Ukraine war mega thread

[harrybarracuda]

Under pressure, progressives retract call for diplomacy in Ukraine

Of course they did, because they realised how fucking stupid they sound.

You're the sort of inveterate, subservient brown noser who would have wanted Hitler to "negotiate" to stop invading at the Channel and keep everything he'd taken.

[helge]

An outright lie. Ukraine has no current mobilization

Ok ?

Some slip up even for an armchair army expert.

But as always you have to dig the hole as deep as possible

Literally everything that clown says is a total fabrication.

Clearly you missed my last post when I spoke about validating your sources. Something you clearly do not do. Basically, you fling whatever shit you can against the wall and hope it will stick.

That's what makes you so entertaining and..........embarrasing to watch.

[Hugh Cow]

I am at a loss why you would publish someone whose ideas have mostly been discredited. There was never any way forward for negotiation when you have one power invading another country. there can only be complete withdrawal or ukraine giving up territory to Russia. In other words reward the invader. If we assume Ukraine gives up territory in return for peace, what else will Russia demand? A promise of neutrality? What guarantees can Russia give as far as the rest of Ukraine? Another treaty like 1991 where Russia recognised Ukraine and its border integrity? How can a country that continually breaks treaties be trusted. Is the Ukraine supposed to walk away from the war crimes and the huge destruction of its territory with no compensation? Why is russia so afraid of an organisation that cannot attack unless attacked first? This is not about NATO it is about Russian imperial influence in the region and how a dictator views his country as an imperial power. Russian world influence is finished Putins actions have seen to that. The west is not going to allow Putin to expand his influence. He was a murdering dictator way before Ukraine and must be finally stopped. Russia can never again be allowed such influence.

[HermantheGerman]

The Asov sea is very little salty due to the flow from the rivers flowing in there.
Because of me being in the generous corner, I admitted that some salt water could flow in there.
Honestly I have no idea.

Crimea bridge is falling down..falling down..falling down Crimea bridge is...

The Crimean Bridge is not the first attempt to connect Crimea to mainland Russia. The first bridge over the Kerch Strait was built under Stalin. However, just a few months after commissioning, drift ice caused the bridge to collapse. After the Second World War, new bridge concepts were developed - with two levels for road and rail traffic. However, after installing the first pier foundations, it became clear that the supports were not sufficiently strong. The project was put on hold again.It is rumored that the new bridge cannot bear the loads of the trains.

Yuri Medovar, a lecturer in geological and mineralogical sciences at the Russian Academy of Sciences, is also convinced of this. He fears that the bridge could sink under the heavy loads. "The fact is that the Kerch Peninsula is rich in karst," he told radio station Krim.Realii, an offshoot of the US Congress-funded radio group Radio Free Europe. Karst refers to subterranean landforms in carbonate rocks that are very porous. "Some time ago a railway tunnel collapsed on the Kerch side, killing a worker," Medovar recalled an incident from last September. But nobody would dare to tell Putin that the tunnel collapsed because the ground had caved in.

[helge]

If we assume Ukraine gives up territory in return for peace, what else will Russia demand? A promise of neutrality? What guarantees can Russia give as far as the rest of Ukraine? Another treaty like 1991 where Russia recognised Ukraine and its border integrity? How can a country that continually breaks treaties be trusted.

When countries start to abuse their minorities, all deals are off.

If you think that the ukrainian nationalists are pure as newly fallen snow, I understand what you are saying, but they are not.

[harrybarracuda]

When countries start to abuse their minorities, all deals are off.

If you think that the ukrainian nationalists are pure as newly fallen snow, I understand what you are saying, but they are not.

WTF has that shit got to do with what he said?

Nothing.

No Russians, bar a few nutters, were complaining about living in Ukraine until Putin started stirring up the shit.

[bsnub]

That's what makes you so entertaining and..........embarrasing to watch.

I read somewhere that Ukraine has stopped mobilizing as it had met its recruiting targets. With regard to the tactical commentary of that article, it is complete bullshit. From the article...

Ukraine is now staring down the barrel (heh heh) of a serious shortage of conventional tube artillery. Earlier in the summer, the United States donated 155mm howitzers, but with stockpiles of both guns and shells dwindling, they’ve recently been forced to turn to lower caliber towed trash. After the announcement of yet another aid tranche on September 28th, the USA has now put together five consecutive packages which do not contain any conventional 155mm shells.

In effect, the effort to keep Ukraine’s artillery arm functioning has gone through a few phases. In the first phase, Warsaw Pact stockpiles of Soviet shells were drained to supply Ukraine’s existing guns. In the second phase, Ukraine was given mid-level western capabilities, especially the 155mm howitzer. Now that 155mm shells are running low, Ukraine has to make do with 105mm guns which are badly outranged by Russian howitzers and will be, in a word, doomed in any kind of counterbattery action.

Bullshit and utterly laughable. Almost all the M777 are fully intact and operational, and US counter battery is light years better than the Russians. So both those paragraphs are utterly laughable.

Contents of the most recent aid package...

• Additional ammunition for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS);
• 23,000 155mm artillery rounds;
• 500 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds;
• 5,000 155mm rounds of Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) Systems;
• 5,000 anti-tank weapons;
• High-speed Anti-radiation missiles (HARMs);
• More than 200 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs);
• Small arms and more than 2,000,000 rounds of small arms ammunition;
• Medical supplies.

This announcement follows Secretary of Defense A

$725 Million in Additional Security Assistance for Ukraine > U.S. Department of Defense > Release



Literally everything in that propaganda piece is pure fantasy.

That's what makes you so entertaining and..........embarrasing to watch.

Literally every post you make is an absurdity. I will be laughing about your Kerch Bridge comment for some time. You really made yourself out to be the fool there.

[bsnub]

It is a multimedia article, so you will need to click the link, but it is well worth it...

Abandoned Russian base holds secrets of retreat in Ukraine

[bsnub]

When countries start to abuse their minorities, all deals are off.

Surely you are referencing the Crimean Tartars post the 2014 Russian occupation? Or are you talking about the Chechen's? Dagestan? You do not do well with history or geography, apparently. Did you ever hear of something called the Holodomor?

Surely you would not be so naive and brainwashed to be implying that Ukraine is somehow abusing some "minority". You really are a massive hypocrite. Yet you imply that my posts are embarrassing.

[helge]

Surely you would not be so naive and brainwashed to be implying that Ukraine is somehow abusing some "minority"

?

Surely you are joking now.

Nobody can be in such a state of denial.


That you aren't allowed to talk about it, doesn't have to stop me.

[bsnub]

Surely you are joking now.

Am I?

Nobody can be in such a state of denial.

The denial that none of the referendumbs since 2014 have a shred of credibility? A state of denial that most of the south wants to stay in Ukraine? They prove it almost every day by killing Russian appointed puppets.

That you aren't allowed to talk about it, doesn't have to stop me.

Are you nuts? Post something credible to the contrary. The DPR and LPR are puppet states propped up by Russia and total criminal enterprises full of scum. The ragtag "militias" from there are responsible for some of the worst war crimes.

I just find it laughable that you can even attempt to mount an argument that it is the Ukrainians that are abusing anybody. Utterly laughable. The Russians couldn't care less about the Russian speakers in the east of Ukraine, in fact they have been massacring them in mass, shelling their cities and villages to the ground, raping, pillaging and torturing those RUSSIAN SPEAKERS you fucking idiot.

It is not even a close comparison. In fact, it is utterly absurd.

[helge]

Are you nuts? Post something credible to the contrary. The DPR and LPR are puppet states propped up by Russia and total criminal enterprises full of scum. The ragtag "militias" from there are responsible for some of the worst war crimes.

I just find it laughable that you can even attempt to mount an argument that it is the Ukrainians that are abusing anybody. Utterly laughable. The Russians couldn't care less about the Russian speakers in the east of Ukraine, in fact they have been massacring them in mass, shelling their cities and villages to the ground raping, pillaging and torturing RUSSIAN SPEAKERS you fucking idiot.

Polishing the ukrainian halo again ?

So lovely that angels exist in your tiny universe.



Good for all, that your kind of hate speech won't be present at the final round at negotiation table, which seems to be invitable.

[sabang]

Oh you know the way the Propaganda goes for these simpletons helge. Ukraine is a shining beacon of democracy, social and ethnic harmony- and Zelensky is an enlightened leader who we all have to back to the hilt (with our wallets) because the USA says so (oh, and we have to buy more of their weapons and expensive gas too. Freedom isn't free).

Conversely, Russia is a Communist dictatorship that has attacked Ukraine with No Provocation, and Putin is a Dictator like Adolf Hitler (just like every other declared enemy of the US before that). It must be true, because you read it in the papers. The four Provinces that have voted to reunite with Russia via Referendum is clearly a Lie, as the 90% vote testifies. Every atrocity is committed by Russia, not Ukraine- brave patriots like the Azov battalion, Right Sector and Kraken are as pure as the driven snow. We need to liberate these poor Ukrainians- just like we did Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan before that.

Blah, blah, blah. Don't listen to that Commie propaganda.

[helge]

No one is impartial in this conflict. You are either on the side of the righteous, or you are on the side of the genocidal mass murderer. To be an appeaser is to be complicit with genocide. Pure and simple.

I know that you post this simple view to avoid getting dizzy, but it is actually interesting.

Right out of Dick Cheney's line of thought.


However; there must be millions of people round the world, who would protest your claim of them being in bed with Saddam Hussein, because of their opposition to the Iraq war.

Haven't I read somewhere that ......you were opposed to this operation ?



Another one:

Vietnam's invasion of Kampuchea in.....78.

I wholeheartedly supported this one.

Getting rid of Pol Pot was absolutely necessary.


The west (incl my own country) and....China found it an atrocity, sanctioned Vietnam and year after year voted pro Khmer Rouge in the UN, even when Pol Pot

only held some border strips on the thai border (and had camps inside Thailand).


So take your picks.

Politics is a dirty game

[helge]

Ukraine is a shining beacon of democracy, social and racial harmony- and Zelensky is an enlightened leade

Yes
It isn't exactly the burden of reality, which is weighing them down

[russellsimpson]

Oh you know the way the Propaganda goes for these simpletons helge.

Helge knows well..

The boneheads keep contributing shit.

Solid post Sabang.

[sabang]

At least they ain't lying about one thing. Russia does indeed have Weapons of Mass Destruction.

[russellsimpson]

I believe there is almost zero chance that Russia would use a nuke. I have found these scatterings of reports attributed to Russian individuals saying they would to be spurious at best. In terms of a 'dirty bomb' I think the Ukrainians would be far more likely to employ such a creature. Snubby provides good coverage of the war from the 'western side', Harry is full of hot air. at least helps keep the place heated.

Another couple of hundred posts and we hit 10,000. Are celebrations planned. Perhaps BS, the thread starter could be the keynote speaker.

[russellsimpson]

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Why are you so gullible?

[russellsimpson]

Zero idea what you're on about Switch.

Still, points for trying with such limited resources.

[helge]

Switch has his 'Biden moments'.

[panama hat]

And who suffers . . . because of the invasion?

[sabang]

“We are requesting new rounds all the time that have longer range and more explosiveness,” said one Ukrainian military official.


OCTOBER 26, 2022, 5:49 PM

Ukraine is pushing the United States to send artillery-launched mines and short-range air defenses that can intercept Iranian-made drones, as ammunition supplies coming from the West continue to dwindle, according to three congressional aides and two Ukrainian officials familiar with the matter.

As Russia’s eastern and southern offensives stalled, and then went into reverse, Iranian-supplied drones have given Russia a temporary leg up in the battle of munitions by providing a cheap way to chip away at encroaching Ukrainian forces.

Ukrainian officials have been pushing for so-called dual-purpose improved conventional munitions, or DPICMs, for the past month—a form of cluster munitions that are designed to burst into scores of smaller submunitions to destroy mobile targets such as tanks or unsuspecting troops—as well as European-made equivalents. The United States is currently barred from exporting these systems.

Ukrainian officials are keen to acquire the explosive weapons to reduce wear and tear to NATO-standard artillery cannons, one of a handful of new requests for U.S. and European shells and air defense systems in recent weeks. Ukraine is also pushing for the United States to send the truck-launched Avenger air defense system used by the U.S. Army to handle the surge of Iranian Shahed-136 drones, according to two congressional aides and a Ukrainian military official, among a handful of new requests.

“We are requesting new rounds all the time that have longer range and more explosiveness,” said one Ukrainian military official, speaking on condition of anonymity to talk candidly about ongoing requests. “We need them to destroy Russian fortifications on our territory.”

The requests, which Ukrainian officials began making to their U.S. counterparts a month ago, have become more urgent as NATO stocks of Soviet-era 152 mm artillery have dwindled to almost zero, leaving Ukrainian troops more dependent on alliance-standard 155 mm howitzer artillery pieces to fight off the Russian advance. But only 30 percent of Ukraine’s artillery inventory is NATO-standard, and the intensity of recent artillery exchanges with Russian soldiers has raised concerns from Ukrainian officials about the lifespan of the new 155 mm cannons, which are already seeing increased wear and tear. That’s why they want the shells they fire to hit harder; the explosive rounds can be up to five times more powerful than a normal round.

Sasha Ustinova, a Ukrainian lawmaker, said Ukrainian officials had also requested BONUS cluster rounds, made by Sweden’s Bofors and France’s Nexter, which can be fired from NATO-standard artillery pieces to take out armored vehicles, and the Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb, developed by Boeing and the automaker Saab. Ukraine has also been asking for the Swedish-made Archer artillery system, another 155 mm howitzer gun that is mounted on the frame of a Volvo all-terrain vehicle.

Neither the U.S. National Security Council nor the U.S. State Department immediately responded to Foreign Policy’s requests for comment. The Swedish Embassy in Washington declined to comment on Ukraine’s specific weapons requests.

“Sweden appears to have tons of the weapons that we need,” Ustinova said.

The holdup on cluster munitions is causing headaches on Capitol Hill, where some lawmakers and aides are worried that the Biden administration still isn’t giving Ukraine the right weapons to finish the job as the conflict heads toward the nine-month mark. “These cluster munitions were literally designed specifically with Soviet advantages in artillery tubes in mind,” said one congressional aide familiar with the request. “The Ukrainians are saying, ‘You have these weapons purpose-built for the type of threat we’re facing—why can’t we have them?’”

U.S. Defense Department spokesperson Lt. Col. Garron Garn said the agency would not comment on specific Ukrainian weapons requests but said U.S. support “focuses on equipment that is relevant for the current fight.”

Ukraine Says It Needs More Guns, Shells, and Firepower

[bsnub]

Good for all, that your kind of hate speech won't be present at the final round at negotiation table, which seems to be invitable.

Hate speech?



You have finally outed yourself as a full-fledged propagandized loon on the same level as TD's other stooges. I barely even had to pick the scab to drive you out into the open. What an utter clown.

Conversely, Russia is a Communist dictatorship that has attacked Ukraine with No Provocation

Well, that is obvious to anyone who does not have his head buried up the RT/ITAR/TASS propaganda asshole.

Putin is a Dictator like Adolf Hitler

Once again, you are spot on. Surely you would not be stupid enough to think there are free and fair elections in the world's largest kleptocracy. Putin is the world's most powerful mob boss.

The four Provinces that have voted to reunite with Russia via Referendum is clearly a Lie, as the 90% vote testifies.

Completely a lie and the entire world aside from a few shitholes agree that there was no free vote and that it was a shame. I agree with you, anyone that would think those were credible referendums would have to be the biggest fucking idiot on the planet.

Right out of Dick Cheney's line of thought.

I despise Dick Cheney and my view could not be further from his. Once again, you dial up stupid.

The boneheads keep contributing shit.

Says one of TD's biggest idiots. You are a pathetic little groveling coat tail rider.