OhOh]

16 Nov, 2022 11:24

HomeRussia & FSU

‘High probability’ that Ukrainian missile struck Poland – Warsaw

Polish President Andrzej Duda says there is “no evidence” that the projectile was fired by Russia .

"A missile that allegedly killed two people in Poland on Tuesday was most likely launched by Ukrainian air defense forces, Polish president, Andrzej Duda, has announced.Russia’s defense ministry previously said its analysis of photos from the site showed that the projectile was from a S-300 air defense system used by Kiev.

“Most likely, a missile made by Russia in the 1970s has fallen on Polish territory. We have no evidence that it was launched by Russia,” Duda told reporters.

“There is a high probability that it was a Ukrainian air defense missile,” he added.

Both Russia and Ukraine were part of the Soviet Union in the 1970s, under the leadership of the Ukrainian-born Leonid Brezhnev.

Duda said it was an “unfortunate accident” rather than a deliberate attack on Polish soil. He suggested that the missile had struck Poland when Ukrainian forces were trying to intercept Russian attacks.

“Ukraine was defending itself – which is obvious and understandable – by also firing missiles whose task was to destroy Russian missiles [in mid-air],” Duda said. “Therefore, the Russian side is definitely to blame for yesterday’s incident.”

The Russian Defense Ministry confirmed that it fired a barrage of missiles at Ukrainian command centers and energy infrastructure sites on Tuesday, but said the targets were no closer than 35km (21.7 miles) from the Ukrainian-Polish border.

The ministry also said, according to photos published by the media, the missile that hit Polish territory was from an S-300 air defense system used by Ukraine.

Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said Warsaw would not call for urgent consultations under Article 4 of the NATO Treaty, which are reserved for concerns over individual members’ territorial integrity and sovereignty.

“But the option remains in our hands,” he said, adding that the military, police and border guards had been placed on alert."

‘High probability’ that Ukrainian missile struck Poland – Warsaw — RT Russia & Former Soviet Union


16 Nov, 2022 13:06

HomeRussia & FSU

Biden pins responsibility for Poland missile incident – Reuters

The US president reportedly told his allies that the explosion was caused by a Ukrainian air defense missile.

"US President Joe Biden has said Tuesday’s blast on Polish territory, which killed two civilians, was caused by a Ukrainian air defense missile, Reuters has reported.

The US leader shared the information with his G7 and NATO partners, the news agency wrote on Wednesday, citing an anonymous NATO source.

The incident in the village of Przewodow near the border with Ukraine sparked fears that the Ukraine-Russia conflict could spill over into other nations, as Poland is a NATO member state.

Earlier on Wednesday, Biden said it was “unlikely” that the missile was fired by Russian forces.
“I don’t want to say that until we completely investigate, but it is unlikely, in the minds of the trajectory, that it was fired from Russia. But we’ll see,” he told reporters at the G20 summit in Bali, Indonesia on Wednesday morning, following early consultations with NATO members.

Moscow has denied any involvement in the incident, describing the allegations as “a deliberate provocation” aimed at further escalating the situation. The Russian Defense Ministry said on Wednesday that the country’s military experts analyzed photos of the projectile’s parts published by the media and “identified them as elements of a missile from the S-300 air defense system used by the Air Force of Ukraine.”

The incident occurred during large-scale Russian shelling of Ukrainian energy infrastructure, and Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky was quick to accuse Moscow of striking a NATO member. Russia’s military insists the strikes were carried out only against targets in Ukraine and no closer than 35 kilometers (21.7 miles) from the border with Poland."

https://www.rt.com/russia/566625-bid...issile-poland/

[sabang]

Sure thang, Ambassador snubski. Now leave the adults to talk.

[bsnub]

Sure thang, Ambassador snubski. Now leave the adults to talk.

The retard room is in the doghouse. Return there.

[sabang]

You're a hoot. Dr snubski, busily plotting the dissolution of Russia from his Seattle basement and multi-coloured keyboard. Maybe stick to video games.

[sabang]

.... since the invasion, China’s average monthly trade with Russia has surged by nearly two-thirds, Turkey’s has nearly doubled, and India’s has risen more than threefold, while Russian exports to Brazil have nearly doubled as well. This failure of much of the world to heed Washington’s clarion call to stand up for universal norms stems partly from pique at what’s seen as the West’s presumptuousness. On March 1st, when 20 countries, a number from the European Union, wrote Pakistan’s then-prime minister Imran Khan (who visited Putin soon after the war began), imploring him to support an upcoming General Assembly resolution censuring Russia, he all too typically replied: “What do you think of us? Are we your slaves… [Do you take for granted] that whatever you say we will do?” Had such a letter, he asked, been sent to India?

Similarly, Celso Amorim, who served as Brazil’s foreign minister for seven years during the presidency of Luis Inacio “Lula” de Silva (who will soon reclaim his former job), declared that condemning Russia would amount to obeying Washington’s diktat. For his part, Lula claimed Joe Biden and Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky were partly to blame for the war. They hadn’t worked hard enough to avert it, he opined, by negotiating with Putin. South African President Cyril Ramaphosa blamed Putin’s actions on the way NATO had, since the collapse of the Soviet Union, provocatively expanded toward Russia’s border.

Want More?- https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/11/15/how-russias-war-in-ukraine-has-hurt-efforts-to-fight-climate-change/

[sabang]

the Ukrainian people

Kindly define what that means, in this deeply divided nation.