Ukraine war mega thread

[sabang]

This lascivious fantasizing over the hope that Putin or Lavrov will peremptorily 'pop their clogs' seems a bit strange when it is you that worship old joe at the helm. Be careful what you wish for. It might just come true.

[sabang]

Failed diplomacy led to war in Ukraine. It could happen again over Taiwan as the US goads China


As the war wages on in Ukraine, our hearts go out to the innocent men. women and children who are killed, maimed or displaced by the war


As we agonise over the morality of the war, we naturally attempt to figure out who is culpable for the outbreak of this unnecessary and cruel display of violence.
It is not easy for ordinary people to work through the barrage of information and disinformation that are generated by all sides to the conflict, those that are directly involved as well as those standing on the side fanning the flames of conflict. Ukraine, acting on its own, would not have brought matters to a head. The recently published article by Carpenter indicates how the US, through its assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian Affairs, Victoria Nuland, the US ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt interfered brazenly in Ukrainian affairs during the Maidan Square incident, even down to which political entity should be the next prime minister of the Ukrainian government.

Since the breakup of the Soviet Union, NATO membership has been creeping eastwards with seven Eastern European states formerly under the Soviet sphere of influence becoming members: former Soviet Republics, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania; Warsaw Pact countries, Bulgaria, Romania and Slovakia; and Slovenia. The US and NATO cannot be blind to the fact that Russia under its relatively volatile leader Vladimir Putin was increasingly concerned about it’s security. Ukraine was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Each side attempts to put out narratives to justify their positions, narratives that are part of what the postmodernist philosophers call metanarratives to legitimize their political ideologies and their form of government.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine seen through “the here and the now” based on reports provided by the Western news media, would put all the blame on one side. There was an incident which occurred six decades ago involving the US and Soviet Union that should provide a more balanced perspective. The Cuban Missile Crisis has been mentioned several times before by Pearls and Irritations writers.

In July 1959, a revolution led by Fidel Castro overthrew Fulgencio Batista’s regime to establish a socialist/communist state. This, and the fact that Castro was attempting to export his brand of socialism to other parts of South America alarmed the US government. An invasion of Cuba using Cuban exiles opposed to Castro was planned, financed and directed by the US Central Intelligence Service. The invasion called the Bay of Pigs Invasion proved unsuccessful and was aborted. It drove the Cubans to seek protection and closer ties with the Soviet Union. When Nikita Khrushchev of the Soviet Union made good his promise to protect Cuba by installing ballistic missiles in Cuba, he was confronted by JF Kennedy who threatened to go to war (Oct.1962). Some have said that it was close to a nuclear confrontation. The matter was resolved only when Khushchev backed down; and a compromise was reached whereby in exchange for Russia not placing missile in Cuba, the US would remove its missiles in Turkey and promised not to invade Cuba again. The point to be made here is, how different is this incident from the present crisis in Ukraine?

No amount of the Western media’s clamouring about the fact that no promise was ever made to Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO would not expand eastwards, or that Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not move one inch eastwards referred only to East Germany, will impugn the fact that the US and the West have lent a deaf ear to Putin’s concerns. All they talk about is that a sovereign state has the right to join whatever organisation it chooses. Informed people around the world know that all this is mere propaganda. All this time, goodwill has been absent. Yes, Putin is wrong, cruel, and has miscalculated but if there should be finger pointing, the USA and the West should hold up a mirror to themselves. Putin himself has trotted out propaganda of his own stating how Ukraine is historically, ethnically and culturally Russian. The strange thing about myth creation and propaganda is that after a while, the perpetrators begin to believe it themselves. On that same basis, Putin has invaded Ukraine.

Being a common man, I can only understand the matter by relating it to good neighbourliness. If it is my legal right to plant vegetables in my own garden, I certainly would not plant beans on my common fence with the neighbour knowing that he suffers from allergy to beans, especially if he were a big volatile fellow who is very likely to give me a bloody nose regardless of the fact that he will eventually have to answer to the law for it.

While all this misery is happening in Ukraine, we have another hot conflict waiting to happen closer to home, ie. China and Taiwan, refer Strategists Admit West is Goading China into War. The Western allies through the newly minted band of like minded countries, QUAD and AUKUS, paint China as having territorial ambitions in the region just as the myth of the Domino Theory that spawned the Vietnam War. Estimates put the death toll in that tragedy at between 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 million people, combatants and civilians. This was another case of the perpetrators believing in their own propaganda and acting on it.

Every time a war is over, another country is identified as the enemy, another myth is created, another barrage of propaganda is unleashed and another hot conflict ensues. In order to save ourselves, responsible leaders must break this vicious cycle. Of course it would be difficult. The rich and powerful military industrial complex will not allow it. It is just too PROFITABLE!

Failed diplomacy led to war in Ukraine. It could happen again over Taiwan as the US goads China - Pearls and Irritations

[Norton]

The rich and powerful military industrial complex will not allow it. It is just too PROFITABLE!

True this but while the US tops the list on military expenditures, Russia and China sure as hell are far from spend thrifts.

[sabang]

I just can not think of any other business as good for the few, but bad for the many- as War. Maybe the drug trade?

[david44]

I just can not think of any other business as good for the few, but bad for the many- as War. Maybe the drug trade?

Take a peek around OZ
Coal Mining
The Pokies
Smoking
Fish Farming
TAB
VB
Having a non resident head of state
Gang control of weed
Henny Penny
Maccas
Pine Gap
Meth
Methane producing ranching
Rupert Murdoch

[sabang]

Rupert Murdoch

How dare you! He's an American citizen, who relinquished his orrstralan citizenship long ago, so that he could buy US media assets. Good riddance. Now this foreigner is the biggest owner of our domestic media, and uses it for pernicious effect. They wouldn't allow that in the 'land of the free'.

But you have made me think of another industry that is 'good for the few but bad for the many' that he is highly accomplished in. Tax cheating.

[harrybarracuda]

How dare you! He's an American citizen, who relinquished his orrstralan citizenship long ago, so that he could buy US media assets. Good riddance. Now this foreigner is the biggest owner of our domestic media, and uses it for pernicious effect. They wouldn't allow that in the 'land of the free'.

But you have made me think of another industry that is 'good for the few but bad for the many' that he is highly accomplished in. Tax cheating.

And more foolish off topic wittering from the putin brown noser.

Meanwhile:

The UN General Assembly on Monday adopted a resolution calling for Russia to pay reparations to Ukraine.
Russia should pay the costs of any "internationally wrongful acts", including compensation for those killed and injured, and for humanitarian assistance and the country's eventual reconstruction.

In all, 94 nations supported the resolution, while 73 abstained.

Iran, Mali, Nicaragua, China, North Korea, Belarus, Cuba, the Central African Republic, Ethiopia and Eritrea opposed the resolution.

The non-binding measure was co-sponsored by a dozen nations including the US.

It reaffirmed the General Assembly’s commitment to Ukraine’s “sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity” and repeated its demand for Russia to immediately “cease its use of force against Ukraine”.

Ukraine’s ambassador to the UN Sergiy Kyslytsya reminded member states that 77 years ago the Soviet Union demanded and received reparations, calling it a “moral right of a country that has suffered war and occupation."”

Today, Mr Kyslytsya said, Ukraine will have the “daunting task” of rebuilding and recovering from the war.

“We will restore every house, every street, every city," Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy vowed in a video address in March.

“You will reimburse us for everything you did against our state, against every Ukrainian, in full."

Experts have estimated that the damages range between $700 billion and a projected $1 trillion.

In the past, reparations have been paid after hostilities ended by the aggressor country, for example Germany after the First World War and Japan after the Second World War.

UN approves resolution for Russia to pay reparations to Ukraine

Obviously they should start by taking all the money Putin and his cronies have stolen - in fact that would probably cover the bill.

[sabang]

What if they start with the money that clownboy and his cronies have pilfered?

[bsnub]

What if they start with the money that clownboy and his cronies have pilfered?

When are you going to make a post relevant to the war in Ukraine rather than spewing nonsense? Trash about Taiwan has no place in this thread. Literally every post you have made on this page is a distraction.

[harrybarracuda]

What if they start with the money that clownboy and his cronies have pilfered?

That's what I said.

Obviously they should start by taking all the money Putin and his cronies have stolen

[harrybarracuda]

When are you going to make a post relevant to the war in Ukraine rather than spewing nonsense? Trash about Taiwan has no place in this thread. Literally every post you have made on this page is a distraction.

Taiwan? Erm... Put a bit more water in it snubby. you and sabang aren't in a race.

[bsnub]

Taiwan? Erm... Put a bit more water in it snubby. you and sabang aren't in a race.

Did you miss the rambling trash at the top of the page he posted?

[harrybarracuda]

Did you miss the rambling trash at the top of the page he posted?

Oh sorry, I just get used to the fact that they post pages of dreary cut and paste nonsense and just ignore it.

[panama hat]

Now he's on about if China invades Australia it's because they have been invited to do so due to Australia's economic policies.

[harrybarracuda]

Now he's on about if China invades Australia it's because they have been invited to do so due to Australia's economic policies.

He is, as he puts it, a bonehead.

[bsnub]

Russia breaks 80-year-old record of most military retreats in one year, previously held by France

https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Not/stat...00992527151104

[HermantheGerman]

Hey Sabong and OhOh,
can you guys tell us something about his T-Shirt, watch and smart phone?

[harrybarracuda]

Russia breaks 80-year-old record of most military retreats in one year, previously held by France

Fucking hell, you've got to go some to out-retreat the cheese eating surrender monkeys

[OhOh]

In the past, reparations have been paid after hostilities ended by the aggressor country, for example Germany after the First World War and Japan after the Second World War.

Try the including the most by far countries.

One awaits NaGaStan/NATO/EU/UK repatriation for their post WWII illegal wars.

14 Nov, 2022 20:22

HomeWorld News

UN calls on Russia to pay Ukraine reparations.

"Russia's Permanent Representative to the UN, Vassily Nebenzia, speaking on the topic of the resolution, called it a legally insignificant document.

“At the same time, the co-authors cannot help but realize that the adoption of such a resolution will entail consequences that can boomerang back to them,” Nebenzia said.

UN calls on Russia to pay Ukraine reparations — RT World News

[bsnub]

A Strategic Strip Of Sand. Rumors Of Ukrainian Raids. As Russian Forces Retreat, Keep An Eye On The Kinburn Spit.

The Kinburn Spit is a narrow finger of sand and scrub, barely three miles long, that juts from the wider Kinburn Peninsula into the Black Sea at the mouth of the Dnipro River south of Kherson. It and the adjacent peninsula also are the last parts of Ukraine’s Mykolaiv Oblast that remain under Russian occupation.

Don’t expect that to last. The Kremlin on Wednesday ordered its battered forces on the right bank of the Dnipro to retreat to the river’s opposite bank.

The order came six months after Ukrainian brigades, re-armed with European howitzers and American rocket-launchers, began bombarding Russian supply lines in the south—and two months after those same brigades launched a counteroffensive aimed at liberating Mykolaiv and Kherson Oblasts.

The Ukrainians have the Kinburn Spit in their sights. They’ve got the troops, the equipment … and a plan.

Russian troops seized the Kinburn Spit in mid-June as Russian advances in the south—having already overwhelmed Kherson city—ran into stiff resistance a few miles south of Mykolaiv city. Capturing the spit would turn out to be one of the Russian army’s last victories in the south. The four-month Ukrainian counterlogistics campaign that preceded Ukraine’s southern counteroffensive already was underway.

Kinburn matters. Russian control of the sandy strip “will allow them to exert further control of the Black Sea coast,” the Institute for the Study of War in Washington, D.C. explained in June. For the Ukrainians, Kinburn is a back door—a way to get forces onto the left bank of the Dnipro without crossing the river, likely while under fire.

As far back as April, U.K. intelligence agents were advising their government to support Ukrainian forces in any future attempt to “conduct beach reconnaissance” on the Kinburn Spit. The recon could “Identify good landing locations for a larger assault force for a future counterattack,” the agents explained in a presentation that later leaked to the press.

It’s possible Ukrainian special operations forces riding in rigid-hull inflatable boats began reconnoitering the spit as early as September. In October, video circulated online reportedly depicting the Ukrainian navy’s last remaining big ship, the 240-foot amphibious vessel Yuri Olefirenko, apparently firing rockets at Russian forces on or near the spit.

The Ukrainian military’s southern command on Saturday announced its intention to liberate Kinburn. Within a day, there were videos online possibly depicting Ukrainian commandos riding toward the spit in their small boats.

If and when the Ukrainians land in force on Kinburn, the odds should favor them. “With the recent advances in Kherson, this is well within massed artillery range,” explained Mike Martin, a fellow at the Department of War Studies at King's College in London. And to be clear, he means Ukrainian artillery.

“The Russians are finding it very hard to hold” in Kherson and Mykolaiv, Martin added. The Kilburn Spit could be the next piece of Ukraine they give up.

Make note that the Ukrainian last remaining big ship is an amphibious landing craft. It can carry 12 BMP-2s or 4 main battle tanks, as well as 250 combat troops. It was last seen in action just two weeks ago...

https://twitter.com/SmartUACat/statu...41772133228544

Now we have further confirmations that the Russians are retreating from the spit and video of Ukrainian SOF units crossing the Dnieper. Furthermore, we have an announcement that the Russians are also retreating from Zaliznyi Port...

The enemy is urgently evacuating the earlier brought russian civilian personnel from the city of Zaliznyi Port to Skadovsk. Wait, is something going on, or what?

https://twitter.com/maria_drutska/st...11390282977281

If these reports turn out to be credible, and I do think they are, then that would mean that the Ukrainians are on the left bank of the Dnieper and are seizing ground.

[hallelujah]

This lascivious fantasizing over the hope that Putin or Lavrov will peremptorily 'pop their clogs' seems a bit strange when it is you that worship old joe at the helm. Be careful what you wish for. It might just come true.

Do you not think you've humiliated yourself enough on this thread already?

If I were you, I'd call it a day, fuck off and hope this thread sinks into obscurity.

Do you enjoy being snubby's bitch or something?

[sabang]

^^ So important, it was worth saying twice? Anyway, welcome to WW1-


UKRAINIAN FORCES LOSING POSITIONS IN BELOGOROVKA, DONETSK PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC


Ukrainian Forces Losing Positions In Belogorovka, Donetsk People's RepublicSouth Front

^ With Russia occupying near 20% of Ukraine, and having lost an untold amount of it's GDP, population and electricity grid, I think your bitch squeals are a bit premature.

[bsnub]

UKRAINIAN FORCES LOSING POSITIONS IN BELOGOROVKA

Quoting a Russian propaganda site. You really are a laughable moron. If you really want to see what is going on in that area, look at Svatove just to the north, where the Ukrainians are on the verge of a breakthrough. Russian propaganda always trys to distract from something bigger going on, Sabang is too dumb to understand that.



Starving, Freezing, Getting Shot At By Their Own Regiment—No Wonder These Russian Draftees Surrendered

[misskit]

Need we put fake news sites here?

SouthFront - Wikipedia

Not to mention no need to put it in huge type like a child.

[sabang]

It is not a fake news site. It is pro-Russian. I reduced the headline type to "4" from "5", and did not bother with posting the whole article snubstyle- because intelligent posters are quite capable of following a simple link themselves. I trust that pleases Her Majesty.