Ukraine war mega thread

[helge]

Is this just a Russian thang, or does the same thing apply to the Americans?

Keep it simple, Sabang.....

Oh, look it is the moron who has no response, so he resorts to a pathetic whataboutism. You really are pathetic bozo.

Is this QED material ?

[bsnub]

Is this QED material ?

Is it? I wouldn't know, is that what you discuss in your knitting class, Rambo? When you return my balls.

[OhOh]

Not reading a lot of sources, still this might be the first ukranian millitary material loss, that I have heard of in 8 month

It appears that Russia has been out of missiles for the past 8 months. They have finally built one more missile.

Look for another missile being ready for use some time, possibly by Easter 2023.

Just some of the admitted Ukrainian aircraft lost s

Some of them shot down by Ukraine missiles. Russia hasn't had them, according to the 16%'s media.

But Ukraine have near air superiority now.

A source for your assertion would be useful.

[sabang]

^ No doubt.



On October 28th, the Russian Ministry of Defence reported that the Ukrainian military launched offensive operations in all war-torn regions. All the Ukrainian attacks were repelled and resulted in heavy losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The Ukrainian offensive operations took place in the Kharkov and Kherson regions, Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics but resulted in no gains by the Ukrainian military.

In the Kupyansk direction, the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) attacked Russian military positions near the village of Berestovoye in the Kharkiv region. The attack was carried out by forces of a reinforced battalion. As a result of the fire damage inflicted by Russian artillery on the advancing troops, more than 150 Ukrainian servicemen, one tank, five infantry fighting vehicles, four armored personnel carriers and nine pickups were destroyed.

Russian SU-34 is bombing enemy positions at extremely low altitude:

In the area of Krasny Liman, two battalion tactical groups of the AFU launched another offensive towards the village of Chervonopopovka in the Luhansk People’s Republic. The AFU attempted to cut off the road between Svatovo and Kremennaya. The attack was repelled by Russian forces. Artillery fire and strikes by Russian warplanes destroyed more than 50 Ukrainian servicemen, two tanks, three armored fighting vehicles and two cars.

A group of Ukrainian saboteurs armed with American FGM-148 Javelin were discovered by Russian forces and destroyed by a mortar shot in the area of Krasny Liman:

On the Donetsk front lines, a company tactical group of the AFU attacked Russian military positions near the village of Vremevka located 30 kilometers to the west from Ugledar. As a result of actions of Russian units and artillery fire, the AFU were pushed back to their positions. As a result of the failed operation, more than 30 Ukrainian servicemen, one tank, two armored fighting vehicles and one pickup truck were destroyed.

Russian artillery units destroyed another Ukrainian stronghold in the Ugledar direction:

In the Kherson region, Russian artillery fire and strikes by Russian warplanes defeated the reserves of Ukrainian troops advancing from the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog directions, as well as sabotage groups which were operating along the front lines. More than 180 Ukrainian servicemen, eight armored fighting vehicles and six cars were destroyed.

The Ukrainian military continues offensive operations by small assault groups along the front lines in the Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions. The attacks are likely aimed at weakening Russian defenses, as well as combat reconnaissance amid the ongoing preparations for large-scale offensive operations. The attacks continue in all regions, so the Russian military could not identify the area of another large-scale offensive. Such tactics of the Ukrainian military command leads to large losses in manpower. Kiev has already stated that the ranks of the Ukrainian army need to be replenished with new servicemen. Mobilization continues throughout the country.

Ukrainian Forces Attempt Offensives On All Front Lines But FailSouth Front

Does this million man army that Zelensky talks about mean a million dead men?

[harrybarracuda]

the Russian Ministry of Defence reported

Yes and they also reported some bullshit about a dirty bomb, you witless simian.

[Takeovers]

A source for your assertion would be useful.

Ukraine flies attacks in the contested regions regularly. Russian planes get shot down, as soon as they enter contested airspace. They mostly get up, shoot medium range air to ground missiles from russian airspace and return to their base inside Russia.

[Iceman123]

The West has free press. You can choose if you want sanitised or unsanitised versions, and there are plenty of the latter that tell the truth.

If you believe that hogwash you’re getting to Bsnub’s level of dumb

Nord Stream: US professor hauled off air over pipeline sabotage accusation | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

[panama hat]

Is this just a Russian thang, or does the same thing apply to the Americans?

This is about Russia invading Ukraine, take your fuckwitisms elsewhere for a change

[bsnub]

If you believe that hogwash you’re getting to Bsnub’s level of dumb

Oh look, the dumber than dog shit Putin apologist chimes in after months of not posting in this thread after it became clear that Russia is losing the war.

[david44]

Good long analysis

Will Putin use Belarus to attack Ukraine? | The Spectator

[Iceman123]

Oh look, the dumber than dog shit Putin apologist chimes in after months of not posting in this thread after it became clear that Russia is losing the war.

If you view me as a Putin apologist, then you clearly have no idea about me.
I accept that my pov’s are significantly different to yours, probably because I examine all sides of the debate/argument.

Being a dumb one trick pony is nothing to shout about, however it doesn’t stop you.

[bsnub]

If you view me as a Putin apologist, then you clearly have no idea about me.

You came in here for months to white knight for your buddy Sabang. Taunting anyone that supported Ukraine and celebrating that in your own words "Russia was winning". When the tide turned, as I consistently explained it would, you flounced. Now you are back and being a dumb twit again.

I accept that my pov’s are significantly different to yours, probably because I examine all sides of the debate/argument.

The video you posted that you claimed was "worth the watch" was nothing more than propaganda for idiots. If you can not disseminate propaganda and lies from opinion, then I feel sorry for you old man.

Being a dumb one trick pony is nothing to shout about

probably because I examine all sides of the debate/argument.

This war is pretty cut and dry. You are either on the side of freedom and democracy, or you are an accessory to mass murder and genocide. Even a grovelling idiot like you should be able to figure that out.

[sabang]

You are either on the side of freedom and democracy, or you are an accessory to mass murder and genocide.

Have you been asleep for 20 years snubs? This is not the invasion of Iraq mark 2. The whole world knows what bullshit that is now anyway.

The sort of 'freedom and democracy' the current Ukrainian government represents is no better than the 'freedom and democracy' you brought to Iraq.

The adults in the room are talking about ways towards peace, not throwing the Ukrainian people under the bus to fight your proxy war against Russia.

[bsnub]

Have you been asleep for 20 years snubs? This is not the invasion of Iraq mark 2.

Another of your blathering idiotic whataboutism.

This is about a fascist dictator that invaded a democratic, sovereign nation without provocation. The dictator is on record stating that that sovereign nation is not legitimate and that its people do not have the right to exist. He wants to erase them.

You are an insufferably stupid imbecile who like your sidekick iceman have a bit of a chip on your shoulder, so much so that you will turn a blind eye to mass murder and genocide.

Freedom and liberty are values that the Ukrainians consider worth dying for and your empty dictatorships are on the brink of failure, as are your shit narratives. The time is up for your bankrupt ideology.

Putin is having his ass handed to him on a plate.

[sabang]

a fascist dictator that invaded a democratic, sovereign nation without provocation

its people do not have the right to exist

Freedom and liberty are values that the Ukrainians consider worth dying for

Putin is having his ass handed to him on a plate.

OK Mr Cheney.

[Hugh Cow]

When countries start to abuse their minorities, all deals are off.

If you think that the ukrainian nationalists are pure as newly fallen snow, I understand what you are saying, but they are not.

Maybe you should read the history between Russia and Ukraine over the last 100 years if you want to see who has abused who. Russia is responsible for the starvation of nearly 4 million Ukrainians (Holodmor) and the execution of many of its intellectuals.
“Holodomor,” a combination of the Ukrainian words for hunger (holod) and extermination (mor).
The soviet government repopulated empty villages due to that starvation with Russians and attempted to erase nearly all parts of Ukrainian language and culture. Even grave markers were banned. Little wonder that some sided with the Nazis in WW2 who some saw as liberators and the lesser of two evils.
These persecuted ethnic Russian in Ukraine all still speak Russian and wish to be educated in Russian. Most democratic countries expect citizens to learn that countries language and expect its citizens to be educated in the local language and learn local history and culture.
Stalin was recently voted by Russians as most outstanding person in world history. That alone shows something about the Russian psyche and the sanitised view of history they are taught, but given the horrendous crimes committed by Russian soviets in Ukraine, Poland etc since 1917, it would be understandable if there is some voluntary amnesia by its govt and citizens.
Maybe you could read "Red Famine" by Pulitzer prize winning author, Anne Applebaum.
Putins logic of annexation could be applied anywhere. Australia's population is 5.5% chinese. If they all lived in the Northern Territory they would be approx 80% of the population and the dominant culture. Should Chinese become the official language? Would that give them the right to vote to have the the territory annexed by China?

[bsnub]

OK Mr Cheney.

You are a bottom feeding lowlife, pure and simple. This war was started by Putin and not anyone else.

Maybe you should read the history between Russia and Ukraine over the last 100 years if you want to see who has abused who.

These bozos are not free thinkers. They are useful idiots here to push Putin's agenda.

[helge]

Maybe you should read the history between Russia and Ukraine over the last 100 years if you want to see who has abused who. Russia is responsible for the starvation of nearly 4 million Ukrainians (Holodmor) and the execution of many of its intellectuals.
“Holodomor,” a combination of the Ukrainian words for hunger (holod) and extermination (mor).
The soviet government repopulated empty villages due to that starvation with Russians and attempted to erase nearly all parts of Ukrainian language and culture. Even grave markers were banned. Little wonder that some sided with the Nazis in WW2 who some saw as liberators and the lesser of two evils.
These persecuted ethnic Russian in Ukraine all still speak Russian and wish to be educated in Russian. Most democratic countries expect citizens to learn that countries language and expect its citizens to be educated in the local language and learn local history and culture.
Stalin was recently voted by Russians as most outstanding person in world history. That alone shows something about the Russian psyche and the sanitised view of history they are taught, but given the horrendous crimes committed by Russian soviets in Ukraine, Poland etc since 1917, it would be understandable if there is some voluntary amnesia by its govt and citizens.
Maybe you could read "Red Famine" by Pulitzer prize winning author, Anne Applebaum.
Putins logic of annexation could be applied anywhere. Australia's population is 5.5% chinese. If they all lived in the Northern Territory they would be approx 80% of the population and the dominant culture. Should Chinese become the official language? Would that give them the right to vote to have the the territory annexed by China?

Good post and all

Only:

I fail to see what Ukraine's past as a down throdden region in zarist Russia or the SU has to do with the problems of today.

Except maybe the lesson learnt that you should treat your minorities as good as you would expect other nations to treat you, if in a minority.

Australia's population is 5.5% chinese. If they all lived in the Northern Territory they would be approx 80% of the population and the dominant culture. Should Chinese become the official language? Would that give them the right to vote to have the the territory annexed by China?

I'm sure that you would allow them their own free press, culture etc.

If not....?

Due to the world knowing your history in genocide, I reckon that the chinese or someone else would step in

[bsnub]

I fail to see what Ukraine's past as a down throdden region in zarist Russia or the SU has to do with the problems of today.

Game. Set. Match. That is the second most ignorant post made in this thread, after the 100+ posts Sabang made claiming that Russia would never invade. These useful idiots never fail to bring a barrel of laughs.

Except maybe the lesson learnt that you should treat your minorities as good as you would expect other nations to treat you, if in a minority.

[helge]

^
Nothing constructive to add ?


No, as always just The Emperor's new Clothes.

[misskit]

UN steps up satellite tracking of damage to Ukraine culture

The United Nations' cultural and satellite agencies have joined forces to more systematically track the impact of Russia’s invasion on Ukraine’s architecture, art, historic buildings and other cultural heritage, and have compiled an initial list of more than 200 sites that have been damaged or destroyed.


Geneva-based UNOSAT and UNESCO, the Paris-based educational, scientific and cultural agency, announced Wednesday that they are finalizing a database of cultural sites that compares “before and after” images bought from private-sector satellite companies. These will be used to inform experts in a first phase and eventually the wider public about the devastation wreaked on Ukraine's patrimony.


“It’s important for us to document the damage, but also to make sure we have the information available before the recovery,” said Krista Pikkat, who heads the culture and emergencies department at UNESCO.


She said early work began months ago. “We actually realized that, this wealth of information, we needed to put it on a platform for our experts so that we can monitor the situation.”


While, as of Wednesday, some 205 sites were listed, none of Ukraine's seven UNESCO “World Heritage Sites” — a listing of some of the world's greatest cultural artifacts and heritage — had been affected.


Building on systems already used in places like Syria, whose war ravaged historic sites, monuments and artifacts, UNESCO said it first tracks Ukrainian culture ministry alerts about damage to cultural sites. Then, it cross-checks those findings with social media and other sources, and then — if warranted — calls on UNOSAT to try to get relevant satellite pictures.


Weather, namely cloud cover, can hamper the effort.


The sites with verified damage are plotted on a digital map — with virtual red pins to mark the impact spots — and included in a searchable database to help experts trace the devastation. Ultimately, cultural experts from UNESCO and their associates strive to visit the sites to get a first-hand look — often a tough if not impossible task in a war zone.


Areas like Mariupol in the south, the region around the capital Kyiv, and the eastern Donetsk region were littered with red dots in a demonstration of the database on Wednesday.


UNESCO experts have had no access to areas held by Russian forces or Russian-backed separatists, such as in Mariupol — whose battered remains fell into Russian control after a desperate holdout by Ukrainian forces earlier this year.


The joint effort amounts to the latest step in the painstaking process by many U.N. and other national and international organizations to keep tabs on the fallout since President Vladimir Putin ordered Russian forces to invade on Feb. 24.


The hunt for the impact on culture adds to efforts by prosecutors, human rights experts, refugee agencies and others to document the devastation from the conflict on lives and livelihoods.


UN steps up satellite tracking of damage to Ukraine culture

[harrybarracuda]

If you believe that hogwash you’re getting to Bsnub’s level of dumb

Nord Stream: US professor hauled off air over pipeline sabotage accusation | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

So from the link you posted:

“I would bet (the explosion) was a US action, perhaps US and Poland,” he said.
Bloomberg host Tom Keene quickly interjected, asking Prof Sachs to produce evidence for his claims.

“Jeff, we’ve got to stop there,” he said. “Why do you feel that was a US action? What evidence do you have of that?”
Prof Sachs said radars detecting US helicopters in the area, coupled with key statements made by the White House regarding Russia’s stranglehold on European energy supplies, led him to make the conclusion.

I mean I know you're a bit thick and all, but anyone who thinks these pipelines were blown up by helicopters is a sandwich or two short of a picnic.

Presumably you believed Putin when he said the Ukrainians were going to detonate a dirty bomb on their own soil.

It seems you're projecting again when you try and call anyone "dumb".

[helge]

I mean I know you're a bit thick and all, but anyone who thinks these pipelines were blown up by helicopters is a sandwich or two short of a picnic.

I think you got something there, Harry

The pipes probably wasn't blown up by helicopters, but the suspicion is that they were used, when the charges were detonated.

[docmartin]

FFS why isn’t the information about the pipeline breaks public ?
It’s not rocket science - they were internal explosions (methane hydrates) or external explosions (bad guys).

[sabang]

^ It is quite deliberately being suppressed. I'll give you one guess why.