Ukraine war mega thread

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Yesterday was rough for the Putin knob gobblers. What is in store for today?

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[HermantheGerman]

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Let’s use Occams Razor on this one.
Name the one country that would benefit most and almost solely from the destruction of the pipelines destruction?
Now that was not hard was it.

Maybe you got it all wrong AGAIN?

Maybe we are just trying to tell Putler that we can shut down his gas station anytime anywhere
Maybe Putler is still scratching his head trying to figure out what happened.

[Iceman123]

Maybe you got it all wrong.

Maybe not

[Iceman123]

Yesterday was rough for the Putin knob gobblers. What is in store for today?

No point asking us, you just ignore and berate everyone that is not a US flag waving loon like yourself.

Well, what is the news today from the “mother of all basements?”

[david44]

“mother of all basements?”

Tipping the velvet underground , eh.

Very few who have served or been civilians in a conflict zone wish to start another, the accommodations found in Kosovo Iraq, Ireland ,Sudan, RSA, Bosnia however imperfect show that jaw jaw is better than war war.

This conflict has made the UN look very weak, it invaded Korea to resist the reds yet barely sanctions Russia which is invited to G20 etc.

Crimea is going to be a big obstacle with neither side wishing to yield to the other, the creative solution for the Greek and tatars etc who live there would be an independent state.

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No point asking us, you just ignore and berate everyone that is not a US flag waving loon like yourself.

Not quite like that, but you are cool with genocide and mass graves. I am not. As soon as things started looking bad for Ukraine earlier this year, you came in here to carry water for your boyfriend Sabang. Cheerleading about how Russia was going to win the war. Pretty reprehensible chickenshit behavior. I held the line and took the abuse of you lowlifes, all the while proclaiming that Ukraine would win in the end. History is proving me right.

Well, what is the news today from the “mother of all basements?”

You seem to have a fetish for "moms" and "basements" I do not know if that is a testimony to a sick childhood or your lack of originality.

Slava Ukraini.

[David48atTD]

Name the one country that would benefit most and almost solely from the destruction of the pipelines destruction?

Norway?

Norwegian pipeline gas exports in the first nine months of 2022 totaled 84 Bcm, up by almost 6 Bcm year on year, and Norway is now Europe's single biggest gas supplier.4 Oct 2022

Are you implying that Norway damaged the pipes?

[sabang]

Yesterday was rough for the Putin knob gobblers

How? I'm not going to bother you with war kiddyporn, but Russian troops took over some chickenshit village, and a Ukrainian sabotage team was wiped out near the Zapo nuclear plane (again!). What is this bad news for Putin groupies?

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Norway?

Bastards!!!!

[pickel]

a Ukrainian sabotage team was wiped out near the Zapo nuclear plane (again!)

Does Putin think if he just keeps telling that lie people will eventually believe it?

What is this bad news for Putin groupies?

Pretty sure links have been posted already. But here you go. Russia appears to have another frigate out of action.

[sabang]

^ You decide.

Russian Military Wiped Out Ukrainian Sabotage Group Near Zaporozhye Nuclear Plant (Video)South Front

[sabang]

The refugee crisis is exacerbating Ukraine’s irreversible demographic decline, which began in the Soviet era.

Kyiv, Ukraine – Halyna Tarasevych is not coming back home to Kyiv.

The 38-year-old fled Ukraine with her two children in March, weeks after the Russian invasion began.


They spent three months in an overcrowded refugee centre in neighbouring Moldova until Switzerland granted them asylum.

The children, 12-year-old Olena and seven-year-old Mykola, recently started school. They are surrounded by caring teachers and classmates who help them adapt to a German-language education.

“They like it here. We’ve seen so much kindness,” Tarasevych, who has an art history degree, told Al Jazeera.

Back in the Ukrainian capital, she had helped her husband Oleh run a stationery shop.



Oleh still works in the shop but will join his family as soon as Ukraine starts letting men aged between 18 and 60 out of the country.
Unlike millions of other Ukrainians uprooted by the war, the Tarasevyches have not lost their comfortable three-bedroom apartment or jobs. Thankfully, none of their relatives or friends have been killed in the conflict.

But they are committed to a new life in Switzerland.

“There’s no future in Ukraine,” Oleh told Al Jazeera, citing corruption and the economic free-fall that may shrink Ukraine’s gross domestic product (GDP) by a third this year.

His shop was not particularly profitable before the war and switching to another business was risky, he said.

He remembers basic, rudimentary German from his school days and is ready to spend the rest of his life working low-paying, menial jobs in Switzerland for the sake of his children’s future.

“All the best – to the children,” he said citing a Soviet-era slogan.

Lost millions

The emigration of the Tarasevych family is indicative of Ukraine’s dire demographic crisis, which began decades before the war.
At the dawn of independence in 1991, Ukraine’s population stood at 52 million.

The current official figure is 43 million, but the statistics are widely understood to be far from true.

The last census took place in 2001 and the current figures include more than 2 million in annexed Crimea, as well as several million in two separatist statelets – the Donetsk and Luhansk “people’s republics” in the southeast.

Before the war, at least 8 million Ukrainians worked in Europe full or part-time, thanks to the visa-free policy. It had also been relatively easy to obtain a work visa.

Many worked as seasonal farmhands, drivers, construction workers or cashiers and came home only for Easter or Christmas.
With each paycheque, they would set aside enough money for a new house or apartment in their hometown or village.

In nations such as Poland, where millions of young Poles moved westward, becoming the proverbial “Polish plumbers”, Ukrainians saw an opportunity in the shortage of blue-collar jobs.

And some young Ukrainians, familiar with life in the European Union, are now determined to build careers in the bloc.

“He visited Germany at 16 and told me right away: ‘I’m learning German and going to a university there’,” Kyiv resident Kateryna Mikhaylenko said of her 19-year-old son Aleksander.

These days, Aleksander studies civil engineering at Hamburg University. He has a Montenegrin girlfriend and a part-time job at a bowling alley.

He calls his parents at least once a day.

“Thank God for WhatsApp,” said his father Mikhaylenko, who earns less than $20 a day working at a grocery store.

Higher wages?

The war in Ukraine has fuelled the largest European refugee crisis since World War II.

According to the United Nations, 7.7 million refugees from Ukraine have been registered across Europe since the war began, with most arriving in Poland.

But Ukraine’s irreversible demographic decline began in the Soviet era and stems from the catastrophic loss of population during World War II as well as rapid urbanisation.

According to the World Bank, Ukraine’s 2020 birth rate was 1.22 children per 1,000 woman, one of the world’s lowest.

By comparison, the global average rate was 2.2 and 1.4 in Canada, 1.51 in Russia, 1.56 in the United Kingdom and 2.21 in Peru.
Ukraine’s rate makes natural population growth seem impossible and an ageing population will further exacerbate the post-war economic recovery, experts say.

“The return of refugees en masse is correlated to the war situation and, in the long term, to the strategy of economic development,” Aleksey Kushch, a Kyiv-based analyst, told Al Jazeera.

Ukraine needs a repatriation programme, but this is unfeasible without a booming economy, he said.

The boom is only possible if the entire economic model is reconsidered because Ukraine’s financial elites are too used to living off grain and steel exports, he said.

“Otherwise, a demographic crisis awaits Ukraine – a population of less than 30 million, 10 million of whom are retired,” Kushch concluded.

However, another observer said the shortage of working-age people could prove economically beneficial.

“Wages will be up for those who stay thanks to the deficit at the job market,” Nikolay Mitrokhin, a researcher at Germany’s Bremen University, told Al Jazeera.

Still somewhat “archaic”, the economy will have to be modernised, especially in the agriculture sector, where the shortage of farmhands is still high, he added.

No home to return to

A Russian bomb hit Maksim Kolesnikov’s apartment building on March 26, a week after he, his mother, wife and daughter had left the besieged southern city of Mariupol.

These days, Mariupol is under Russian occupation and Kolesnikov does not know for how long.

His family have settled in a tiny Polish village outside Krakow.

They live in one room and are mostly “bored and squabbling all day”, he said.

“But boredom is better than death,” the 49-year-old lawyer, who moonlights as a cabbie in Kyiv, told Al Jazeera.

He is ready to join them as soon as the borders open because restarting life from scratch in Kyiv is not an option.

Lawyers in the capital are very territorial and finding a good job without connections is nearly impossible, he said.

“I’ll never be able to earn enough for a new apartment,” he said with calm desperation.

In the grips of war, Ukraine faces bleak demographic future | Russia-Ukraine war News | Al Jazeera

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How?

You really do live in a bubble don't you?

a Ukrainian sabotage team was wiped out near the Zapo nuclear plane (again!)

There never has been any Ukrainian attacks on that plant. It is fake news propaganda put out by the Russian MOD and you are a big enough of a moron to fall for their horseshit.

ussia appears to have another frigate out of action.

The got the other flagship, the Admiral Makarov too.

Russia’s Black Sea flagship damaged in Crimea drone attack, video suggests | Russia | The Guardian

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MAKING HISTORY: UKR's innovative small, unmanned surface vessels (USVs) conducted naval warfare’s first remotely actuated surface battle. Directed by Beyond Line of Sight (BLOS) man-in-the loop control, these USVs can be maneuvered on recon, surveillance and attack missions.

[misskit]

^ That looks like something MacGyver made.

[bsnub]

That looks like something MacGyver made.

Ukrainian ingenuity will go down in the history books when this war is over!

The video that pickle posted of the thing as it kept moving forward as the helicopter frantically shot at it from the sky is just incredible!

[sabang]

The population of Ukraine was falling even before the war. What a sad State.

[harrybarracuda]

The population of Ukraine was falling even before the war. What a sad State.

I'm going to assume you don't think that's because Putin has been supporting insurrection in the eastern provinces for going on a decade.

Well really you just don't think.

[bsnub]

Russia is even worse off than Ukraine demographically.

[misskit]

Exactly. I don’t understand why sabang would crow about that. Russia is so bad off they have stolen Ukrainian children to be adopted by Russians.

[panama hat]

Pretty sure links have been posted already. But here you go. Russia appears to have another frigate out of action.

Beautiful to see

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[Iceman123]

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Oh FFS,do you believe in Santa as well. Now that couldn't possibly could be propaganda.

[HermantheGerman]

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Oh FFS,do you believe in Santa as well. Now that couldn't possibly could be propaganda.

Why are you laughing? It's all over the news and actually nothing new.
They did the same thing in other wars, Afghanistan WW II.
Russians have this thing about killing their own men. Shoot them, poison, torture, jumping out of joy out of windows, jail etc.