Ukraine war mega thread

[misskit]

RT Host Suspended for Calls to ‘Drown, Burn’ Ukrainian Children

A host at Russia’s state-funded broadcaster RT was suspended Sunday after he made calls on the air to “drown or burn” Ukrainian children who viewed Soviet Russia as an occupier.


Anton Krasovsky’s remarks on his RT show broadcast Thursday sparked widespread outrage over the weekend. Ukraine’s Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba accused the Kremlin-controlled channel of “aggressive genocide incitement” and advocated for a global ban of RT.

Krasovsky, a pro-war presenter under EU sanctions, said Ukrainian children should be “thrown straight into a river with a strong current” or “burned in a hut” for calling Russians occupiers.


His comments came in response to an account by his guest, Russian science fiction author Sergei Lukyanenko, of his encounter with anti-Russian children during his visit to Ukraine in the 1980s.


The segment containing Krasovsky’s remarks has since been deleted from RT’s social media accounts.


RT’s editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan distanced the broadcaster from Krasovsky’s “disgusting” comments and said she was “stopping our collaboration for the moment.”


“Perhaps Anton will explain what temporary insanity caused” the controversial statement, Simonyan wrote on the Telegram messaging service.


Krasovsky later issued an apology, saying early Monday that he “got carried away on the air.”


“I apologize to everyone who was freaked out, I apologize to Margarita, to everyone who thought [the comments] wild, unthinkable and insurmountable,” he wrote on Russia’s VKontakte social network.


Simonyan’s rare punishment of an on-air personality for remarks on Ukraine stands in contrast to regular anti-Ukrainian rhetoric on Russian state television.


Russia’s top investigative body, the Investigative Committee, said Monday that its chairman Alexander Bastrykin has ordered a report into Krasovsky’s statements after receiving a complaint from an online user.


Kremlin-controlled broadcasters including RT actively support Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and echo the Kremlin’s denials of war crimes.

VIDEO RT Host Suspended for Calls to ‘Drown, Burn’ Ukrainian Children - The Moscow Times

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Russian military leadership in the occupied city of Kherson have fled across the Dnieper River, leaving behind new Russian recruits to try and stall the Ukraine military's push to recapture the city, a Washington-based think tank says.

"Using such inexperienced forces to conduct a delaying action could prompt a Russian rout if Ukrainian forces choose to press the attack," the Institute for the Study of War says in its latest assessment of the war.

The institute says that at least one Russian war blogger noted the situation in Kherson is dire for frontline Russian troops who could find it ”virtually impossible” to evacuate. How to get those troops out and how to explain the flight from Kherson – which the Kremlin says it has annexed – to the Russian populace remain crucial issues for Russian leadership, the assessment says.
The Russian Kherson Occupation Administration announced Saturday that “all citizens of Kherson must immediately leave the city.” Russia is likely trying to depopulate parts of the region that Ukraine will recapture, damaging the long-term social and economic viability of southern Ukraine, the assessment says.

Ukraine war updates: Russian forces could face 'rout' in Kherson

Shoigu’s calls—and Russian state media’s amplification of false dirty bomb threats—are therefore likely intended to intimidate Western states into cutting or limiting support for Ukraine as Russia faces continued military setbacks and the likely loss of western Kherson by the end of the year. ISW has assessed since May that Putin seeks to force Ukraine to accept his terms and deter continued Western support for Ukraine through nuclear brinksmanship.[8] The recipients of Shoigu’s calls are also notable. The Kremlin has repeatedly framed the United States and the United Kingdom as Ukraine’s primary backers and the enablers of what it claims are aggressive policies toward Russia, while France and Turkey have (to varying degrees) framed themselves as mediators in the conflict. Shoigu’s round of calls was likely further Russian saber-rattling to intimidate Ukraine’s Western supporters and possibly widen fissures within the NATO alliance, not condition setting for imminent nuclear use.

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, October 23 | Institute for the Study of War

[helge]

It kind of kicks the shit out of Zelenski's blustering as well.

Yeah
And he is dwarfish like Putin and a lot of other assholes.

Surely there must be some inferiority complex involved.

What a comeback!

Are you ok, Snobby ?

You didn't call me a cocksucker.

It's in your manifest

I'm not" slagging off" anybody. Zelensky, imo, is one of those potential megalomaniacs whose needs the occassional slap down.

Ohh Helge, why don't you just shut the fuck up.

Oi.

If you want me to, and I know you do, toe the party line, then please tell me what I'm allowed to say.

You Edel-Polakken used to be good at that.


Is it time for a few book burnings ?

Or maybe wait for more chillier times ?

[harrybarracuda]

RT Host Suspended for Calls to ‘Drown, Burn’ Ukrainian Children

They only did that because they're afraid a few more countries might block their shitty propaganda channel.

[OhOh]

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Unbiased opinions available from them?

[helge]

Unbiased opinions available from them?

There are no such thing as 'unbiased opinions'.

Mine are close, but still....

[harrybarracuda]

Unbiased opinions available from them?

They're not controlled by chinky or russian dictators.

Are you stupid?

[panama hat]

RT Host Suspended for Calls to ‘Drown, Burn’ Ukrainian Children

A host at Russia’s state-funded broadcaster RT was suspended Sunday after he made calls on the air to “drown or burn” Ukrainian children who viewed Soviet Russia as an occupier.

Isn't this guy an idol for sme of our posters?

Zelensky, imo, is one of those potential megalomaniacs whose needs the occassional slap down.

Considering he did not invade another country, is defending his own . . . and your 'slap-down' includes the murder of countless thousands . . . I find your remark tasteless

[Norton]

There are no such thing as 'unbiased opinions'.

Mine are close, but still....

Indeed. Unfortunately seeing far to many facts based on opinion these days.

[russellsimpson]

Folks whose minds are still locked into some kind of zero sum game psychology are responsible for most of the suffering we find in todays world.

Nobody's hands are clean when it comes to the trajedy that is now Ukraine, and I include our dear friend Zelenski in that statement. Are we to believe that Zelenski was in no way responsible for attacking the rights of Russian speakers in the eastern districts? This war could easily have been avoided had both sides been willing to engage in positive diplomatic engagement. Let's hope for a diplomatic breakthrough in the near future.

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This war could easily have been avoided had both sides been willing to engage in positive diplomatic engagement.

Why is it that it is always the fucking idiotic Russian apologists who constantly blather on with this utter idiocy? Ukraine should surrender for the good of the world, Ukraine should just let Russia take over and every man should hand over his wife and daughters to the Russians for world peace! Blah Blah Blah!

What a pathetic bunch of buffoons you lot are. Every diplomatic effort was made to avert this war, and it is clearly documented. The efforts were rebuffed by Putin, who was determined to start this war. Anyone who claims otherwise is either remarkably naive, stupid, or both.

I am not surprised that it is always the same handful of clowns who repeat this idiocy over and over again.

[panama hat]

This war could easily have been avoided had both sides been willing to engage in positive diplomatic engagement.

How about 'this invasion could have been avoided had Russia not invaded a militarily vastly outgunned and non-threatening country'.

[sabang]

Why is it that it is always the fucking idiotic Russian apologists who constantly blather on with this utter idiocy?

Because it is the Truth. This war could have been easily avoided "with the simple application of common sense"- and now look at the price being paid. You just can't bring yourself to admit there is more than one party at fault here.

[panama hat]

Here's a question for you, sabang . . . you witter on about how this could all have been avoided yet leave out one particular line of pure logic: by not invading. Anything else is simply vapid horseshit from you and your brethren.

[bsnub]

Because it is the Truth. This war could have been easily avoided "with the simple application of common sense"

If you had one shred of common sense, you would realize how much of an idiot you sound like. You are the last person on this forum that anyone should listen to regarding Ukraine, as you have literally been wrong about everything, starting with the fact that you swore that this war would never happen.

Stop repeating yourself dippy, your shit narrative has been debunked countless times. Once again, the stooges attempt to distract from battlefield losses.

[sabang]

^^ Sure, I've already said- Putin bears his share of the responsibility. As Chomsky put it the war was "provoked, but not justified". Calling it an unprovoked invasion is just laughable.

^ Read this (but it's above your head). Anyway, intelligent readers probably will-


U.S. INTELLIGENCE SAYS PUTIN MADE A LAST-MINUTE DECISION TO INVADE UKRAINE

The U.S. likely relied in part on intercepted communications among senior Russian government and military officials.

https://theintercept.com/2022/03/11/...-intelligence/

[bsnub]

As Chomsky put it the war was "provoked, but not justified". Calling it an unprovoked invasion is just laughable.

Once again wheeling out your clown car of ultracrepidarians for like, what, the thousandth time? The only thing laughable is a useful idiot like yourself spewing total horseshit.

[sabang]

You are the Laughing Clown, NAFO (NAZO?) troll. Intelligent readers can certainly decide for themselves, but anyone who calls this an unprovoked invasion is either totally ignorant of the background and lead-up to the situation, or just plain lacking in intelligence. Or maybe just a disingenuous shitposter like yourself.

[docmartin]

Yeah Putin really cares for all people and their pink fluffy bunnies.
Invading Ukraine’s east just happened to snap up the more valuable bits. Pure coincidence.
Nothing to see here.

[Norton]

Intelligent readers can certainly decide for themselves, but anyone who calls this an unprovoked invasion is either totally ignorant of the background and lead-up to the situation

All wars are provoked Sab. The leader/s of any nation must show provocation to justify and compel folks to go off and die to right the provocation against them.

In this case the stated provocation was the invasion of certain areas of the Ukraine to liberate "Russians" from horrid human rights atrocities being commited by the Ukraine gov. Additionally we have this tried and trued provocation. The Ukrainian threat to the national security of Russia.

No doubt there are incidents against Russian speaking Ukrainians but in this semi intelligent posters opinion, not near enough to justify invasion of the Ukraine.

The Ukraine a threat to Russian national security? ......

[sabang]

No attempt was made to honor (UKR) or enforce/ police (EU & State) the Minsk Accords- a workable peace agreement. Even though the EU had guaranteed it.
Civil war had been ongoing since 2015
No real attempt was made to rein in the Far Right elements in the Ukrainian government- in fact they openly threatened both Zelensky and chocboy fat with assassination.
Far Right militia's (not regular Army) were at least partially being armed, trained and funded by the US, UK & Canada.
Those Pentagon funded biolabs
Total diplomatic stonewalling of Russia's repeatedly expressed concerns about Nato expansion, and Ukraine crossing a red line.
And of course the fact that Donbas, in particular, is basically ethnically Russian.

Putler could have played the Russian card alone and got them marching to war, like any seasoned populist. But if only those Minsk Accords had been honoured, and policed.... there would be no war now. The fault for that does not lie with Putin alone, obviously. And at what cost? Not like it wasn't warned about, repeatedly, by several authoritative US foreign policy sources. Them pigheaded neocons again I tell ya- another disaster.

[sabang]

Handbook for NAFO-






Nothing new about it fellas.

[harrybarracuda]

Nothing new about it fellas.

You're such a moron you even edited a propaganda post to make it more propaganda-ish.

"Ponsonby incorrectly charged the British press as manufacturing stories that actually derived from various other sources including rumours, urban myths and German propaganda.

<snip>

"material from American isolationist sources, the British pacifist press and even from Germany is taken as truth, British official pronouncements and the British press are assumed to be lying. His book is not an inquiry into propaganda; it is propaganda, of the most passionate sort."

Adrian Gregory, The Last Great War: British Society and the First World War (New York: Cambridge University Press, 2009), p. 43.

And in the actual list from Morelli the first is:

1. We do not want war.

Which is a bit of a silly thing to say when you've invaded a sovereign nation for no reason.

[bsnub]

You're such a moron you even edited a propaganda post to make it more propaganda-ish.

An epic level moron who floods this forum full of shit. Anything to avert from any discussion about the actual war itself. A complete waste of space who should have most of his posts moved to the doghouse.

[sabang]

Putin- "We do not want war we are only defending Russian people from Nazi genocide."
Zelensky- "We do not want war, we are only defending the sacred territorial integrity of Ukraine from the invader".
That's the thing with Spin 'arry- it can be spun both ways.


^ Having fun shitposting snubby?