Ukraine war mega thread

[bsnub]

A picture of Tucker Carlson, epic scumbag and the number one Russian shill in America. Definitely one of Sabang's ilk.

[sabang]

[Iceman123]

Worth watching

[panama hat]

Ukraine Says It Needs More Guns, Shells, and Firepower

Russia needs tanks, soldiers, planes, drones etc... - what a fuck-up of monumental proportions that makes the Russian armed forces look as shit as the Soviet ones - fuck 'em.

Superpower. If it weren't for their nukes they'd be middling - fuck 'em, primitive apes.

A picture of Tucker Carlson, epic scumbag and the number one Russian shill in America. Definitely one of Sabang's ilk.

That would have made sabang scratch some itches for sure

[panama hat]

This isn't complicated...

Not for you and simpletons like you . . .

Worth watching

'The western media says Ukraine's forces are on the doors of Moscow'. WFT??? If his diatribe starts like that then the rest is also just that - crap. It'd be interesting to know where he gets his numbers from.

This guy is full of shit, sorry.

[misskit]

^^
The Redpill Grifter Who Became an Anti-Ukraine Propagandist - The Bulwark

[panama hat]

Figures

[Iceman123]

This guy is full of shit, sorry.

We have to examine all points of view and on that basis form an unbiased opinion. If all we do is soak up the sanitized western version we will be unable to see the full picture. We have to be students not followers.

[docmartin]

Fair enough but why two threads about the war ?
Isn’t there enough division in the world already ? ;-)

[misskit]

One is for news only. This one has opinions.

[docmartin]

Didn’t the Donald say that those two are the same now ?

[sabang]

The Opinion of the Establishment, and thus MSM, they try to present to you as News. The Opinion of the 'Other' they pass off as Propaganda. Brave new world.

[panama hat]

We have to examine all points of view and on that basis form an unbiased opinion. If all we do is soak up the sanitized western version we will be unable to see the full picture. We have to be students not followers.

I agree. At the same time we needn't clog up our info-intake with clearly unadulterated rubbish, like the video.
As I said, if someone starts off with 'the western media' then that's a red flag as 'western media' is as varied as Russian and Chinese media is government sanctioned propaganda.

He then follows up with saying that this 'western media' says Ukraine's forces are on Moscow's doorstep. This is the first I've heard and I've not even heard or seen our three halfwits try to shove this narrative.

So, yes. You are right in that we have to examine points, but not all. I read local, Brit, German, Malaysian and French papers and articles . . . that is broad enough to form an opinion, I believe, as not everything non-Russian/China-Chinese is anti-Russian/China-Chinese.

Then you get this shit:

The Opinion of the Establishment, and thus MSM, they try to present to you as News. The Opinion of the 'Other' they pass off as Propaganda. Brave new world.

Swallowed hook, line and sinker from Trumpist vomit.

[misskit]

Brave New World Under Russian Occupation

In Ukraine’s occupied city of Berdyansk, Russian police will check phones for subscriptions to ‘Kyiv propaganda’

The Russian-installed administration in the occupied Ukrainian city of Berdyansk, located in Zaporizhzhia, has announced that it’ll start “selective preemptive checks” of the locals’ phones.


The police conducting the checks will look for subscriptions to what the occupation authorities call the “propagandist resources of the terrorist Kyiv regime.” This refers to local Telegram news channels like Berdyansk.Now, Occupied Berdyansk, Vaseline, “and others in that category.” Residents subscribed to these or similar channels will be “immediately suspect,” since


every one of these resources calls citizens to espionage and terrorism against Russia and the regions that reunited with it — Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, DNR, and LNR.
People whose phones are subscribed to pro-Ukrainian channels will receive a formal warning; in the future, they may be fined or prosecuted for a crime.


The administration explains the checks as necessary under martial law, introduced by Russia’s President Vladimir Putin in the formally-annexed Zaporizhzhia region. The announcement also mentions the Russian “foreign agent” law that affects people under “foreign influence,” and the criminal laws concerning “discrediting” the Russian army, and other “activities undermining the state.”


The Russian-installed regional administration of Zaporizhzhia has not yet formally announced any similar measures. Still, Vladimir Rogov, previously identified as a member of Zaporizhzhia’s “military-civilian administration,” did say that similar checks of the residents’ phones will be done by the police across the region.

https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/10/27...yiv-propaganda

[harrybarracuda]

We have to examine all points of view and on that basis form an unbiased opinion. If all we do is soak up the sanitized western version we will be unable to see the full picture. We have to be students not followers.

Propaganda is not a "point of view". It's a deliberate attempt to mislead.

The West has free press. You can choose if you want sanitised or unsanitised versions, and there are plenty of the latter that tell the truth.

[bsnub]

Worth watching

It is complete crap. You stopped posting in here when Russia started losing the war, and you are still trying to push the same crap.

Propaganda is not a "point of view". It's a deliberate attempt to mislead.

These useful idiots will never understand something that is so simple for most of us to understand.

[bsnub]

Inside Russia’s Military Collapse...



What Sabang doesn't want you to see.

[panama hat]

What Sabang doesn't want you to see.

He won't watch as it's 'MSM pollution' as per the Trump playbook.


How sad to see people treated with such disdain . . . I still don't understand where one of the world's largest armies is hiding and needs to conscript untrained civilians and send them to fight with nothing. Russians . . . won't be an uprising as Putin has it all locked down with his KGB-thug tactics . . . but that's just more MSM crap, right?

[bsnub]

How sad to see people treated with such disdain . . . I still don't understand where one of the world's largest armies is hiding and needs to conscript untrained civilians and send them to fight with nothing.

Like these sorry bastards...



This is also an excellent watch about a NATO surveillance plane...

[HermantheGerman]

Hey Sabang, please post something.
It's Friday morning and I need a good laugh.

Thank you

[panama hat]

[sabang]

Hey Sabang, please post something.

Sure!


The Growing Chorus for Peace in Ukraine


..... If you’re on a media diet of the thin gruel that passes for news in America these days, you may not have heard the calls for peace from UN Secretary General Guterres, Pope Francis or the leaders of 66 countries speaking at the UN General Assembly in September, representing the majority of the world’s population.

But there are also Americans calling for peace. From across the political spectrum, from retired military officers and diplomats to journalists and academics, there are “adults in the room” who recognize the dangerous contradictions of U.S. policy on Ukraine, and are joining leaders from around the world in calling for diplomacy and peace.
Image: Jack F Matlock, Jr., U.S. Ambassador to USSR and Czechoslovakia (Licensed under the Public Domain)

Jack Matlock served as the last U.S. Ambassador to the Soviet Union, from 1987 to 1991, after a 35-year career as a Soviet specialist in the U.S. Foreign Service. Matlock was at the embassy in Moscow during the Cuban missile crisis, where he translated critical messages between Kennedy and Kruschev.

On October 17, 2022, in an article in Responsible Statecraft titled “Why the US must press for a ceasefire in Ukraine,” Ambassador Matlock wrote that as principal arms supplier to Ukraine and the sponsor of the most punitive sanctions on Russia, the United States “is obligated to help find a way out” of this crisis. The article concluded, “Until… the fighting stops, and serious negotiations get underway, the world is headed for an outcome where we all are losers.

”Another veteran U.S. diplomat who has spoken out for diplomacy over Ukraine is Rose Gottemoeller, the Deputy Secretary General of NATO from 2016 to 2019 after she served as President Obama’s senior adviser on arms control, disarmament and nonproliferation. Gottemoeller recently wrote in the Financial Times that she sees no military solution to the crisis in Ukraine, but that “discreet talks” could lead to the kind of “quiet bargain” that resolved the Cuban missile crisis 60 years ago.

On the military side, Admiral Mike Mullen was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 2007 to 2011. After President Biden chatted at a fundraising party about the war in Ukraine leading to nuclear “Armageddon,” ABC interviewed Mullen about the danger of nuclear war.“I think we need to back off that a little bit and do everything we possibly can to get to the table to resolve this thing,” Mullen replied. “It’s got to end, and usually there are negotiations associated with that. The sooner the better as far as I’m concerned.

”Economist Jeffrey Sachs was the director of the Earth Institute and now the Center for Sustainable Development at Columbia University. He has been a consistent voice for peace in Ukraine ever since the invasion. In a recent article on September 26, titled “The Great Game in Ukraine is Spinning out of Control,” Sachs quoted President Kennedy in June 1963, uttering what Sachs called “the essential truth that can keep us alive today:”“Above all, while defending our own vital interests, nuclear powers must avert those confrontations which bring an adversary to a choice of either a humiliating retreat or a nuclear war,” said JFK. “To adopt that kind of course in the nuclear age would be evidence only of the bankruptcy of our policy–or of a collective death-wish for the world.

”Sachs concluded,“It is urgent to return to the draft peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine of late March, based on the non-enlargement of NATO… The world’s very survival depends on prudence, diplomacy, and compromise by all sides.

”Even Henry Kissinger, whose own war crimes are well documented, has spoken out on the senselessness of current U.S. policy. Kissinger told the Wall Street Journal in August,

“We are at the edge of war with Russia and China on issues which we partly created, without any concept of how this is going to end or what it’s supposed to lead to.

”In the U.S. Congress, after every single Democrat voted for a virtual blank check for arming Ukraine in May, with no provision for peacemaking, Progressive Caucus leader Pramila Jayapal and 29 other progressive Democratic Representatives recently signed a letter to President Biden, urging him to “make vigorous diplomatic efforts in support of a negotiated settlement and ceasefire, engage in direct talks with Russia, explore prospects for a new European security arrangement acceptable to all parties that will allow for a sovereign and independent Ukraine, and, in coordination with our Ukrainian partners, seek a rapid end to the conflict and reiterate this goal as America’s chief priority.

”Unfortunately, the backlash within their own party was so blistering that within 24 hours they withdrew the letter. Siding with calls for peace and diplomacy from all over the world is still not an idea whose time has come in the halls of power in Washington DC.

This is an extremely dangerous moment in history. Americans are waking up to the reality that this war threatens us with the existential danger of nuclear war, a danger most Americans thought we had survived once and for all at the end of the First Cold War. Even if we manage to avoid nuclear war, the impact of a long, bloody war will destroy Ukraine and kill millions of Ukrainians, cause humanitarian catastrophes across the Global South, and trigger a long-lasting global economic crisis.

That will relegate all humanity’s urgent priorities, from tackling the climate crisis to hunger, poverty and disease, to the back-burner for the foreseeable future.

There is an alternative. We can and must resolve this conflict through peaceful diplomacy and negotiation, to end the killing and destruction and let the people of Ukraine live in peace.

FULL- https://www.globalresearch.ca/growin...kraine/5797335

[sabang]

So is his . . . the solution . . . don't fucking invade anyone, Russian apes

Is this just a Russian thang, or does the same thing apply to the Americans?

[bsnub]

Is this just a Russian thang, or does the same thing apply to the Americans?

Oh, look it is the moron who has no response, so he resorts to a pathetic whataboutism. You really are pathetic bozo.

[bsnub]

Sure!

globalresearch.ca

Nice shit source.

Centre for Research on Globalization

"Globalresearch.ca" redirects here. Not to be confused with Global News or GlobalSecurity.org.

In 2001, Chossudovsky founded the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG), becoming its director and the editor of its online resource, Global Research. Located in Montreal, Quebec, Canada, the CRG describes itself as an "independent research and media organization" providing "analysis on issues which are barely covered by the mainstream media".^[5][19]

The Centre for Research on Globalization promotes conspiracy theories and falsehoods.^[26] According to Peter Knight, it "published influential early articles alleging that the U.S. intelligence agencies had far more forewarning than they claimed" of the September 11 attacks.^[27] that the United States and its allies fund al-Qaeda and the Islamic State, and that sarin gas was not used in the Khan Shaykhun chemical attack, which globalresearch.ca articles characterized as a false flag operation orchestrated by terrorists opposed to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.^[12][20] Other articles published on the site have asserted that the 7 July 2005 London bombings were perpetrated by the United States, Israel, and United Kingdom.^[10] Chossudovsky has himself posted articles on the site which suggested that Osama bin Laden was a CIA asset, and accusing the United States, Israel and Britain of plotting to conquer the world.^[10] The Centre has also promoted the Irish slavery myth, prompting a letter by more than 80 scholars debunking the myth.^[25]

According to PolitiFact, the Centre "has advanced specious conspiracy theories on topics like 9/11, vaccines and global warming."^[21] Foreign Policy magazine has commented that the Centre "sells books and videos that 'expose' how the September 11 terrorist attacks were 'most likely a special covert action' to 'further the goals of corporate globalization.'"^[22] A 2010 study categorized the website as a source of anti-vaccine misinformation.^[23] The Atlantic Council's Digital Forensic Research Lab described it as "pro-Putin and anti-NATO".^[28] The Jewish Tribune, citing a complaint from B'nai Brith Canada, describing the website as being "rife with anti-Jewish conspiracy theory and Holocaust denial."^[29] Writing for The New Republic in 2013, Muhammad Idrees Ahmad, lecturer in digital journalism at the University of Stirling, describes the Centre's website as a "conspiracy site".^[24]

In November 2017, The Globe and Mail reported that the Centre's website was "in the sights" of NATO information warfare specialists investigating "the online spread of pro-Russia propaganda and of disinformation." According to the Globe, NATO's Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence (StratCom) believed that the site was playing a "key accelerant role in helping popularize articles with little basis in fact that also happen to fit the narratives being pushed by the Kremlin" and the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad. The report described the site as an "online refuge for conspiracy theorists" and suggested that NATO specialists viewed it as "a link in a concerted effort to undermine the credibility of mainstream Western media—as well as the North American and European public's trust in government and public institutions."^[12] Asked to comment on the report, Chossudovsky responded through his lawyer, saying that the Centre did not have ties to pro-Russia or pro-Assad networks, was not "affiliated with governmental organizations" and did not benefit from their support.^[12]

An August 2020 report by the U.S. State Department Global Engagement Center stated that Global Research is, by a significant margin, the most accessed proxy website allied with the pro-Kremlin disinformation campaign. By the estimation of report's authors, it has accumulated 12.4 million page views, with around 351,247 readers for each article. Chossudovsky is a board member of other pro-Russian websites which attempt to spread conspiracy theories.^[13] Responding via his lawyer, this time to CBC News, Chossudovsky again denied the 2020 accusations made against him.^[5]

The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation reports that his Global Research website functions as a conduit for Russian-linked disinformation. ^[30]

The CRG has been accused of spreading Chinese propaganda.^[31][32] An article on Global Research making the false assertion that the coronavirus pandemic was not real was carried by 70 other outlets, according to the August 2020 State department report.^[13] Chossudovsky himself has described it as being a "manufactured pandemic".^[5] Earlier in 2020, his list of 10 questions was tweeted by the foreign minister of Iran. They included the claim that the United States government was responsible for the international coronavirus pandemic.^[33] Global Research published an article entitled "COVID-19: Further Evidence that the Virus Originated in the US" was posted on social media by a senior official in the Chinese foreign ministry.^[32][34][35] Chinese state media have reported such unfounded speculation which has been carried by Chossudovsky's website with, according to The Globe and Mail, misattributed sources.^[35] Reportedly, the two articles on this theme have since been removed from the globalresearch.ca website.^[36]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky