Ukraine war mega thread

[NamPikToot]

^ nope but he seems to be getting paid by the character

[OhOh]

Those conscripted during the mobilization are given everything they need in order to perform their duties, including uniforms, gear, etc. For this reason, additional purchases of different elements of the uniform, gear, medications, etc., are the conscript’s personal initiative, and no compensation is planned for such expenses

SOP for UK soldiers who want anything beyond the standard, military delivered "uniform, gear, medications, etc.".

One presumes the UK soldiers are available to receive free medications, if as supplied to all UK citizens for free.

Other countries may vary.

[helge]

Those who defend apologise or accommodate murderers are little better

Noble words

I have lived and worked in over 60 nations

Hopefully not provided any dictaturships with your services

Israel

Oh dear

[David48atTD]

Alternatively a video.

That was sensible up to about the 7 min mark up till the comment by Ritter that the recent mobilization of Russian civilians would change the war.

I stopped watching at that point.

But it's good to view a lot of different sources for the media and then make a valued judgement as it's it authenticity and bias

[helge]

But it's good to view a lot of different sources for the media and then make a valued judgement as it's it authenticity and bias

It is

Maybe it's even better not to watch any...source, cause it's all more or less biased

[David48atTD]

Russian logistics is just crap, they can't feed and arm the soldiers they already have let alone a bunch of forced conscripts.

You have to wonder if it is smart to add thousands of new conscripts to Kherson area and then be unable to feed them along with the regular forces. The competition for resources including food and winter clothing could get nasty. Unfortunately it might be civilians who end up suffering most.

I agree with these observations.

With all the bridges blown the several thousand Russian forces north of Kherson are trapped by the water to the right (east) and the counter attacks by Ukraine from the north and the west.

The only real option is a gradual retreat to the south, to Kherson.

But it will be a slow retreat because Russia has blown the bridges as it retreats and that slows the advance of then Ukrainian Military.

The dirt fields are still solid enough for tanks etc ... untill the Autumn rains come.


Russia has built large defense lines around Kherson and it's natural for the retreating Russian forces to hold up there.

But Winter is coming and Russian logistics have been shown to be crap.

Without supplies, the trapped troupes in Kherson will be cold and hungry.

Maybe they just surrender the City around December.


Kherson will be a slow death for everyone, troops and the poor civilians who are also trapped in the City.

There will be no Christmas in Kherson this year.

[sabang]

Usual ad hom trash. This is what passes for criticism with our bonehead contingent on TD. Jacques Baud is very astute, well worth reading. ��

^ So you hope. Time will tell. A trebling of the size of the Russian army operating in "Ukraine" does not seem such small beer to me.

[David48atTD]

^

Ukraine’s new offensive is fuelled by captured Russian equipment amid military advances in the eastern part of the country.

The weapons aiding Kyiv’s arsenal include abandoned Russian tanks, howitzers & infantry fighting vehicles.

The equipment is quickly scrubbed of Russia’s Z war symbol and repainted with Ukrainian crosses, per the Wall Street Journal.

[panama hat]

I think it is a pretty safe bet that as soon as Kherson has fallen, they will be coming for Crimea next.

The problem with Crimea is that it is majority ethnic Russian, even more so after the Russian annexation. Different kettle of fish.

[harrybarracuda]

The problem with Crimea is that it is majority ethnic Russian, even more so after the Russian annexation. Different kettle of fish.

It makes absolutely no difference. It's Ukraine's.

It would still be part of Ukraine if Putin hadn't invaded and annexed it.

[bsnub]

The problem with Crimea is that it is majority ethnic Russian, even more so after the Russian annexation.

That is why the Ukrainians will not blow the Kerch bridge. Yet. They need an exit route for all those Russians to fuck off back to Russia, where they belong.

[sabang]

Same sort of simian logic as "Yugoslavia is Yugoslavian". Another view:-


"The territory of Ukraine is a mosaic of other people’s lands. If we want to stop this insane war and ensure peace in Europe, instead of calling Russia’s sponsored referendum in Eastern Ukraine a sham, we should conduct an honest referendum in all the disputed territories under the auspices of the UN and let the people decide what government they want."

David Stockman

[bsnub]

Heh, given the choice between Zhuhai and a basement in grim Seattle

Project much? It fits your MO, after all. You will be pleased to know that the Ukrainians caught the Russians with their pants down again and attacked Shaykovka Air Base in the Kaluga Oblast, destroying two TU-22M3 strategic bombers. Sit back in your basement and think about that.



Ukrainian Kamikaze Drone Attacks Bomber Base Deep In Russia (Updated)

[Hugh Cow]

David Stockman doesnt get to make the rules. Ukrainian land is Ukraine and any separation can only be voted on by the whole Ukrainian population to be a legal referendum.

[harrybarracuda]

Same sort of simian logic as "Yugoslavia is Yugoslavian".

Yes, funnily enough that was also a shit pot of formerly invaded countries run by a despotic madman. Good call.

[harrybarracuda]

A Swiss army ex colonel. I'm sure he must've had loads of battlefield experience in the swiss army seeing as the last war they fought was between two Swiss kantons in 1847 with a staggering 100 casualties. It must've been a brutal war.

He must have good musket experience.

[bsnub]

David Stockman

Not that moron again.

The territory of Ukraine is a mosaic of other people’s lands.

More utter horseshit. Russia has been stacking the deck, importing loads of Russians into Crimea and the two occupied puppet states for years. They will soon be fucking off back where they belong.

[sabang]

any separation can only be voted on by the whole Ukrainian population to be a legal referendum.

Not like Scotland, Quebec, and Northern Ireland then? Or Yugoslavia.

[Hugh Cow]

That is why the Ukrainians will not blow the Kerch bridge. Yet. They need an exit route for all those Russians to fuck off back to Russia, where they belong.

I think that's pretty close to the truth. We saw the panic last time they blew up an airfield. Once Kherson is taken they will not be too long in getting to Crimea unless the rains slow progress. In any case they will be in range of Ukrainian artillery and I expect Russian logistics and military depots will be targeted in Crimea. That should cause further panic and mass migration over the bridge once the Russian civilians find out how bad their russian military protectors really are. No doubt this will come as a great shock when they see what is happening on the ground is light years away from their nightly dose of russian TV propaganda. The vulnerability of that bridge is such that the UMF can take it out at their leasure.

[sabang]

Ethnic cleansing. Noice. Is this your Final Solution?

[Hugh Cow]

Not like Scotland, Quebec, and Northern Ireland then? Or Yugoslavia.

Scotland has already had a referendum and Quebec even though it is only a province has had two and Yugoslavia has already separated into separate countries basically along ehnic regions, albeit not so peacefully. The Day will come for Northern Ireland one day. Most likely when there is overwhelming support.
Nice try at obfuscation though, but you're not in ohoh's class yet.

[David48atTD]

Ethnic cleansing.

I read nothing into what HC wrote above that implies 'Ethnic cleansing'

"mass migration over the bridge" is not my definition of Ethnic cleansing.

If they are Ukrainian Citizens I would presume they have a right to remain and reside in the country in which they are a national.

[pickel]

Ethnic cleansing. Noice. Is this your Final Solution?

Do you mean when Russia cleansed it of Tatars?

[bsnub]

Ethnic cleansing. Noice. Is this your Final Solution?

That is what your Russian buddies are engaging in with their filtration camps, Mass kidnappings of Ukrainian children and many other horrid crimes. Your utter hypocrisy is once again boiling over.

Nice try at obfuscation though

It is one of his specialties, along with a bad case of whataboutism.

[sabang]

You've gotta collective bad case of "Oh no, this is not Yugoslavianism". Course not, totally different. Only we can dictate borders. I advocate for the Peoples right of self determination, while you hypocritically call yourself democratic.

Free and fair Referenda would be, well, Free and Fair. Let the People decide.